when 99% of what Sup Forums talks about IS psychology?
Don't tell me you've been drinking the alt right coolaid of stupidity.
>inb4 le Sup Forums is one person
Hang yourslef
when 99% of what Sup Forums talks about IS psychology?
Don't tell me you've been drinking the alt right coolaid of stupidity.
>inb4 le Sup Forums is one person
Hang yourslef
The social sciences have been totally dominated and undermined by liberal ideology to the point where they ban research that challenges it. Psychology is interesting and all, but trying to look at studies that crossover into the field of politics is just retarded due to the inherent bias the researchers will have.
since its religion masquerading as science?
Psychology, like any field of study, is all a bunch of fraudulent lies except for the stuff that conveniently reaffirms your pre-existing biases.
>like any field of study, is all a bunch of fraudulent lies except for the stuff that conveniently reaffirms your pre-existing biases.
This is the dumbest post I've seen all day. What you are saying is that human behavior is impossible to observe. Which is utter shit
I don't, it's just that these days we have a good idea of how people act in situations and why they do things. As a discipline its circling the drain, and hopefully in 10 or 20 years we'll have a better understanding of the biological mechanisms.
>since its religion masquerading as science?
observing and finding patterns in human behavior is akin to religion? Ok... If all threads in which Sup Forums discussed human behavior were removed all that would be left on this board is BBC and other bait
...
Because people have blind faith in findings that often don't hold up under scrutiny, probably.
Solid example of what I'm talking about right here. It's a soft science that's gotten too soft.
>it's just that these days we have a good idea of how people act in situations and why they do things.
Absolute nonsense. We are just beginning to truly grasp human behavior and what in the brain is actually causing it. There is so so so much we still do not understand. And there will always be new environments in which we will need to see the resulting behavior you overconfident moron.
>observing and finding patterns in human behavior is akin to religion?
Yes, you might prefer to call it schizophrenia, logic would call it observation bias, if you are looking for patterns you will find them.
There's a lot of shit in psychology that's basically saying anti-conformism is mentally ill.
Take Breivik for example - there's piles and piles of reports that his mother abused him severely, and considered him some kind of evil force sent to destroy her. Lots of speculation about sexual abuse, at least she would climb into bed with him far beyond the infant stage.
In the psychological evaluation, he had lied to her mother about something, and they wrote that this was evidence about a personality disorder.
Yes, if your parents abuse you, and you lie to them, a duo of professional trained psychologists will say that the lie is a personality disorder.
(I actually read the report, it's the 2nd evaluation report).
What I said, seeing as your low IQ prevented you from engaging in basic reading comprehension, is that anybody can observe human behavior, but the only the observations that confirm our already existing red-pilled beliefs hold any scientific legitimacy.
>Solid example of what I'm talking about right here. It's a soft science that's gotten too soft.
>there are idiots who will believe anything
>because of this i say we throw out the entire field of study
>gosh aren't I so red pilled
>Because people have blind faith in findings that often don't hold up under scrutiny, probably.
Yes, let's stop studying human behavior because some idiots blindly believe everything they hear, good idea.
Jesus Christ do you inject the alt right cool aid via a dick directly into your ass
I always thought this concept was bullshit, dangerous animals don't dye their fucking hair or scales, it happens naturally. If all the crazy cunts were born with green or blue hair he'd be on to something.
It's completely retarded.
ITT: OP doesn't know the difference between sociology and psychology.
>social """science"""
the fact that Sup Forums is full of psychology is evidence that psychology is almost entirely misinformed retardation
So if we observe that when the vast majority of people get thirsty, they drink water. Is this a bias? Is this not true? Do most people not drink water when they are thirsty?
HA HA HA
Nobody rejects the entire field outright. Most people are just skeptical of the findings and conclusions that are drawn from these studies.
Sup Forums, like Milo, are trolls and agitators - if you prefer a fancy cunt label. We're not exactly looking for a debate, keks will do just fine. Therefore why let logic hold us back?
just graduated with a ba in psych. the field is decently redpilled for the most part, however i hate psychology because im an idiot and even though i knew i wouldnt get a job without at least a masters i got a ba in it anyway.
