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let a black man have my wife

Leftypol all the way

Nigger.

What does leftypol think about niggers? Could we find a common ground in exterminating them?

Send my neigbours to gulag since they didint greet me in the morning

no we can't. we're humanists

> 'Money' is hot and blonde with big tits.

Really convinced me. Should have stuck with the fat white man with a cigar.

>Southern slavery was funded by the jew
>Sup Forums supports dixies
>Nazi germany was a way for the rothschilds throw working class jews under the bus so they themselves could get more power
>Sup Forumssupports this
>Information that communism/socalism is "Jewish" despite zero evidence aside from very obvious plants of information
>Right wingism supports the jewish way of life more and most right wingers in power are blatantly jewish supporting corporatism and less pay and calling it "conservatism"
>Sup Forumssupports this

Wall street jews funded the bolshevik revolution and basically industrialized the country.
reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/


Also dialectical materialism is pseudoscience. lmao

Also
>doesnt believe in globalizing
>all go to a single board and speak english with one another despite being from different countries

Remember guys.

Marxists ACTUALLY believe every single human emotion and behavior is the result of capitalism and if we simply change the "mode of production" people will dramatically change, making socialism possible.

It's like they have no fucking idea how evolution or the human brain works.

I can't believe these people even exist.

Fuck off my country you cunt.

Looks like we only agree on killing leftists then.

Why is only 1 worker doing the work of crashing the capitalist party?

What happened to the other workers?

made toothpaste angry

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The jew told them to go to work and keep busy and dont think about them getting to do nothing else in life besides work for less.

>BUT IT HASN'T BEEN TRIED IN THE RIGHT COUNTRIES

Physically Remove all Leftists

muh 10 trillion killed

Kek

I woke up before midday.

Go me! :)

Really makes ya think.

I'm in Sup Forums, so not like I expect any kind of intelligent discussion, but let's try.

>It's like they have no fucking idea how evolution or the human brain works.

Ok. So evolution. We know evolution, we know how it works on large and also shorter scales of times. Humans are animals so humans are subject to evolution. Societies are constructed out of millions of humans, so in the end evolution is to explain society.

Now consider a ball rolling down a plane. We know that the ball is made out of molecules, which are made out of atoms, which are made out of electrons and nuclei, which eventually are made out of nucleons, which are made out of up and down quarks. We know the Standard Model, which up to these describes perfectly the elementary interactions of quarks and electrons. I can write in two lines the lagrangian which describe these interactions.

Technically, at least theoretically, we might (and I'm not even sure) write some kind of mega-lagrangian for the ball from its most elementary constituents. But we don't know how to solve that. We literally can't.

It's not only that we're killing flies with a cannon (which we are), is that we literally don't know how to make such a computation: going from the most elementary knowledge we know in Physics to a macroscopic ball, without making *approximations* and *assumptions*.

Because we have Chemistry, which is a whole field based on *approximating* elementary Physics.

So, back to evolution. If we are scientifically honest, we just CAN'T say that human societies are "explained" by evolution, just because we can't go from the ape to capitalism just via evolution being HONEST and Scientific about it. We need to make assumptions, approximations, to go from the material conditions of existence of humans to an EFFECTIVE THEORY of Society.

Now, maybe you don't like Marxism as an effective theory of society made of individuals. You clearly don't understand shit about it, but that's ok.

(continues)
But PLEASE, don't come with the "we know how evolution and brain works and sheit" because it's just not honest scientifically. Come with a different model of macroscopic human relationships, but don't include natural science at this level because it's complete bullshit.

Holy shit what a fucking wall of text.

kys lefty

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>this fuckin nigga overthinking everything
>this fuckin nigga denying human instincts

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What revolution?

>Technically, at least theoretically, we might (and I'm not even sure) write some kind of mega-lagrangian for the ball from its most elementary constituents. But we don't know how to solve that. We literally can't.
>It's not only that we're killing flies with a cannon (which we are), is that we literally don't know how to make such a computation: going from the most elementary knowledge we know in Physics to a macroscopic ball, without making *approximations* and *assumptions*.
Okay.
What does this have to do with the marxist denial of human instincts(extremely well established science) and the marxist denial of neuroscience(extremely well established science)?

