This is considered a normal visit to a doctor in America

>this is considered a normal visit to a doctor in America

Only 42k?

Pretty cheap, they didn't even have to take out a mortgage!

Nationalized health care isnt going to solve that problem.

Don't own things you can't afford.

>thinks you can fix oligarchic crony-capitalism by taking these exorbitant costs and forcing everyone to pay them by gunpoint aka socialism

break up the healthcare/insurance monopolies and this problem will go away

You Eurofags really do love having to have simple things explained to you when you say the same incorrect statements every day, eh?

Nobody said you were smart, but then again, you sacrifice your kids' buttholes to your local Muslims, so maybe the loss of your dignity decades ago is the reason you're such awful people.

Stay dumb and mad, Britbong.

Had a friend that had a big cut on his hand during his stay in the US and had to pay over 500. That shit is crazy considering not all the US citizens have coverage.

Further proof that the US is a third-world country, but a rich one at that.

yes it would lol

>you should have though about whether or not you can afford a $800,000 hospital bill before having a heart attack! baka!

Americans actually have to pay extra to hold their own child after birth. Can't make this shit up.

I'm not one of those fags who thinks europe is doing everything wrong.
You guys are doing healthcare right, or at least better.
You guys are fucking up in more ways than we are though.

Hey guys, I have this outrageous idea. Lets let the states themselves decide on what kind of healthcare system they want to use, and adjust until it works just fine for them. For the 80th time, what works in California doesn't necessarily work in New Jersey.

Insurance.

>rich
>largest homeless population in the world
Top KEK

How much they pay to get their dicks cut?

>bill given to insurance
This is always bullshit comflated bs.

Okay, yes hospitals and medical facilities overcharge like a mother fucker. Because they expect insurance to be paid.

I had a baby Nov 2015, and it went like this.
>$84,000 bill
>reduced to $17,000 bill because hospital is in my network
>paid $2000.00 deductible
>now all other bills are paid 90% by insurance.
>Leaving me $1500.00 bill
>For baby delivery, and 3 nights in the hospital.

If you DON'T have insurance, the hopsital charges the state and it comes out of our taxes.
I fucking hate our system, but claims like that are just outright lies.

Silly foreigners don't understand that no one actually pays that much.

It's what is initially billed to insurance, and they negotiate it down. What the individual pays of it is just the copay or deductible anyways.

>it requires an extra nurse to be in the delivery room to make sure the baby is okay while everyone else is taking care of the mom.
>why does it charge extra?

Man, I can tell that a lot of people in this thread are young and have never actually had to deal with insurance companies or paying hospital bills themselves.

>Delivery C Section
>QTY: 79
The fuck?

Now let's disband NATO have them pay their own defense spending and see how long they can keep this "free" healthcare?

It is but you need to get rid of the scum first.

>Be from Ontario
>Find lump
>Wait 100+ days for diagnosis
>Wait 50+ days for treatment
>Die

I could wake up with a lump, have it diagnosed by breakfast and have it removed before lunch.

How can it be that expensive and nigger still shit out kids on masse?

Clearly it was a mexican patient

Because nobody actually pays this, insured or not. Hospitals are run by (((financiers))).

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That's probably the pre-insurance bill. With health insurance you only pay a small piece of that.

Considering our taxes are considerably lower than nations with national health care, most of us are probably coming out ahead in the long run on this kind of thing.

Because niggers don't pay a dime. That's what's so insane about ours system. It's too costly for tax payers to have kids but non tax payers can shit out as many kids as they want.

Americans pay thousands of shekels to rabbis to cut off part of their newborn son's penis and give their infant genital herpes, then the foreskin is sold at a massive profit to cosmetics companies to use in facial creams sold to old ladies. Americans will defend this.

>what works in California
lmao
>he thinks anything in California actually works

The literal feel desu

>be UK
>send women home 1 day after giving birth

Meanwhile niggers and spics are having babies for free. Top kek. Truly a dying nation.

Honestly how the fuck does the math make sense here? If you add up everything multiplied by their quantity, you end up with 1/4 million dollars. If you just add up all the charges individually it's $3,472 and change. Where the fuck is this $13,280.49 coming from?
>inb4 burger math

partially my point. Let California try their tax funded state healthcare. and let every other state try what they want to try.

>rich

k

>>don't birth if you can't afford a ridiculous bill you can't negotiate and/or dispute

Wow, I thought you "conservatives" liked capitalism, turns out your true colors are favoring corporate cronyism.

insurance companies didn't fix it.
A government insurance company wouldn't fix it.

