What if Communism is the right way this entire time?

What if Communism is the right way this entire time?

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Please do some basic reading on the history of communism and then kill yourself

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what?

Then it would have worked the million times it's been done.

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>Then it would've worked the million times it was almost tried before capitalist governments shut it down before it could be enacted fearing nationalization of goods they wanted to extract for cheap

>Please do some basic reading on the history of communism and then kill yourself
Out of sadness for it's unfair treatment and the fact that it's image was used by capitalist countries to straight up slaughter people to secure cheap labor and resources??

Then we wouldn't have the historical data set we have today

Soviet Union didn't last long enough for you?

If your ideology is so weak it cannot stand up to subversion by other ideologies, then it just sucks as an ideology.

>Implying Stalin's Big Gulag Party wasn't the best thing ever

In all seriousness tho, Stalinism =/= Communism. I'm not saying Communism is the shit and is the right thing to do. But a large amount of other countries who wanted to try it got fuckin fucked so hard and I think that is sad.

Cuba did okay though, despite getting ass fucked for no reason by the embargo.

Bombing people and ideological subversion are not the same thing.
Also
>Anime poster

wait to the machines take over first

Living in an ex-communist country. Belive me its not.

>Cuba did okay though

Ah, yes, I forgot the utopia that is Cuba.

Cuban's hate communism. They are not allowed to voice it but its obvious when you visit.

It has only worked in small Christian communities. So communism doesn't work without Jesus.

>Out of sadness for it's unfair treatment
Yes you're correct it does receive unfair treatment.

Communism should be as universally despised and condemned as fascism and Nazism.
Also communism/Socialism os quite literally impossible as an economic system. It's failures you see while exasperated by human malice are a reflection of how it is an impossible system
What's happening in Venezuela for example was predicted by Mises nearly a century before it happened
mises.org/library/end-socialism-and-calculation-debate-revisited

Then it would have lasted longer than a single human lifespan in any of the 46 countries it got tried out in.

46 attempts at Communism. 46 failures.

Venezuela's crisis wasn't caused by Socialism. It fell apart because they spent more than a decade relying almost entirely on oil exports and the country is suffering a drought.

Literally false. Dissent isn't met with suppression in Cuba. Journalists move freely and are allowed to critique the gov.

Cuban-Americans don't like it because they're the ones who got ran out.

>Cuba did okay though, despite getting ass fucked for no reason by the embargo.

What a fucking retard you are. Castro nationalized and confiscated all lands businesses and assets of US citizens and corporations. Is it really a surprise that the US government decided that they didn't want to be trading partners with them after that?

Then reality and history are all wrong and communism didn't really fail that many times

Communism works... in a commune, everything beyond village level is a waste of time and lives. Applying communism at a state level will lead to failure

It fell apart because they spent more than a decade relying almost entirely on oil exports and the country is suffering a drought.

Jesus, everything you just wrote is complete garbage. They are falling apart because the government keeps printing and spending money which caused inflation. People got pissed because it got harder to buy things so the government instituted price controls that were far lower than were necessary for business owners and farmers to turn a profit so they stopped producing. That's why everything there is a shortage of damn near everything over there.

>Literally false. Dissent isn't met with suppression in Cuba. Journalists move freely and are allowed to critique the gov.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Spring_(Cuba)

Just fucking kill yourself dude.

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Yeah, right.
>Venezuela's crisis wasn't caused by Socialism.
Please, tell me more of why Venezuela crisis is not caused by all the businesses that died or were nationalized because of the government.
Tell me why I can't fucking work if I don't work for the government.

>its always someone else's fault
classic leftist tactics

What if you're a retarded faggot?

What if I sage your thread?

>Venezuela's crisis wasn't caused by Socialism
No user it was specifically caused by Socialism for the reasons Mises brought up nearly a century before.

If you haven't even heard of the calculation problem you should stop opening your Ignorant mouth and read at the very least that article I posted.

Also the excuses you're making are a case and point of how I said yes Socialism gets unfair treatment.

Capitalism is demonized when it has a growth rate decrease for a few months yet there's endless excuses for the absolute travesties caused by every implementation of Socialism.

People protesting the Cuban government just before Obama showed up in hopes to reach the wider world were litteraly put into jail for doing so you colossal lying nigger.

There's no authority structure that it would actually work within, our species is too inherently competitive to not have some kind of elite class. People who would otherwise be part of a functioning elite class will always eventually subvert any authority structure that doesn't provide them with an elite status, almost always by utilizing the fact that elite status can develop among groups of people who are disconnected from the authority structure in any way. This is to say that maintaining communism requires "thought police", it requires them so much that an increasingly thought police like system or group becomes extant within every form of communism or strong socialism almost immediately even if it was wished expressly by the founding ideals of that form that this not occur. Communism's morality is not in question, the morality of the beings carrying out communism will always be in question and inherently cannot be improved upon - this will only become more true the more the population of any economy, or even just the world entire, increases because the number of outliers who require an elite status will also increase.

Which brings me to my second point, Dunbar's Number, which is at most 250 and at least 150, this number is generated by examining the size of the neocortex and average social group size of larger primates. Projecting upward the human "group size" is 150-250, beyond this number natural systems of human authority and organization break down because it is no longer possible to personally know every member of your own group. Humans probably lived this way for most of their existence on earth but we don't remember, nobody had invented writing yet to be able to carry memories beyond their own lifespan with any real accuracy. Humans only created larger group sizes and larger systems for the purpose of war where more is obviously better and this only occurred at a set point where the human population total and thus population density was high enough...

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Fuck off Jason

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...to initiate warfare between groups in earnest. This is to say that war, despite the modern distaste for it, gave birth to human civilization. Before this, before our history and memory, we were probably all communists. People worked for and shared most or all resources with the tribe. Sure, they made sure their family got fed before the rest of it, but at it's core it was probably very communistic - each member of the group felt they couldn't realistically survive, which they couldn't, without the group.

So without at least the idea of wealth to be pursued by group outliers, those outliers will turn on the group and subvert it's authority structure. We're simply not good enough to do it any other way, we don't understand ourselves well enough to control ourselves in the way that communism would require to actually succeed.

Also to complaints of "but 'merica bullied da commiezzzz" I say , yeah, if it didn't win then it wasn't doing very well. There is no way a properly functioning communist society would lose at anything to a capitalist society, all the shit talk about communism in the past is very likely true to the last letter. People fear it with good reason, it's very easy for outliers to corrupt a highly moralizing system like communism whereas capitalism will just wrap them in a net of wealth and identity with which they must cooperate to maintain their own position.

The birth of communism doesn't look like right-minded human beings doing the right thing, it especially doesn't look like SJW bigots or ANTIFA gangsters. It looks like I, Robot except Will Smith isn't there to kill SHODAN with his robot arm. It's everything Theodore Kaczynski predicted in "Industrial Society and It's Future", in fact the specific type of leftism he talks about is beginning to become truly extant in western society.

Unlike Kaczynski I will welcome the Machine Mother - but she is the only one who can administrate true communism.

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If a capitalist country's main export tanked in value and the economy consequently collapsed, would you blame capitalism or the dipshits who completely and utterly relied on it?

What if Fascism is the right way this entire time and the thing that the elites are most afraid of?