Arguments

ITT: We hone in on our argumentation skills. Post typical liberal arguments and we will dissect them and provide counter-arguments.

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Explain me what dialectical means, senpai.
I can almost bet that it doesn't mea anything but just to be sure.

Relates to the process by which two (or more) people establish truth through reasoning and logic.

All the top countries to live are extremely socialist and almost all of them (except USA) have free healthcare.

Bonus: The difference in IQ between whites and blacks is smaller than the one between jews and whites. So how are whites master race?

>he doesn't know what Marxism or socialism is

Whites needed white peasants

Jews did not

Wait, why specifically liberal arguments for dissection and countering? That frames this as a specifically conservative thread, but if it's for conservatives, wouldn't it be more productive to argue -as- a liberal?

So when a leftie says, "that's undialectical" , what does he means by that?

We want to practice debating lefties, shills, and faggots?

This faggot probably got stumped and needs someone else do do his thinking for him. Not sure why hes even in the conservative camp. Sounds like he would feel at home with liberals.

These are both 1/10 counterarguments. You assume that your opponent has advanced knowledge of some obscure Sup Forums memes that only you know about. That would do nothing to convince an opponent.

In fact, without any context your arguments make zero sense at all.

Everyone deserves a living wage.

Women have every right to total control over their own bodies and what happens therein.

Fake news is terrible, and just as common outside the MSM as it is within - moreso, even.

Here. These work, I guess. Not full arguments so much as ideas. Enjoy.

That's their way of saying not an argument. Although they themselves probably aren't providing any compelling arguments and are just regurgitating words they heard in their sociology class.

Trump is a racist xenophobic bigot who will destroy America for the lowest in the population like LGBT and minorities

Texas has terrible workers rights and working conditions and California is far better for business

Democratic Socialism is actually not the apocalyptic 1984 Soviet Russia scenario that red-blooded Americans think it would be

Bernie Sanders was a great guy

Restricting Abortion is bad for women's health rights and it isn't compassionate

No citizen needs an AR-15, it's a military gun

The Right is afraid of progress because of underlying bigotry

Kentucky and Ohio are terrible states and Nebraska doesn't exist.

Most common argument: voting against own self interest!
Most on the left are consistently voting against their own self interest, but then consider this noble self sacrifice. When conservatives/libertarian/other votes against what the left considers to be their self interest, they are quit to judge them as naive, tricked or of low intelligence.

My point was just that we already get a shit ton of practice doing that. If the point is to become better at arguing, with whatever subject, the best way to improve is to approach and dissect from both points of view in order to strengthen your own weaknesses. Doesn't that make sense?

>Everyone deserves a living wage.
Why?

>Women have every right to total control over their own bodies and what happens therein.
Why?

>Fake news is terrible, and just as common outside the MSM as it is within - moreso, even.
I'm not necessarily going to disagree but it's much more concerning when a major news network broadcasts blatant lies because it will reach more people.

>That's their way of saying not an argument.
Aw shit. Thanks senpai.

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Life isnt only about iq

you gonna need to sauce that senpai desu baka

Babies are born without hatred of other races.

If a black man acts civilly and with class for the good of America are you against him?

>Everyone deserves a living wage.
2 Thessalonians 3:6-13
6 Now we command you, beloved, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from believers who are living in idleness and not according to the tradition that they received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us; we were not idle when we were with you, 8 and we did not eat anyone’s bread without paying for it; but with toil and labor we worked night and day, so that we might not burden any of you. 9 This was not because we do not have that right, but in order to give you an example to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this command: Anyone unwilling to work should not eat. 11 For we hear that some of you are living in idleness, mere busybodies, not doing any work. 12 Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living. 13 Brothers and sisters, do not be weary in doing what is right.

>Women have every right to total control over their own bodies and what happens therein.
Humane Vitae, read it. All of modern societies problems are because of birth control

>Fake news is terrible, and just as common outside the MSM as it is within - moreso, even.
Truth is relative, who are you to say your truth is more true than mine?

babylonbee.com/news/culture-truth-relative-suddenly-concerned-fake-news/

Race is a social construct. There is no scientific proof for race.

Not all gun owners = Not all Muslims

If you can justify banning the immigration of one you can justify banning guns.

>Everyone deserves a living wage.
Wrong. No one "deserves" anything other than the right to life, the right to liberty, and the right to pursue happiness.