Holy shit. Wtf is wrong with them? The founding fathers must be proud. LUL.

i bet it costs the taxpayers way more than that in your country.

Dear America, this is what taxes look like with nationalised healthcare

I always laugh when Americunts post hospital bills like this. It's not that they have to pay the bills and they don't have insurance...
It's the fact that these medical bills are so outrageously overpriced yet nobody seems to question them.
Like, $10k for a hospital bed for a week? What are these hospitals fucking six star serving you delucue 3 course meals every day?

I understand the mindset of "oh just have insurance and you won't need to worry about it." But that's not the problem. The problem seems to be the care is extortionately priced BECAUSE nobody questions it. Even if you are not paying these bills directly... you are paying for these ridiculous costs through insurance rates which I imagine are ridiculous.

Because it's not that expensive. Highest I've ever heard charged to have a kid was like 10 grand due to tons of complications due to the kid being a premie. Lowest I've ever heard was 50 bucks because the dude had a copay on some of the medications.

Yeah, but to get it free like them, you have to live in poverty.
It's nice in the middle class.

Girlfriend gave birth to our daughter and we didn't pay a penny because we had insurance.
If you don't have insurance, you deserve to pay for your services.
European Healthcare is complete ass, I've been sick there before and it is run by incompetent beaurucrats and incompetent doctors.

I get your point, but I think you're misinformed about California. Medi-Cal is just California's implementation of Medicaid. I doubt it's much different than any other state.

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thats not without national health coverage, thats without insurance at all


sadly i don't really feel bad that people ignore the oppurtunity to help themselves and then pay the price for it later

>free clinics all over america, not to mention most in private practice will happily give away free samples of drugs in place of prescriptions

It's the same thing with college. If you are stupid enough to pay for it yourself you deserve what you get.

>50+

Now youre just being generous

Out of interest, how much do you pay per year for your insurance?

Not a bad deal. When I pay for skin on skin it cost more then $40.

IF the states had full control over this it would likely be fully privatized in shitholes like California

Get government out of the healthcare system and costs will drop due to lower costs on the provider's end as well as the market becoming increasingly competitive.

Stefan Moly was suspect to having brain cancer - he would have to wait a year to for his diagnosis in Canada, but, he went down to the U.S and it was done by the next Monday.

He didn't have brain cancer, but, he had to pay alot more

Even if you don't have insurance and you don't get state assistance you can negotiate the bills down. Hospitals would much rather have you on a payment plan than sell your debt for 10 cents on the dollar.

The actual bill is pretty meaningless.

We also should ban banter like the brits did. Hate speech not free speech!

Australian system is good imo.
2% of your tax goes to medicare and we have a universal healthcare system, but, if you want private you can get private.

the reason our healthcare is one of the best in the world is because of capitalist innovation.

No one wants to pour millions into discovering a miracle pill if they can't profit from it. In nationalized healthcare systems, innovation is all but dead. There's no reason to invest when you won't make a profit.

Please note, I said Healthcare not Healthcare costs. We have the highest survival rates for many different kinds of cancers and transplants.

People who live in socialized healthcare countries will fly here because they can get the best treatment NOW as opposed to waiting their turn and getting mediocre treatment.

Paying my bill helped pay for the brand new maternity wing I gave birth in. I support that for my community.

Theres so many cases I would have rather pay 500$ than spend 11 hrs waiting for stiches in manitoba

>Delivery C Section
>Quantity 79
Am I the only one confused by this?

Well you don't HAVE to deliver the baby in a hospital

Post tits

They're for my white husband only, abbo.

About two hundred or so actually. It was done to me when I was about three and I have deeply scarring memories of it.

Underrated

real, EU-style nationalized healthcare would be better than what we've currently got. obamacare is just making it illegal to not take part in what we've currently got. trumps plan will probably just be obamacare with teeth, because he is just another NWO-owned puppet president.

>Leaving me $1500.00 bill
>For baby delivery, and 3 nights in the hospital.
Are you saying that's cheap or something? Here it's around $200 for delivery and five days in a hospital.

>tfw have amazing insurance through employer that would put yurofags and cancucks "free health insurance" to fucking shame.
feels good man

>can't spell.
Kek. Why are women so stupid?

high price = market signal to produce more maternity wards to increase supply and bring the costs down with competition.

This is how a healthy market functions. but since government is so intertwined with healthcare in this country, everything is fucked up and these ridiculous prices are the result.

