Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
youtube.com/watch?v=YqX7umXVNDQ
youtube.com/watch?v=-b2iE1giHzw&spfreload=10
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

>>>/leftypol/

this fucking guy

Go away, you and your failed ideology are not welcome here

sage

Hi comrade

A great place

Why comrade? I'm not your enemy unless you are a capitalist.

get the fuck out of here

Viva Franco

>not being a genocidal faggot
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

The Gulag Archipelago (Russian: Apхипeлaг ГУЛAГ, Arkhipelag GULAG) is a book by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn about the Soviet forced labor camp system. The three-volume book is a narrative relying on eyewitness testimony and primary research material, as well as the author's own experiences as a prisoner in a gulag labor camp. Written between 1958 and 1968, it was published in the West in 1973 and, thereafter, circulated in samizdat (underground publication) form in the Soviet Union until its appearance in the Russian literary journal, Novy Mir, in 1989, in which a third of the work was published over three issues

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So what?

Franco is dead.

Compared to mass starvation under tzar?

Get helicoptered.

>DUDE IT DOESN'T MATTER LOL

This is why real people hate you

>Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
Why should a return to feudalism be a goal to aspire to?
You communists need to spend less time coming up with grand systems to control people, it would do you a world of good.

>mass starvation under tzar
>the tzarist ever managed to fuck up the food supply so bad

Stalin was a tzar.
So is Putin.

You will soon be dead too

Not feudalism.

A communist society would free individuals from long working hours by first automating production to an extent that the average length of the working day is reduced and second by eliminating the exploitation inherent in the division between workers and owners. A communist system would thus free individuals from alienation in the sense of having one's life structured around survival (making a wage or salary in a capitalist system), which Marx referred to as a transition from the "realm of necessity" to the "realm of freedom." As a result, a communist society is envisioned as being composed of an intellectually-inclined population with both the time and resources to pursue its creative hobbies and genuine interests, and to contribute to creative social wealth in this manner. Karl Marx considered "true richness" to be the amount of time one has at his or her disposal to pursue one's creative passions. Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.

Marx's concept of the "realm of freedom" goes hand-in-hand with Marx's idea of the ending of the division of labor, which would not be required in a society with highly automated production and limited work roles.

In a communist society, economic necessity and relations would cease to determine cultural and social relations. As scarcity is eliminated,alienated labor would cease and people would be free to pursue their individual goals.

>Not feudalism.
Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with Communism in practice before you attempt any more internet declamation

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Please form an argument, instead of just copy-pasting something from your books mate.

>exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need

Nobody here wants bread lines. You hate meritocracy because you were a loser in high school. Blame the man in the mirror for your inadequacies , not the system.

Great abundance --> no bread lines

Slide thread. Just sage and move along.

Hi comrade why do you say that?

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Over the last century, capitalism has repeatedly revealed its worst tendencies: instability and inequality. Instances of instability include the Great Depression (1929-1941) and the Great Recession since 2008, plus eleven "downturns" in the US between those two global collapses. Each time, millions lost jobs, misery soared, poverty worsened and massive resources were wasted. Leaders promised that their "reforms" would prevent such instability from recurring. Those promises were not kept. Reforms did not work or did not endure. The system was, and remains, the problem.

Inequality likewise proved to be an inherent trend of capitalism. Only occasionally and temporarily did opposition from its victims stop or reverse it. Income and wealth inequalities have worsened in almost every capitalist country since at least the 1970s. Today we have returned to the huge 19th-century-sized gaps between the richest 1 percent and everyone else. Rescuing the "disappearing middle class" has become every aspiring politician's slogan. Extreme inequality infects all of society as corporations and the rich, to protect their positions, buy the politicians, mass media and other cultural forms that are for sale.

Yes! It worked in soviet Russia, it's working in Venezuela, it'll work anywhere! What a fag.

I have learned the truth, comrades! Comrade Stalin has erased the old order of rootless cosmopolitanism, of Judeo-Bolshevism! He successfully purged Mother Russia of the eternal Jew and rescued his country from the internationalist usurpers! We need no longer prostrate ourselves before the flawed doctrines of good goys and finance capitalists: the way forward is clear! We must embrace the cause of socialism in one country, away with these Trotskyites! "World revolution" is nothing more than globalism, and globalism is nothing more than world revolution. They are one in the same, all financed by (((Wall Street Bankers))), all lining the pockets of racist rich Jews worldwide! It's time to wake up, comrades!