>cant differentiate behavioral and social science
WEW
Psychology isn't science, it's guess work.
You just go with what sounds the best.
The retarded strawman example in OP is correct. You can tell things about people by noticing a pattern. Does that mean psychology is legit and science? No.
>I always thought this concept was bullshit, dangerous animals don't dye their fucking hair or scales, it happens naturally
WHAT on earth?! Let's take this a bit slower for you, ok?
They don't cover themselves head to toe in tattoos and die their hair light lime green because they are "dangerous". They do it because they are mentally ill. Our society is mentally ill.
Yes Culligan Man, you would be biased, people can eat hydrating foods, drink milk, juice, soda, your mother likes strangers urine, and some fags even like soy.
because its right now dominated by leftists implementing retarded shit like saying that faggotry can't be fixed with therapy
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I never said we should stop studying human behavior. I just think we need to treat psychology findings with much more skepticism. These departments are ideologically monolithic (much more so than other college departments on average) which results in people not challenging results that appeal to their biases.
Here's another example of what I'm talking about: politico.com
hes right you know
studying psychology, I will used advanced red pillled knowledge to beat my competition and become a highly prestigious researcher, then I will contribute to Sup Forums by proving you guys right
>(((psychology)))
No thanks, I'll stick to the non fiction of my King James Bible.
>Sup Forums still thinks psychology is Freudian era and doesn't require empirical data
I understand why you guys hate it so much now
The Mind Freak Chris Angel did way better than you in life using silly magic tricks that he actually admits is deception.
no no no, you misunderstand. the field of psychology is currently upended with hipster sjw faggots with mommy and daddy issues. it's crazies leading crazies. psychology and the study of it is real. make sense stupid?
My psychology radar says you're a repressed homosexual
Checkmate
Psychologed
Psychology is not science, it's speculation all garbage, we know enough about the specific brain functions to assess human behavior, we can even pinpoint certain proteins and activated genes responsible for specific behaviors such as aggression in negroids. Neurology, Genetics and Anthropology combined has a margin of predictability a pseudoscience like psychology would never achieve. Psychology is closer to the scenic arts and women studies nowadays than actual science, which its not, and never has been
>tfw I get btfo at my own game
You're good
It's not a real science. I could easily lie about hearing voices in my head or have different cultural outlooks in order to have some pencil pusher to tell me that something is wrong with me.
>It's a soft science that's gotten too soft.
>That's gotten too soft
That sounded to me like he wants to get rid of it. Maybe not, I can't be sure.
Ok...?
>it's guess work.
Everything is guesswork besides math. Your Doctor makes the best educated guess about how to save a man that's been shot. He has no way of knowing the absolute best way, but he knows a way that should prove successful in the majority of cases.
>psychology and the study of it is real.
What is the empirical unit of measurement for the psyche or the soul?
>Everything is guesswork besides math. Your Doctor makes the best educated guess about how to save a man that's been shot. He has no way of knowing the absolute best way, but he knows a way that should prove successful in the majority of cases.
>what is neuropsychology
How in (current year) do people still think this is what psychology is
Ok bait poster, this is my last response to you. Let me change what I said just a bit
>So if we observe that when the vast majority of people get thirsty, they HYDRATE THEMSELVES. Is this a bias? Is this not true? Do most people not FIND A WAY TO HYDRATE THEMSELVES when they are thirsty?
I think sociology is a very important aspect of the scientific field, as mob mentality is generally easily seen and explainable.
The issue with psychology, is we've taken it to this extent were any issue a person has is instantly described as a mental disorder thats not their fault. Being unable to pay attention is a disability, being unable to find motivation is a disability, being unable to function on a basic level is psychology. It's not so much that I hate it as it is I find it something that people use to describe every one of their faults rather than take responsibility for themselves. And granted, many people do in fact have disorders that cause them issues, but when half the population has ADHD we have an issue with either diagnosis or what we actually call a disorder.