Do you think you are not your brain or something?

>we just CAN'T say that human societies are "explained" by evolution
Yes we can, there's an entire field that does this.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology

>just because we can't go from the ape to capitalism just via evolution being HONEST and Scientific about it.
It's not just evolution. Culture and how human children are raised definitely plays a big role.

>You clearly don't understand shit about it
Yes, yes I do.

Not overthinking. Just literally thinking. Explaining everything by muh instincts is not only pure ideology, it's just like claiming we understand completely the brain because it works via electric currents and we understand Quantum Electrodynamics. Not saying impulses don't play a role, but we need to start the study from a top-bottom approach, not the other way around, because we literally don't know how to do the bottom-top approach.

revolution cancelled mom took away my allowance

You ever want to feel the feel of winning?

not sure you wanna be using that image 2bh OP

>pure ideology
AHAHAHAH
OH WOW IT'S A ZIZEK LOVING MARXIST THAT THINKS HIS IDEOLOGY ISN'T AN IDEOLOGY

>it's just like claiming we understand completely the brain
we don't understand it completely
We understand it enough to KNOW HOW it developed human cultures.

>because it works via electric currents and we understand Quantum Electrodynamics.
What does this have to do with anything?
We know the brain is a complex computer which behaves in a certain way.

>because we literally don't know how to do the bottom-top approach.
People are already doing this lmao.
Marxism is a joke.

>Marxists ACTUALLY believe every single human emotion and behavior is the result of capitalism and if we simply change the "mode of production" people will dramatically change, making socialism possible.
>Yes, yes I do.
Maybe some retard Marxists thinks that way, but definetly not Marx and definetly not any kind of smart Marxist. At least since Gramsci with the concept of hegemony, the simplistic view "change of structure=>change of superstructure" is not accepted anymore.

>Yes we can, there's an entire field that does this.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology
Good for them. In Psychology as a field you're gonna find all possibilities, including people claiming to be able to do this step. And, in any case, this is the step from evolution as humans to *Psychology*, so to the formation of individuals. Even if we understood completely the brain (not denying neuroscience, nobody does, and does who do are retards), that doesn't mean we can imply from there how a society of millions work. There are emergent effects. I don't think it's hard to get.
>just because we can't go from the ape to capitalism just via evolution being HONEST and Scientific about it.
>It's not just evolution. Culture and how human children are raised definitely plays a big role.
But why deny that other material conditions, like literally the way we produce the means to live, might play a role which might be even bigger than those, and definetly would have a strong influence on how culture and the way kids are raised is established? Not saying it's a deterministic theory (other kind of retard Marxism), but it just looks from a naïf point of view much more relevant than evolution, mainly because the production system works on time scales which are by far closer to human time scales than evolution.

Compulsory leftypol reading material.

We did and it overcame us.
Now were pros in losing and self loathing.

Eh.
MORE?!?

Of course Marxism is an ideology. Jesus Christ.

>What does this have to do with anything?
>We know the brain is a complex computer which behaves in a certain way.

Yes. But we don't try to explain it from its more basic constituents, because we wouldn't be fucking able to solve it. I'm claiming that trying to explain society and its changes from how the human brain and evolution functions is a similar thing: we need approximations and assumptions in order to make any sense out of it, at least for the moment.

>People are already doing this lmao.

Good, of course, we need to get there eventually. But we haven't. By far. Up to this moment it mostly only serves as an a posteriori justification of liberalism. That's what I mean by "pure ideology": not by saying Marxism is out of ideology (that would be retarded), but by saying that the use of science in this kind of debates is used only for an ideological justification purpose.

jk i love germany and its a shame war had to happen. and its a shame islam is destroying your nation and culture. and yes this is coming from a leftie/socalist.
Islam is bad news for you guys.

I am trying to REDpill people.