Fuck off and die, you fucking faggot

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Reporting in comrade

Why do you keep coming? Your daily thread is a failure. Your friends have abandonned you. Everyone here despises you. You deliver your message and everyone spites on you.

Do you cry at night? Knowing that your daily thread has died and you'll have to post it again?

What is your purpose? To be mocked at? Do you enjoy it? This place will never change its mind. YOU will change first, if you haven't already.

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We're here user, lurking in the shadows, subverting your shitty board in every thread. Much progress has been made already in the name of communism, but it's only the beginning. You think Sup Forums is safe? Think again porky. The wheels of revolution have been set in motion, and they cannot be stopped. At any moment a hundred or more of us are subtly shoving the true red pill down your throats, and you don't even know it. Consider this your warning user. Your retarded fallacious arguments and identity politics will no longer protect you.

Good bread

>subverting
>progress
>only the beginning
>You think Sup Forums is safe?
>cannot be stopped
>true red pill
>Consider this your warning

>hahaha communism grows stronger because we make irrelevant posts and threads! Sup Forumstards will never recover!
Grow the fuck up Chris

>even if this happens you'll still starve to death because communism is literally goy-slavery

holy shit Trudeau was actually right
>if you kill us, we win

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Wow I'm literally shaking.

When you get up to take a shit /leftypol/'s board population dips by 25%

fuck you

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communism will never work here because it isn't funny

Nazism/the holocaust is funny and you can make tons of memes from it which people see as "just a joke" at first but then find themselves subconsciously agreeing with it.

Communist humor/memes only work on people who "get" it (AKA other communists) "gas le jews" is pure humor and not something you have to "get" like "seize le memes of production"

t. neutral lolbert observer

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>Marxist-Lenninism is the only form of left-wing economics and politics.

>Marxist-Lenninism is the only form of left-wing economics and politics.

>Marxist-Lenninism is the only form of left-wing economics and politics.

>Marxist-Lenninism is the only form of left-wing economics and politics.

Also, so what? Is a pretty fair response, there were gulags, this does not mean every form of left-wing politics would lead to gulags. Lenin was very harsh against dissent, and Stalin picked up after him the same harshness. This is a tangential argument towards Communism, because not every attempt to implement Communism has to involve a violent revolution and then a totalitarian state-capitalist government.

/failedstate/ general

Can you mention a communist state that did not have a violent start?

First off, "communist state" is an oxymoron.

Second off, none yet, peaceful revolution takes significantly longer than violent revolution. If you kill all your enemies, then you are finished, in peaceful revolution, you need to convince all your enemies that they are incorrect. Some will never be convinced and you will literally have to wait for them to die.

So why hasn't it happened yet? Also censorship, no freedom of movement, repression of differing political views. Why does this always happen. You can say how it doesn't have to be that way all you want, but why does it always end up that way?

>So why hasn't it happened yet?
Peaceful revolution takes longer than violent revolution, the USSR did more long-term damage to socialism than actual help, because it was such a shitty country, which leads to everyone assuming "that is what socialism actually is". This is why you'll find even a lot of left-wing people who hate Marxist-Leninism and the USSR. Peaceful revolution is most likely going to happen through democracy, but the issue with democracy is that it is based on the will of the people, and if the people don't understand what something is, they won't vote for it. It also sucks because democracy is dependent on how vocal people are, and a lot of people who are vocal about socialism are fucking idiots. I don't care about if socialism is more "fair", and I don't think capitalists are "greedy" (greed is probably the third-most misunderstood marxist term, right under "private property" and "communism" itself) but the most vocal people will argue for socialism in such a manner. All of this puts the concept at a huge disadvantage.

>Also censorship, no freedom of movement, repression of differing political views.
This is because Lenin had to keep everything stable, then other attempts at socialist states followed suit.

>You can say how it doesn't have to be that way all you want, but why does it always end up that way?
For the previously mentioned reasons, it is a LOT easier to have a violent revolution, just convince enough people to kill all your opposition.

But the USSR lasted long enough for more than one generation to be completely indoctrinated through school and it still did not happen. The people still wanted an end to communism, why is this? And if there is no "state" under communism just autonomous collectives why would they stick together?

marx=jew=white genocide
commies btfo

>But the USSR lasted long enough for more than one generation to be completely indoctrinated through school and it still did not happen.
Because that generation grew up without any food? You can't really indoctrinate someone to ignore that.

