Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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MUERETE DE UNA VEZ HIJO DE LA GRAN PUTA

Que pasa hombre, no te gusta la dictadura del proletariado?

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stop speaking chinese

what's so funny comrade

>american education

THE ONLY GOOD COMMIE IS A DEAD COMMIE


REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Gommie doesn't know what a joke is
Figures

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Communism is based

>Communism

Lel, comunists are bunch of lazy thieves who are too stupid to wrok, so they decide to stole from the rich. Hell, even Marx himself basically stole Hegel's ideas and put them into manifesto.

it is funny to me when people who never lived under communism, look at it in idealistic way, when in reality it is shit and it never works i have seen it with my own eyes. stop dreaming

When will this spanish nigger give up? You're not turning anyone communist except your proxies.

>Commies think they will ever take over the west when they can't even refute a simple picture

Comrade Stalin fuck yeah.

It's funny when people think communism have been reached yet

>turn the thread it a
>Communism CRINGE THREAD
please.

daily reminder that gommunism was created by a drunk JEW.

slide this piece of shit

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Don't you get tired of posting? Anyway, I'll comment the same thing I do every time I see this shitty thread you make.

Kill yourself

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Reminder that communism is not working.

This picture really gets my noggin a joggin

Communism has not been reach yet, read your own history, we have had and have socialist states such china.

This fucking one Spanish Commie Jew cunt.
I hope you get stabbed at a soccer match and bleed out while your ambulance is used to ferry refugees for gender reassignment surgery, you filthy red ratfucker bastard.

>Communism has not been reach yet
So what is your definition of true communism? Every commie seems to have their own.

then go there, nigger

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Over the last century, capitalism has repeatedly revealed its worst tendencies: instability and inequality. Instances of instability include the Great Depression (1929-1941) and the Great Recession since 2008, plus eleven "downturns" in the US between those two global collapses. Each time, millions lost jobs, misery soared, poverty worsened and massive resources were wasted. Leaders promised that their "reforms" would prevent such instability from recurring. Those promises were not kept. Reforms did not work or did not endure. The system was, and remains, the problem.

Inequality likewise proved to be an inherent trend of capitalism. Only occasionally and temporarily did opposition from its victims stop or reverse it. Income and wealth inequalities have worsened in almost every capitalist country since at least the 1970s. Today we have returned to the huge 19th-century-sized gaps between the richest 1 percent and everyone else. Rescuing the "disappearing middle class" has become every aspiring politician's slogan. Extreme inequality infects all of society as corporations and the rich, to protect their positions, buy the politicians, mass media and other cultural forms that are for sale.

Remember to keep this up these generals are a yuge success. I'm sure by the end of the week pol will be a gobbunist board and then you will finally have friends for the first time in your life

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Would you kindly answer my quiestion instead of shitposting your commie stuff?

>Would you kindly answer my quiestion instead of shitposting your commie stuff?

It is in my first post.

Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

> Capitalism Had a few periods of time where economy failed
Meanwhile there was never a single
communistic economy that was even close to being succesful

> In capitalism there is the problem of a weak middle class, in communism we can solve that problem by not even having a middle but only a lower class

Truely a superior system

Capitalism in Western Europe, North America and Japan -- its original centers -- has boosted profits in four basic ways since the 1970s. First, it computerized and robotized, not to lessen everyone's work time, but instead to raise profits by reducing payrolls. Second, it exploited low-wage immigrant labor to offset wage increases won by years of labor struggles. Third, it moved production to lower-wage countries such as China, India, Brazil and others. Fourth, it divided and weakened the labor unions, political party groups and other organizations that pursued labor's interests. As a result, inside nearly every country of the global capitalist system, the rich-poor divide deepened.

Explain to me what you mean by income and wealth inequality? Also you mentioned people losing jobs so imagine you are a politician facedwith the prospect of a failing business. Do you prop up the failing business with a bailout with no guarantee that it will help the business long term aside from keeping short term jobs? Or do you refuse a bailout allowing the business to fail in turn allowing workers to fuel employment in other fields? Under communism failing state businesses are always propped up in order to employ workers, so money is needlessly wasted over and over again.

I hoped you answer with your own words, but ok. It works.

That's rather vague definition to be honest. How do you imagine it in practice?Money doesn't exist and we just magically know how much certain things we need to produce?
Why do you think Soviet Union wasn't real communism?

There is no business in communism, profit is forbidden.