>obamacare is just making it illegal to not take part in what we've currently got
Obamacare also imposed unreasonable requirements on coverage plans, leading to everything getting more expensive because men need to have their birth control pills paid for amirite?

Yet you still offer no good explanation to why your medical care is so damn expensive. How about investing some of that military budget into medical care, maybe use that tax payers money for something that is actually needed.

In the united states we require our doctors to actually graduate from medical school. We expect the best care and are willing to pay for it. People have been giving birth for centuries without hospitals. They aren't actually required ya know.

Stiches.

so you think nurse in the UK get paid 8 pounds (or whatever the fuck you use) an hour to take care of sick people? it might be bullshit to you but nurses get paid well and just cause you don't see the numbers on a bill doesn't mean no one is getting charged

Don't be afraid goym it's all going to be alright just don't forget to send another 38 billion of dollars next year :)

>Recieve 2 days worth of care
>pay for it for it with 2 years' worth of wages

No. There's investment and profit, then there's monopoly and extortion. Exact same thing as that nonce who bought a cancer pill and raised its price by 50,000%. There's no competition in medicine and they know that people dying can't say no. It's a massive scam that's helped by the insurance companies. they don't care how much a service costs because they pass the cost onto the insurance payee.

A broken leg shouldn't cost as much as a new car to fix. Sure, pay the doctors a high wage and have expensive equipment, but don't multiply the bill by 10 just because you can.
Your bill didn't go to building a new maternity ward. Your bill went into the multi trillion dollar medical stock funds and pay packets for shareholders. Ever wonder why most of the billionaires are involved in the medical and pharmaceutical trading funds?

I didn't say cheap.
I had complications due to an autoimmune disease.
My point is: the total bill was not $84,000.00, but somewhere closer to $3,500.00 or the price of a piece of shit car.

If you're poor, it's less. If you're richer, you pay more for insurance, but pay less when you need it.

I'm just middle class and don't really fit into either of those categories and still, I am not in debt for the rest of my life because I had to go to the hospital.

People are retarded for thinking so and it's always conflated in these threads by people who are too young or healthy to have ever had to actually deal with bills in these set of circumstances.

Not all of course, but most.

Costs the same in the UK, instead of a bill it's hidden with $5 per gallon gas tax
20% vat on everything you buy
And 40% income tax

Reposting discussion I had in an earlier thread

The NHS is nowhere near as bad as the extortionate costs of American medical treatment, but I have seen NHS bills and they are still very steep. Most of the cost is in the medicine and consultation though.

>$3500.00 is 2 years salary

>forgetting that the hospital sets the prices the insurance jews pay

This is what you get for being a pussy and not birthing that little fucker yourself with your own two goddamn hands like a man and tearing the umbilical cord in half with your teeth.

We spend more than your entire government budget on Medicare handouts. Fuck off.

It's called insurance, and all that would do is raise taxes even further

You are a serious shut in NEET if a $3500 medical bill for something you've known about for 6+ months cripples you financially.

Oh you poor naive fool

>practitioners will just take on more clients
>not like doctors aren't already flooded with patients
>not like a flooded doctors office will just take on MORE clients because MONEY!

None of my doctors are accepting new clients right now and not for lack of patients. I guess we could just get more doctors and that'll fix EVERYTHING, right?

>4,000 dollars in pharmacy charges
>for a broken ankle
The fuck

did you really get a proxy to samefag some random shit in a random thread?

What a fag

Yeah, SO NAIVE!
Oh wait, I dealt with this exact shit last year and my point still stands.
See

there is some things is this that wasn't required to be paid by the guy, i don't remember exactly what

this pic is from a ledditor karma whore

>You have to pay someone for performing a service for you
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

what?

Because 2 people COULDN'T POSSIBLY think you're a cuck.

I pay 25$ a month for healthcare and it covers everything

You are basically telling me exactly what I first said here
That American medical bills are extortion

And you wonder why the rest of the world calls you guys retarded. You can't even read a goddamn thread, let alone a medical bill.

You guys have it all wrong.

The problem with US healthcare is that the people who use it aren't the people who pay for it. You have no agency in your care, your doctor does whatever they do to treat you, and they bill your insurance. No amount of deregulation will fix that.

savage

>Yet you still offer no good explanation to why your medical care is so damn expensive.

low supply, low productivity, low growth, high taxation, little competition, high government subsidy, doctor profession is fully cartelized.

there's your answer.