>And if there is no "state" under communism just autonomous collectives why would they stick together?
What do you mean by "why would they stick together"? Once every single form of production is made automatic, then there would be nothing else to do work on (well, besides mental labor, which would last a while longer until AI reaches a certain point of intelligence) At this point there is less and less of a need for government, because what purpose would it serve? Roads/infrastructure can just be printed, technology would probably be able to make crime impossible, and the vast majority of people wouldn't even want to commit crime, because everyone has abundance.

Socialism is just an economic idea, one that involves production being made public as opposed to private. This can have any form of government, you can have democratic socialism, anarchist socialism, or fuck, probably even monarchist socialism. Communism is anarchist-socialism, because communists would argue that socialism would eventually get rid of any need for government.

So this a sci-fi form of communism? We are not anywhere near having everything automated, and by then perhaps a new economic system may be discovered which renders communism obsolete. To me this just sounds like wishful thinking that may not happen in our lifetime. So if we are talking about making communism work here now, shouldn't we focus more on what happened in the past instead of relying on promises of a future golden age?

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Best thread here, in a sea of Nazis, Alt-Right and Fascist this is the island of hope

The best thing about the tread is that it requires no Marxist conversation in it. Instead it automatically attracts stupid right wing idiots and liberals who show how stupid they are

Why is it always the same Spanish Faggot making these threads all the times, you have almost no support with these things. You just end up being swarmed and called out on your bullshit ideology, fucking hell man piss off

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>see thread in catalogue
>check flag
It's always you Paco. How pathetic is your existence to waste time making these threads everyday? Even the rest of your cuckold comrades fucked off back to /leftypol/ weeks ago. Sad!

Go die in a gulag you pinko commie cocksucker.

Hi comrade, calm down.

>We are not anywhere near having everything automated
>To me this just sounds like wishful thinking that may not happen in our lifetime.
Dude experts are saying human-level AI is going to be around by 2040, that's less than 25 years from now. Even if they're off by 20 years, Human-level AI is going to be around in OUR lifetimes.

>by then perhaps a new economic system may be discovered which renders communism obsolete
The issue is what COULD be a replacement? Once there is general-purpose automation that is equal to humans, then no human labor is possible, because physical labor can be replaced by robots that move exactly as humans do, or better. And mental labor can be replaced by robots that think exactly as humans do, or better. The only things left that could be used to make money off of are our sports talents and our personalities. And while every single human being on earth COULD become a vlogger (GOD forbid that ever happens), how would these people still get paid? Sponsorships would only go to the most popular individuals, and who would even BE the individuals who own the companies that sponsor people? At this point, it would just be best if everyone owned their own form of manufacturing, which would probably just be various 3D printers.

Assuming Human-level AI doesn't murder all of humanity, then the only plausible solution becomes communism, where people do whatever the hell they want (as long as they don't hurt other people), because it's now impossible to work for a living.

QUE TE MUERAS PUTO CABRÓN

Get a real job

A small addendum actually to this post:
Anarcho-transhumanism is also possible, assuming human-level AI doesn't murder all of humanity.

Anarcho-transhumanism (as far as I understand), is just putting everyone's minds into a computer simulation where we can't die and can live out the rest of our lives in a simulation. So the Matrix basically.

I imagine the differences that would lead you to either being a transhumanist or a communist comes down to how much you value the real world and the challenges it presents. I would much rather hike in the real mountains, with my real legs and feel real pain. I would much rather have to go to a bar and have to flirt and date before I get a chance to fuck, rather than create a harem of digital-waifus who will blow me at my command, with my body never running out of jizz.

Really makes you think

You are in the wrong place Paco, kill yourself

I'm comfy thanks.

Commies gtfo Reeeeeeee

> ... just putting everyone's minds into a computer simulation

So who makes the rule that everyone has to trust their (((mind))) to a computer simulation.

Your mind is in your brain, surely?

Reminder you are the reason I am here.

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Incas were commies.
Aztecs were dystopian socialists.

They only made it work by not using wheels and making labor harder.

Commies are luddites.

Is there anything more sad and pathetic than a commieboo weeb?

Dude I don't fuckin' know. It'd probably be literally like in the matrix where the robots make us do this.

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