So frankly, I don't dislike sociology or psychology, I dislike the culture in these fields that feel it's necessary to jump to prescriptions rather than simply improving your character. I also dislike the general pretentiousness you find in the field, whereas people tend to think that they can completely judge a person just because they took a pysch class.
>what is neuropsychology
Cultural Marxist Garbage as far as 90% of Western Univerisites go
Well it's just a correlation so while it has its use, it isn't something you can make big declarative statements with. That'd require further work and hypothesis, and something that can be empirically tested, manipulated, and reproduced. The last point is something psychology really struggles with.
>this level of denial and paranoia
I bet you think vaccines cause autism too
Even neuropsychology comes this idea that our actions are already predetermined, guided by our genetics alone. There is a strong push in the field to disprove free will, with the 'proof' being that because some impulsive actions, such as answering a question right away, are already known in the subconscious before your mind has time to think. I wouldn't have an issue in the field if they actually tried to advance the science, but instead it's just mumbo-jumbo trying to disprove philosophy and religion (neither of which I really believe in to the extent most do). It's pseudo-science with very little evidence passed on as fact.
>Psychology
>soft sciences
RIP lad hope mcdicks will help you get out of debt
>I just think we need to treat psychology findings with much more skepticism.
Intelligent people already do this. The average dimwit will always go to their pop sci website and believe it all, who cares?
Are you being serious?
>it's speculation all garbage
You are saying the study of human behavior is impossible, which as I've already said is incredibly retarded
You're a fool
How is that related to psychology, what do you mean by most, and how do you account for all the alcoholics caffeine and sugar addicts who drink well before they actually get thirsty or the hard working people who wait way to long to drink or pee?
(((non-fiction)))
Its the name and definition of the word.
>strong push to disprove free will
Once again you're getting into old psychology, this is not at all how the field is today. To say that modern psychology, especially the bio/medical areas don't require as much data as any other medical/science field is asinine.
***PSYCHOLOGY IS REAL***
It is malleable and changes often depending on the individual.
Our ability to accurately calculate and understand a psychological profile (I believe) will come with the mapping and study of processes found in artificial intelligence.
bio/medical psychology is not existent. What you are liking speaking of is neurology which is entirely separate.
Behaviorism can be studied objectively, psychology is speculative garbage for pot smokers who couldn't get into med school and actually help the advancement of society and the sciences as a whole.
So you hate psychology because of the way it makes you feel. Your argument against the study of it is entirely an emotional one
That's fine, things do not have to be 100% known as fact in order to be useful to us. If that was the case we would be in big trouble when it comes to the way we round our numbers
I'm not a psychologist. Too many years in college and too little pay
>How is that related to psychology
Hydrating oneself is a behavior humans and most animals have, is it not? Observing behavior is the definition of psychology
>It is malleable and changes often depending on the individual.
The human mind is obviously complex and everyone is at least a bit unique when it comes to certain things. But patterns have been observed.
>neuropsychology
>psychiatry
>health psychology
>psychopharmacology
We simply have no need for psychology, psychology is, in simple terms, the modern day equivalent of phrenology. It's snake oil. Psychology is to neurology and psychiatry what astrology is to astronomy.
>Hydrating oneself is a behavior humans and most animals have, is it not? Observing behavior is the definition of psychology
How are you quantifying anything or applying the scientific method in any way and what psychology theory and/or metrics are you specifically referencing?
LEARN THE DEFINITION OF PSYCHOLOGY
>We simply have no need for psychology
We have no reason to understand human behavior??? Spoken like a true idiot. There are innumerable reasons.
You didn't read my first part did you? I dislike psychology because it's not trying to help anyone, it's a field of people trying to find excuses for why people act like assholes rather than finding solutions to actual disorders. It's a field full of pill pushers, who would rather diagnose you with ADHD than tell you you need to just pay attention.
Neuropyschology is just an extra layer of bullshit where the mis-represent facts in order to prove a pointless point.
I'd refer to all of that as psychology, because that's what it is. The treatment of mental disorders. I'm not saying it lacks ANY use, I'm just saying the field is full of retards in it for the wrong reasons.