>Women have every right to total control over their own bodies and what happens therein.
Correct. But they don't have the right to murder another body except in matters of self defense. And even then, it'll go to trial.

What I'm saying is, I'll allow an abortion as long as there is a trial to determine the woman acted in self defense.

>Fake news is terrible, and just as common outside the MSM as it is within - moreso, even.
Again, not wrong. The whole Fake News argument comes down to a freedom of speech issue. A "Who watches the watchmen" type of thing. Nobody can say anyone else can't say anything. No one should have a "verified" badge for any other reason other than to verify they are who they say they are. Nobody gets a badge to say "this person/organization is more trustworthy than this organization".

>Here. These work, I guess. Not full arguments so much as ideas. Enjoy.

I didn't.

Those are all correct though

The jew is a master of psyops.

From an earlier age I always suspected there was something wrong with the mindset that promoted victimhood. The mindset that said "Rather than improve my own, I want parts of what you have built for yourself. Rather than imitating your success, I want to invade it" which was essentially the crux of the integration movement.

In my youth, however, I was so thouroughly immersed in misleading and downright false narratives, the confusion so intense that I couldn't even recognize fuckery let alone call it out.

MLK was a puppet of the jew, for the purpose of pushing professional victimhood, and creating identity crises, to the end of creating maximum exploitability for the black american community, which was the most vunerable american subculture. Then the jew pushed feminism to utterly cripple the black community.

Jews have exploited the black community to an absolutely appalling degree, and throughout history has thus indirectly caused a level of suffering that dwarfs the holocaust on a cosmic magnitude. MLK was a major modern agent of their psyops and puppeteering, which is why he is treated as a near prophet by the jew controlled mainstream american narrative.

We need to stop celebrating MLK. We need to take down his statues and memorials. We need to rename his streets and high schools. We need to remove his name from the history books. His name and likeness is a symbol of black oppression, but not in the way most people think. MLK and his ideology were a personified admission of inferiority. We need to move forward with a new way of thinking, a paradigm shift for the new century.

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>Everyone deserves a living wage
>Why?
Because if people cannot earn a living wage from a job they will have to resort to crime to survive or rely on government benefits which are costly and inefficient to the taxpayer.
web.mit.edu/fustflum/documents/papers/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf
Then most of the /pol arguments against black people are invalid.

>The difference in IQ between whites and blacks is smaller than the one between jews and whites.
No it isn't

>Wrong. No one "deserves" anything other than the right to life, the right to liberty, and the right to pursue happiness.
Says who?

all the church fathers contradict protestantism

What's the best answer to someone that says:

>no need to be afraid of terrorism, you're much more likely to die in a car accident

>Correct. But they don't have the right to murder another body except in matters of self defense. And even then, it'll go to trial.

What I'm saying is, I'll allow an abortion as long as there is a trial to determine the woman acted in self defense.

lmao

This is a well known phenomena that was never really controversial. Literally google 'Ashkenazi iq'

But somehow niggers are scientifically at a higher risk for sickle cell disease.

>race is not science

>if people cannot earn a living wage from a job they will have to resort to crime to survive or rely on government benefits
>or rely on government benefits
>government benefits

What is the living wage if not a form of government benefit?

Well, depending on where you live you really shouldn't be afraid

Violence in africa is a result of colonialism.

>Because if people cannot earn a living wage from a job they will have to resort to crime to survive or rely on government benefits which are costly and inefficient to the taxpayer.
Simply disagree. You're wrong, and retards like you destroy human productivity. What an idiotic thing to say

Low IQ*

So we tax the taxpayer even more? Does the lib recognize the ignorance in that argument?

>What is the living wage if not a form of government benefit?
?????? its not paid the government dipshit its paid by the company

wew lad

>Trump is a racist xenophobic bigot who will destroy America for the lowest in the population like LGBT and minorities

He won't but he should.

>Texas has terrible workers rights and working conditions and California is far better for business

The only workers right that exists is do you want to work? Yes or no? All California is is full of young faggots who hit big money at the beginning of a tech boom and can't/won't grow the fuck up and retirees and spics. Literally the state is a giant pyramid scheme about to collapse.