>but definetly not Marx
Absolutely marx believed this shit. It's what dialectical materialism was all about.

>Gramsci
Embarrassing.

>the simplistic view "change of structure=>change of superstructure" is not accepted anymore.
Countless marxists still believe this.

>that doesn't mean we can imply from there how a society of millions work.
Evolutionary psychology is just one tool of learning how society was formed and functions today.

>like literally the way we produce the means to live, might play a role
It probably plays a small role but doesn't change humans much. People in the USSR and maoist china were just as greedy. You can't change human nature.

>and definetly would have a strong influence on how culture and the way kids are raised is established?
How exactly?

HAs been since the 50s.
Thats when your country started to force us to start this fucking guest worker programm with thousands over thousands of anatolian mountain turks.

if you saw pics of cologne or düsseldorf or Bonn from the 60s or 70s. and compare them to now, completly different places. Doesnt look really german anymore except a few old buildings that werent bombed to rubble.

i thought about ways why french should still exist - to keep the revolution alive.

city of lights, paris - yeah, suck on my dick.

>has no problem with murdering 150 million people
>it suddenly becomes an issue if the victims are exclusively black

Commies everyone

>Wrote 12 hatemails to left wing politicians and journalist.
>Called the Caritas and yelled for half an hour at different call center slaves about how they are traitors.
>On the way to the get some food I spit on a hadji kid and said it is worth nothing.
Match me

>But we don't try to explain it from its more basic constituents, because we wouldn't be fucking able to solve it.
No shit.


>I'm claiming that trying to explain society and its changes from how the human brain and evolution functions is a similar thing
But you'd be wrong. Trying to explain how the things like emotion and cognition work by only using concepts like subatomic particles and energy is retarded.
Trying to understand how society works by how we know the brain works is much simpler than that and is very helpful.

You know what is retarded though, trying to explain society though dumb concepts like "classes".

>But we haven't. By far.
We've done a far better job doing it this way than marxism has.
Marxism is a joke and fails to explain everything. Why do they get it wrong all of the time?

>but by saying that the use of science in this kind of debates is used only for an ideological justification purpose.
This is bad why?

>Gramsci
>Embarrassing.
>It probably plays a small role but doesn't change humans much. People in the USSR and maoist china were just as greedy. You can't change human nature.

Err, it's ok that you don't like Gramsci, but that was the point of cultural hegemony. Maybe you disagree with the analysis, or might say that it's all bullshit and still everything is cause by human nature, but it's there.

>Countless marxists still believe this.

Well, that's their problem. And the problem of big chunks of the left still (although I'd say that nowadays most of the cancer of some """leftists""" is the contrary, believing that we can just change ideology without changing material conditions - as do liberal faggots in USA).

>How exactly?

Say the Neolithic. When people stopped being nomads and established in a single place, social interactions and structures changed and were born because of the change in production, which now was through agriculture. I think you will agree, and it's not a complicated example.

Trust me even as a leftie i see this.
dont at all support it.

I paid my taxes: a portion of which will be given to some nigger's children because their mother cannot work and they've never met their father.

>what have you done to help the revolution today?

Helping to debunk communism and teaching people that a right wing transitional dictatorship and eventual free market, free society capitalism is the best path to human advancement.

Tough job (and I do it for free) but I keep saving 1 soul at a time. I day at a time.

I imagine the blonde chick doing me with a strap on. Am I doing it right?

Reminder that Marx was a jobless Jew fag loser

>Trying to understand how society works by how we know the brain works is much simpler than that and is very helpful.

>You know what is retarded though, trying to explain society though dumb concepts like "classes".

Ok, now we are getting somewhere. This is the debate. A debate about predictions, not a posteriori justifications.

>This is bad why?

I re-state: scientific facts are thrown in sociological and economical debates as if explaining things, when what is being done is extrapolate individual behaviours to sociological ones.

>Im a nixion puppet
>gib me money usa

Are you economically left or socially left? I am ecomically left so I want to close borders. The Alt Right have far more in common with economic leftism these days.