>these 8fags are still shilling for the commies

Are not the workers in control, which would mean the workers are the "state?" So the workers control the companies. So what happens when a worker controlled "state" company is failing?

leftypol spanish shill is back again eh?

saged

But how you can tell it is failing when there is no money to indicate profit/loss?

What communist society has never used a currency to pay its workers? This isn't one of those "it will work this time around" threads is it?

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>What communist society has never used a currency to pay its workers?
Sure they used, after the revolution ended and holodomor started they've realiezd that they have no fucking clue wtf is happening in the country.

>Communism is the next stage of humanity

Exactly, once quotas are met workers stand around getting paid for nothing, and if a surplus is made, workers stand around getting paid for nothing until time for the next quota. Complete separation from supply and demand wasted a shit load of money and the standard of living crawled along at a snail's pace.

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What are the views of income mobility under communism? Do you agree that a more experienced worker with more wisdom and knowledge should get paid more than a brand new worker, or should they make the same? How does communism reward experience aside from handing out medals?

It failed so spectacularly that I don't know why there are still communists on this planet.
You can't implement this shit unless you can read people thoughts to know what they want even befor they are aware of it or have an army of robots making production costs close to zero.

I must say, that in Spain, only kids with dreadlocks who only want to be part of a scoial group, are communists. None of them have an IQ of above 60 and their "arguments" consist mainly of hypocrisy and making noise to hide it.
There's even a fat guy in my class who's a commie. I hope you see the hypocrisy here

t. Spaniard who sees these filthy subanimals every fucking day at uni

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So as a white man what does communism benefit me rather than fascism?

>communism failed
>it hasn't even been tried

kek, same argument everytime. it is unreachable my man

world peace, prosperity and liberty, end of the capitalist class = end of slavery.

Because it is so flawed, your state collapses before you can reach "true communism".

>world peace, prosperity and liberty

Capitalism isn't preventing the superstructure from changing. It already has and is changing into globalism. A system that has primarily benefitted the elite.

boy oh boy do i love the "true communism was never introduced to any country before" type argument
its beyond comprehension some of these niggers actually believe this shit

every day u guys come here post your Commie shit top kek
Keep tryin fgts u aint gonna change the world by spamming pol

>guise can we try again pls this time for reals

пoчeмy ты нepвничaeшь, хoтя?

this is a new kind of weeaboo
a comieboo

>we just need absolute rule over every aspect of life in society for a little while, just to set everything wright. You know, the commie way! Of course we gave this pover back to people once communism is reached!

>end of slavery
Is there not a ruling class under communism? Does not someone have to organize the workers? Does not someone have to tell them what to produce? If there is no ruling class, what happens when a factory wants to produce for a profit instead?

Self-organising network of autonomous communities of co-operating workers and citizens.

>Does not someone have to organize the workers? Does not someone have to tell them what to produce?

Why do you think there were constant shortages of everything in USSR? Why do you think it collapsed?
Even with ruling class they couldn't sort this shit out.

not an argument


fuck off you effeminate retard

So divide society in small groups and go back to tribal times basically.

what a pile of steaming shit
honestly do you believe in what you're saying?

What happens when those autonomous communities would rather trade with each other for a profit in order to raise their standard of living? If they are autonomous what keeps them communist?

holy shit pinkos cant into memes

I don't want communism, I just to bankers and tories executed after a show trial.

>we will have the society where everyone treated is equal and is happy, of course those who don't agree that we are happy and resist, or even think about it will get shot

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>he doesn't know what horizontal organization is

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What is amazing is that the soviet economists realized this shit early on, and they kept playing along probably in order not to get shot.

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and whats wrong with having a rich dad lending you money for you to prosper? honestly you commies are fucking insane

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>There will be plentiful of everything for everyone. We can 100% acurrate predict every need of every citizen and organize production for it. There won't be any shortages ever.

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>Marxism is a tool devised by elites to destroy their enemies.
>It's used to decimate any opposition, starting at the top and works its way down through the ranks of society.
>It is nothing more than a cultural siege engine used by the dark masters of this world to break people and make them obedient.

Stop trying to force communism/ socialism on society. It only ever ends in bloodshed. If you want socialistic aspects like universal health care/ education, lobby for them specifically on their own merit. Don't be a tool of the elites and fall for this trap.

stop posting in troll threads sage

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After the socialist phase that kind of behavior would be rare, and pointless. There is no need for money at that point.

>stalin
>lenin
fuck those russian imperialists

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kys you shitposting cuck