>Democratic Socialism is actually not the apocalyptic 1984 Soviet Russia scenario that red-blooded Americans think it would be

You're right, it's just retarded and on every scale only leads to 1984 style soviet russia scenarios.

>Bernie Sanders was a great guy

Bernie Sanders is an old Jew commie who fancies himself an intellectual when he's really just a gibsmedat Jew. Have you ever even spent two seconds watching him actually speak in a town hall format? He's bonafide retarded.

>Restricting Abortion is bad for women's health rights and it isn't compassionate

>No citizen needs an AR-15, it's a military gun

You need an AR-15 shoved up your vagina

>The Right is afraid of progress because of underlying bigotry

The right isn't afraid of progress the right is against progress because of its underlying faggotry

>Kentucky and Ohio are terrible states and Nebraska doesn't exist.

whatever

Dialectics can be denoted as a 3 step process:
Thesis
Antithesis
Thesis
In Hegelian/ Marx interpretation, contradiction is inherent--therefore we can think of this as a pendulum--swinging back and forth until coming to a rest. With this new synthesis new antithesis will arise and thus start the process again.

wow great counterargument friendo. This whole thread is about improving your debate skills and I have to say you still have a lot of work to do. Like actually making arguments for start lol

Oh well fuck me with a wet leaf lemme take off the shitposting hat

Sorry I mean
Thesis
Antithesis
Synthesis

>tax the taxpayer
Due to the moral sanctions that you have introduced to the argument, the simple and definitive counter-answer would be "yes, tax the taxpayer more." For it is the American's decision.

Throwing a baseless claim around is not an argument.

Such massive wars did not exist in africa before the colonial era. Of course violence has always been higher than in Europe, but there were no such constant wars before.

You see, the logic is quite simple here. The colonial rule destroyed the national/tribal identities of africa. We destroyed the organic societal makeup of Africa and because of that there will be endless wars till the current awful borders are destroyed and more organic nationalistic borders are created.

If I just cut Europe into squares. Would you really think that different nationalities would not fight?

>Blacks Deserve Reperations

>Not all Muslims
(Although this is easily refuted by asking the shitlib if they would rather live in a majority muslim populated city/state/country or not)

>Not all Blacks

>People Deserve a living wage

>White people have internalized racism

>White, straight men have internalized misogyny

>Christianity, and religion, have degraded society

>Social liberalism has been of utmost benefit to current society

>Transgenderism is not a mental disorder

>White people are the most privileged, due to maintaining the highest positions and holding the most power in US
(Easily refuted by explaining that jews aren't white)

>Blacks were original egyptians

>Gays can be as good, if not better parents than straight couples

>Birth Control is a right

>A woman's body is hers to do with

>Not being a feminist is, by extension, misogynist

>High taxes on the rich is preferable

>High govt spending is the best solution during a recession

>We need more diversity

>Education is a basic right and should be free

>Debt should be forgiven


t. Californian

I hear all of this shit almost all the time

Resorting to insults ins't an argument either lol. Cmon son use your brain I know you have it in ya

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America has always been a country of immigrants you is white scum!

Hi. Wasn't the point of this thread to get better at arguing? Try harder please.

You're making a mistake here. I am right wing an I believe every single word I just said.

Also, you're making a rather bad logical fallacy by claiming that "because you're wrong on that other thing, you're wrong on this"

Now try again.

>(Easily refuted by explaining that jews aren't white)
Are they not Caucasoid? They are definitely aren't any of the other 3 races (negroid, mongoloid, Australoid)

>2 Thessalonians 3:6-13
6 Now we command you, beloved, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from believers who are living in idleness and not according to the tradition that they received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us; we were not idle when we were with you, 8 and we did not eat anyone’s bread without paying for it; but with toil and labor we worked night and day, so that we might not burden any of you. 9 This was not because we do not have that right, but in order to give you an example to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this command: Anyone unwilling to work should not eat. 11 For we hear that some of you are living in idleness, mere busybodies, not doing any work. 12 Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living. 13 Brothers and sisters, do not be weary in doing what is right.

A passage from the bible? How is this an argument? I don't believe in the bible, so are you able to provide an intelligent opinion without that?

>Truth is relative, who are you to say your truth is more true than mine?

2+2=4 is not relative, you're just stumped.