>arguing with someone that would probably have difficulty in a mass communications class
I don't even know why I'm still bothering
There's nothing inherently wrong wth psychology.
But it's a fact that it has been heavily influenced by Jews (especially psychoanalysis) like Freud, and because of its subjective nature, it was and can be used to push certain agendas and ideas. Psychology often ignores or at best mimics the scientific method, and like all social sciences is heavily dictated by politics.
That doesn't invalidate the field, but it makes suspicion and criticism of it even more justified.
Evolutionary psychology is especially helpful, but psychology remains one of the fields where almost every contribution has to be taken with a grain of salt.
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>>Jewish involvement in psychoanalysis was apparent from its inception. It was often referred to as the "Jewish science." In 1906, all 17 members of the psychoanalysis movement at that time were Jewish. In a 1971 study, Henry, Sims and Spray found that 62.1% of their sample of American psychoanalysts identified themselves as having a Jewish cultural affinity. As you can see, the field was founded by and has been dominated by Jewish thinkers.
>While Freud was not religious, he had a very strong Jewish identity. In a 1931 letter, he described himself as "a fanatical Jew" and by this time became strongly sympathetic with Zionism. In a 1935 interview with Joseph Wortis, Freud revealed his feelings of Jewish superiority. Freud commented that he viewed gentiles as prone to "ruthless egoism," whereas Jews had a superior family and intellectual life. Wortis then asked Freud if he viewed Jews as a superior people. Freud replied: "I think nowadays they areā¦ When one thinks that 10 or 12 of the Nobel winners are Jews, and when one thinks of their other great achievements in the sciences and in the arts, one has every reason to think them superior."
>Freud conceived of himself as a leader in a war against Gentile culture. He had a great deal of hostility towards Western culture and the Catholic Church.
>Freud viewed himself as belonging to an "alien race" at war with Rome and the Catholic Church, a central institution of Western Culture.
>>Hydrating oneself is a behavior humans and most animals have, is it not? Observing behavior is the definition of psychology
>How are you quantifying anything or applying the scientific method in any way and what psychology theory and/or metrics are you specifically referencing?
Gather 1,000,000 people.
Make them not drink for 2 days.
On the third day put a big glass of water in front of them and see what they do.
And repeat.
evo psych is 100% false
>once again someone cannot differentiate behavioral and social science
>it's not trying to help anyone
Hahahaha you've drowned my friend
Good one. Talking to you is like talking with a brick.
Jews use money, better burn all you money
>arguing over semantics
>"read the definition of feminism user!"
Kek. Such an emotional response, but objectively speaking, The natural sciences are the single best way to observe, study and analyze reality and the world around us with the use of empiricism and the scientific method.
>prove me wrong
>you can't
Check who you're quoting my dude
>We have no reason to understand human behavior???
The psyche is recontextualizing the soul, most religions claim to understand human behavior, but just like psychology, they fail to physically quantify it with consistent metrics that hold up to peer review and changing social attitudes over time well enough to follow the scientific method coherently.
that's what you think, shitskin nerd
scientific method is false and doesn't mean anything
meaningless word
Science is a sacred cow that must be destroyed.
suck it, fucker
The concept of psychology is real, but the depths they're reaching for are becoming endless loops of horseshit.
Psychology is just a bunch of yids trying to pathologize normality.
>Thinks correlation is causation
Even a real doctor knows not to draw conclusions that hastily.
Psychology uses empirical science and the scientific method
You seem to believe statistical analysis isn't effective and that it's no use to measure things if they are sensitive to time.
It has come a long way since Freud and it st
I'll has a long way to go.
>behavioral and social science
Social interaction is behavior
>Kek. Such an emotional response
You said it, it must be true!
Sorry, it doesn't work that way. The literal deficiency of psychology is the study of behavior. Meanwhile you're over here giving it some made up definition. You're the one using semantics
I am not the one making claims, why are putting the burden of proof onto me, aren't you suppose to be backing up your position with proven empirical psychology?