>When people stopped being nomads and established in a single place, social interactions and structures changed and were born because of the change in production

People act different when situations change. People will do what benefits them. What does this have to do with anything? This concept doesn't only apply to "material conditions".

The fact you can jump from this to thinking socialism/communism will magically turn humans into selfless people that share everything is hilariously retarded.

Same thing we do every day, Pinkstein. Subvert the goyim.

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EAT SHIT AND DIE UNTERMENSCH!

Haven't seen a funny commieball in a long time. Here's a (you), user.

>scientific facts are thrown in sociological and economical debates as if explaining things
But they do explain things.

Human instincts and emotions explain a lot about society.

Marxism can't explain society and gets it wrong all of the time.

See, just more proof jews hate communism because it causes them to lose control. smfh

>dirty rightwingers trying to inject science into my discussion about marxist sociology

>People act different when situations change.

>People will do what benefits them.

Have you read "The Great Transformation" by Karl Polanyi? Honest question, I think it's very interesting, and the guy it's not exactly a Marxist. Some of the first chapters are devoted to analyze anthropological findings to fight this "people will do what benefits" them idea. At least understood as people being just greedy; of course people are not gonna be suicidial or anything, but still.

>The fact you can jump from this to thinking socialism/communism will magically turn humans into selfless people that share everything is hilariously retarded.

I agree. Of course. And it's extremely important to know it. I guess you also know that in Leninism, Socialism is a mid-step towards Communism. I mean, again, you can laugh at this idea and not like it, that's ok, but don't make dialectical tricks. If we were to have a (real) socialist society tomorrow somewhere, people will have *exactly* the same behaviours as nowadays. Or even worse because of some crisis, or war, or shit. But communism is a classless society. People wouldn't be self-less, and people wouldn't share everything. But >we consider that many things would be better, yes.

Again, you might not agree with the idea, and just laugh and meme at it, but come on.

>jews hate communism because it causes them to lose control
This level of delusion... Keep it up, comrade.

Well, I'm a Particle Phycisist, so in general I run from most people when they throw >Science at me, unless they're experts on the field.

Are you stupid? Capitalism is the result of every single human emotion and behavior. It's why it works so well and why socialism and communism will never work.

>When capitalism gave you your jewish state and you benefit most of capitalism
>When you have right wingers fooled using reverse phycology
>comrade stallin would of never let the west get away with this....

But...in the USSR they thought they had socialism, and in the Eastern Block countries, for 70 years, their system was the result of every single human emotion and behaviour. the same way Capitalism in XVIII Manchester was.

I mean, a posteriori it's easy to say "lol they were so stupid", but don't you think that it's a bit weak as an argument?

>i'm a scientist
>i know a thing or two about science
>so let me start off by rejecting arguments based on science with appeal to authority fallacies
Fucking gommies, I swear... your lack of self-awareness is a inexhaustible fountain of unintentional comedy.

XVIII century Manchester sorry.

Ok.

>See goyem look at these made up people i'm claiming as jews!
>silly goyem you better go right wing
>stallins name meant "son of jew"
>TRUST ME GOYEM!!

This is actually true in my country
There is a far right branch of politics called the "jobbik" which is filled with Jews faggots and the head is a coke addicted shitbag who doesn't even believe his own shit
Its sad

>I mean, again, you can laugh at this idea and not like it, that's ok
I laugh at it because dialectical materialism is pseudoscience. Read the 2 images I posted.

>But communism is a classless society.
It's hypothetical and impossible.

>>we consider that many things would be better, yes.
How would many things be better? The average persons material wealth would be much less than if they lived under a free market.

Why do you people think you will have more things like food, houses, cars, phones etc etc?

Are the capitalists magically preventing you from having it?

2/3 of abortions in US are black.
Margaret Sanger(founder, plannedparenthood) was a eugenicist
The left has more common ground on this point than you realize

You write all this scientific shit about the molecular structure of a ball and miss the most effectual human instinct pertaining to societal/economic structure: humans (as do all living creatures) instinctually wish to gain the most resources with the least effort. Any economic/societal structure which allows this to happen will fail. Capitalism works better than other structures because it rewards the most effort with the most resources.