Giving away a living wage is giving away money that is not yours. People below the poverty line may be very grateful and the extra help could, in the long run, be beneficial to society. How do we split up a general living income? Certainly rich individuals will have no need nor desire to accept such a wage, so there must be some kind of cutoff income, below which "qualifies" a person.

People just above that line will soon realize that it isn't worth working 40hr/week only to make a few hundred dollars more than the man who chooses to lay in bed all day. You would see such folks quit their jobs, and fall into the universal basic income category.

Over time, the income cutoff would rise with inflation, as more and more people drop below the line. This divide would sow extreme social tensions between classes, and one could predict the effects that would follow.

here, had to type a bit

Islam is an inherently militant expansionist ideology. Gun ownership is not.

This is largely due to geographic and demographic considerations: most of these nations are small densely populated European nations with homogenous populations
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>Wrong. No one "deserves" anything other than the right to life, the right to liberty, and the right to pursue happiness.

the full leftist argument is actually that if someone works their ass off for a company, they deserve a living wage, provided that there is a living wage available to pay them and that they work for it.

>extremely socialist
Also known as communism?

>Everyone deserves a living wage.
Raising the minimum wage will hurt more people in the long run, not to mention the repercussions it would have on the economy. People who now complain about their low wage, will end up with no wage. Forcing big companies like McDonalds to increase their wages will undoubtedly hurry up the automation process, which already is bordering on complete.

Forcing lesser companies to increase their wages will also make it harder for entrepreneurs to flourish; a potential company which would make jobs in the future.

>Women have every right to total control over their own bodies and what happens therein.
They do have control over their own body, a fetus on the other hand, is inside their body, it's not a part of it. If I live inside an apartment complex, I don't become the building. Claiming that it's the state's job to pay for your abortion doesn't have anything to do with the fact that it's your body neither. You should have more than enough time to decide whether or not you want to be a parent within the first semester of your pregnancy.

Besides this, it's a decision both parties should have to agree on–with regards to the father.

socialism/communism works in racially/ethnically/culturally homogeneous societies.

the end.

case in point:
>muslims will not work super hard and pay tons of taxes knowing those taxes will go to the benefit and support of lazy jews
>vice versa, jews will not work super hard and pay tons of taxes knowing those taxes will go to the benefit and support of lazy muslims

and
>blacks will not work super hard and pay tons of taxes knowing those taxes will go to the benefit and support of lazy whites
>vice, versa whites will not work super hard and pay tons of taxes knowing those taxes will go to the benefit and support of lazy blacks

AND ON AND ON AND ON...only [INSERT RACIAL, RELIGIOUS, CULTURAL CATEGORY] will work hard and pay taxes to support the same [INSERT RACIAL, RELIGIOUS, CULTURAL CATEGORY]

>What's the best answer to someone that says:

you guys are so tribal and so tied to identity politics that you can't even assume that maybe you agree with ONE thing the left has to say, instead if you don't understand whats wrong with an argument you automatically assume it's false because it's from the left and you're actually asking your other echo chamber pals to give you the cheat sheet for this one. That is beyond insane.

They could be anything:Yemeni, lebanese, persian, sephardic...

not all of their ancestors came from the caucus mountains...Jews don't identify as white, unless they want white people to do something AND THEN they say "us white people should x," like that kike Boynie Sanduhs saying that whites DO owe black people reparations, whilst he used the royal "we" when giving his talk on the matter

A global free market is actually better for the general population. Prices go down and quality go up.

Ya you actually don't what living wage is lol. If someone lies on his ass all day he won't get any living wage because it is paid by companies and no company would keep him if he did that. I think you are thinking of food stamps or something

The earth is 4.543 billion years old.

yes, and that's probably precisely what's happening: conservatives are posing as libtards while playing devil's advocate

Such argument is flawed because it exists only in a vacuum. Expanding to consider the folks across the bench who work twice as hard, then I'm sure we could both agree that the "better man/woman" should receive the reward, no? In the presence of limited resources, we must make logical decisions to maintain the perceived 'fairness' of societal choice and the consequences or rewards of such choice.

but this is true

>This is a well known phenomena that was never really controversial. Literally google 'Ashkenazi iq'

not surprisingly this guy will still probably never believe it and instead choose to believe that this research is just Jewish propaganda.. yet they boast about their own IQ's. More and more I've come to find that Sup Forums is where the shit-tier of the white race gathers.