If you give them all nothing to drink and only let them eat soup for 2 days, they might look at it a bit ill from diarrhea and over-hydration and want nothing to do with it.
its not hard to Google the difference between social and behavioral sciences
Kindly throw away your computer and go live in the jungle with yur pot smoking friends. Since psychologists have literally nothing to contribute to our understanding of the world since their ideas cannot survive basic scrutiny
hur dur fuck off retard.
>The psyche is recontextualizing the soul, most religions claim to understand human behavior, but just like psychology, they fail to physically quantify it with consistent metrics that hold up to peer review and changing social attitudes over time well enough to follow the scientific method coherently.
Please go on
Are you fucking me Sven ?
I don't have an issue with psychology based on observation.
What I have an issue with is modern psychology that's based almost entirely on women with sheltered lives who are more concerned about people being "comfortable" than being productive or happy in the long-term, who then make "theories" completely out of their ass, that have very little to do with reality, no data to back it up, but they just keep trying to force their idealistic scenarios to be successful and twist the interpretations of studies accordingly.
Sounds more like biology than psychology.
KEK
Great bait my friend. Here are some shekels
They can make up whatever they like but with no data to back it up it'll never get published meaning nobody will ever see it. Kinda nullifies your concerns
Seeks to pathologize natural human behaviours like territorial violence and withdrawal from undesirable situations.
And nowadays when the learning and development of a person has been stunted by trauma, instead of seeking to repair their psyche through care they are often simply medicated to make them easier to deal with.
Psychology is an inhuman institution.
>You seem to believe statistical analysis isn't effective and that it's no use to measure things if they are sensitive to time.
Statistics are meaningless if the metrics being analyzed are irreducible subjective nonsense, you could collect all sorts of numbers based on thetan counts as measured by a certified auditor and produce fancy graphs and equations, but its still just some Scientologist making up a number just to play games with numbers that can help manipulate naive people.
I finished a bachelor of psych (thesis and all) and got no job out of it.
So yeah...Fuck psylology
>no argument
>you're a Jew
10/10 classic Sup Forums
Sometimes medicine is the only thing that can give these people any form of relief. Which means you're no longer complaining about psychology, but the field of psychiatry
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How do you objectively observe human behavior when the observer is human?
>I am not the one making claims, why are putting the burden of proof onto me, aren't you suppose to be backing up your position with proven empirical psychology?
>If you give them all nothing to drink and only let them eat soup for 2 days, they might look at it a bit ill from diarrhea and over-hydration and want nothing to do with it.
Sorry buddy but it's common knowledge that it is normal human behavior to hydrate oneself when you are dehydrated.
To argue against this is as stupid as arguing that the earth doesn't go around the sun.
Fuck off kike
Behavior is related/caused to/by biology, so that makes sense
>Statistics are meaningless if the metrics being analyzed are irreducible subjective nonsense
Says the person who goes on and on about the soul. Don't be a hypocrite
>Seeks to pathologize natural human behaviours like territorial violence and withdrawal from undesirable situations.
Any useful thing can be co opted
It is nothing but subjective qualification masquerading as objective quantification.
I agree, the deficiency of psychology is studying behavior. Because it lacks objectiveness and basic understanding of the world which is why we have neurology and genetics, ideas that actually do stand up to scrutiny and have basis in objective reality rather than subjective unquantifiable concepts subject to an authors own bias, psychology is modern day phrenology, it is literally snake oil for grown up children. Willing full ignorance is not a virtue, it is degeneracy, join the real sciences user,
>irreducible subjective nonsense
Good thing things like this will never see the light of day in publication, because the modern field of psychology doesn't allow for it
>How do you objectively observe human behavior when the observer is human?
>being human means it's impossible to observe another human objectively
Really? That is nonsense
>Sorry buddy but it's common knowledge that it is normal human behavior to hydrate oneself when you are dehydrated.
No, its conditioning and education, people get dry skin, kidney stones and early kidney failure all the time from not hydrating properly.
Even if you assume everybody acts ideally to hydrate themselves, what does it specifically have to do with psychology when the bible clearly explains how people are thirsty because god made them that way?