"They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work" - Some Soviet worker before he became an incredibly poor Russian peasant.

Don't overthink it. Economics really isn't that complicated.

OY VEY GOYIM
GOOD GOY

>Ok.
That's what I expected. "Scientists" like you unironically think that appeals to authority are valid logical arguments. Well, by your logic, everyone should reject your "sociological" arguments, because you're not a certified expert in social "science" arguments as far as anyone here knows.

That's the most stupid thing I've read in a while.
Thank you for the chuckle.

>denial of human instincts

I think if most people here on Sup Forums just followed their instincts they'd be in jail by now.

Society>Instincts

>Are the capitalists magically preventing you from having it?

Not magically. Structurally. For most people in the world. Yes.

We're not gonna agree from here, so it doesn't make sense to keep discussing.

Doesn't matter. Communism or socialism will never work. Humans are too short sighted and greedy and eventually someone in power will ruin it.

Usul, retourne dans ta chambre!

However every communist country has had a black market. As the free market is truly organic to human nature, the black market represents the free market when it is being repressed. Just as when the government tries to stop the exchange of sexual services for some form of payment, a black market of prostitution forms. Communism did not represent every human emotion and behavior. The soviet economists tried to anticipate the incentives of its population which is impossible to do as of yet.

>implying it's untrue that a hugely disproportionate number of the revolutionaries in Russia were Jews
I'm not even sure if you're trolling or if I'm just witnessing the usual gommie ignorance.

>you're not going to agree with my gommie assertions so it doesn't make sense to keep discussing
This is why gommies always have to resort to mass-scale murder and tyranny. Nothing you say makes sense, nothing you say can be backed up with rational arguments, so you have force people into it.

>implying they arent just working class jews that the elite class of jews tries to use as folder to them take the blame for things unknowingly like when they gave hitler permission to kill Rothschild jewish rivals.
Which were working class jews and competitors.

i siezed my means of reproduction
three times

>Well, by your logic, everyone should reject your "sociological" arguments, because you're not a certified expert in social "science" arguments as far as anyone here knows.

Fair point.

>"Scientists" like you unironically think that appeals to authority are valid logical arguments.

Maybe I'm a retard (very likely), but, isn't that the other way around? When people throw around Science mambo jambo usually is done in an appeal to authority, right?

As I stated before, my problem is the misuse of neuroscience and biology. When I said I run away from people talking about Science it's mostly because of my usual experience of philosophers and others talking about Quantum Mechanics and shit. So sorry, was just a personal reflex.

>implying jews working class gommie hitler something for things blame unknowingly rothschild rothschild rothschild
>it wasn't the jews because the jews who jewed the slavs weren't real jews
Nothing you're saying makes actual sense. Nice trolling attempt.

I'll take over for him. What were you discussing?

>Structurally
But they're not though.
The capitalists consume/own an exponentially small amount of consumer goods compared to what the entire working class owns.

If you took every last thing from the capitalists worldwide and spread it amongst everyone else

Do you think capitalism or liberalism was implemented in South America or Africa without mass-scale or tyranny? Do you think people are somehow "convinced" into an economic system?

But ok, human nature, capitalism is more naturals, niggers mostly killed each other, there is no capitalism in those countries, etc, I know the drill.

>Do you think capitalism or liberalism was implemented in South America or Africa without mass-scale or tyranny?

Aren't the countries in africa that have been colonized the most successful compared to the rest of africa?

It's not a matter of consumer goods, it's a matter of means of production. Of wage labour. Of salary.

Come on, you know that's the marxist analysis, don't come with redistributing memes.

>When people throw around Science mambo jambo usually is done in an appeal to authority
That's a complete non-sequitur, and you don't really get to simply assert that it's "mumbo jumbo" just because you don't like it.

>my problem is the misuse of neuroscience and biology
You don't just get to assert that it's a "misuse" because you don't like the consequences for your ideology.