I'm referring to UBI - universal basic income

These countries tend to be ethnically and culturally homogeneous and have very specialized economies drastically exposed to risk that almost always pass international responsibility onto other powers, specifically the US.

ITT: Echochamber

those aren't races. There are only 4 races. You are thinking of nationalities or ethnicities which pretty much have no bearing on dna whatsoever other than basic aesthetics

>What is the living wage if not a form of government benefit?

That would be ideal, but there are areas where it's almost impossible to find a job that pays a living wage, no matter how hard you try. You could argue that it's the left's fault, or the right's fault, but it's real.

>the full leftist argument is actually that if someone works their ass off for a company, they deserve a living wage, provided that there is a living wage available to pay them and that they work for it.

Regardless, it's a retarded argument. I scratch what I said before. There is one right of the worker. The right to work. As in do you want to work here? Yes or no. Now, this right is protected in that they can quit at anytime without repercussion from the employer. I don't owe any worker anything who doesn't want to work for what I'm willing to pay. Now, if I don't pay a fair wage and pay for a good employee, I'm going to go out of business. My product/goods and services will suck. This is what leftists don't understand.

Someone with a brain here

>Everyone deserves a living wage.
this statement is meaningless until you present your definition of what is the best possible society you are working towards. in SOME definitions of a "good" society, yes, everyone deserves a living wage. in OTHER definitions of a "good" society, no, everyone does not deserve a living wage.

it's an important point, and one you must address first. it's like the "does god exist" question. you first must provide your definition of god before arguing whether it exists or not.

That may be the most retarded thing in this thread. Socialism/communism does not work. Period. In any society. It may work for a time, but it never works forever.

A good part of the lads over here support some form of protectionism though.

Also SJW "arguments" are low hanging fruit.

the lib recognizes that at their core, humans are primarily concerned with survival. If there are no jobs around paying a living wage, a human will still do whatever is needed, no matter how ethical, to survive. Leave it to the right to dumb down the analysis of that to "they just want gibsmedats" like you did though.

Proof that all of the results are a secret conspiracy by jews to inflate their own ego?
That isn't living wage unless it means something else in your country. Living wage is the minimum a company must pay an employee yearly or hourly.

Ok I'm not as versed in such topic. Misinterpreted

Not a single part of anything you said qualifies as an argument or had any substance to it, you shit-brained rube. This is why the left calls you a citizen of "Dumbfuckistan"

>have no bearing on DNA
>no bearing
>DNA
>basic aesthetics
>DNA
>aesthetics

you deserve nothing but derision for this.
no wonder everyone fucking hates canadians

This is the first good counterargument I read in this thread. Good job.

why is it retarded? i'm just providing solid talking point evidence to back up the exact same claim you're making: that socialism doesn't work.

No I am not. It's just a dumb thing to say. And the only reason people say this is because they are practising relativism. It's a very weak thing to say imho.

So could you say something like "because the liberals in the U.S. legislature bail them out with your tax dollars as they become insolvent so idiots can claim socialism works."?

But what if she consents tho?

"Trump's claim of CNN being fake news is baseless, and their response to it as such isn't really damage control."

aestetics as in body make up eg hair color skin color etc...

>The earth is 4.543 billion years old.

That's not a leftist argument, that's a scientist's argument and it's backed up with proof. Trying to deny that the Earth is much older than 6,000 or whatever dumb shit years old just outs you as a complete dipshit.

>A passage from the bible? How is this an argument? I don't believe in the bible, so are you able to provide an intelligent opinion without that?
Actually read it. That passage is saying "We encounter a lot of lazy busybodies who virtue signal instead of actually doing something with their lives unlike us but who think they are entitled to everything we are. So here's a maxim for them: if you don't work, you don't eat."

You don't have to profess Christ as Lord and see the truth in that passage, or in several passages. There's plenty of age-old wisdom and proverbs that don't need you to believe in God in order to find them true.

Also, you proved my point. That link is a satirical peice on how funny it is that those crying "muh FAKE NEWS" also are the types to claim there are no absolute truths.

*farts*

hahaha fight me irl faggot

sorry I didn't actually read your post

express.co.uk/news/world/753006/Gunman-Allahu-Akbar-Spain-Spanish-Supermarket-Mercadona-Gasoline-Gunpowder

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