Tfw there are unironic socialists, communists, Marxist, and other left-wing scum here

>tfw there are unironic socialists, communists, Marxist, and other left-wing scum here
How do we stop the "big government" loving cucks?
tl;dr if you're left of centre, gtfo

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>all those buzzwords

the super-rich being taxed a lot doesn't make me feel angry and revolutionary, sorry. i don't care.

>what is economix?

>muh special kind of economics is the only one

We can't. Untermenschen want to be controlled in anything and everything.
To them politics is litterally BDSM. They pop hard nipples at the thought of eliminating dissidents.
Since the one thing they can understand is power-play, all We can do is become their doms.

It's not "special". Capitalism is What happens when You just do what's natural and right.
Not that you'd understand, slave.
I expect my car washed in two hours, get to work.

>centrally planned economies work so well
*cough* (old) China, North Korea, USSR, Cambodia, every other Marxist-run economy *cough*
>special
this

I agree cunt, but Sup Forums is too dumb to get politics

>there is literally nothing between ancap and Stalin

get lost shlomo

>all leftists are Stalinist

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this board is not meant for statist cucks

I truly wish I was as based as you

>people will voluntarily redistribute their wealth, and will work for no reward
The Stalinist far-left is the only "realistic" far-left.

Taxing the rich usually doesn't get much money.
And in fact the rich are rich enough to hide assets.

Taxes usually place extreme burden on the middle class, and corporate taxes are always passed on to them with higher prices.

Tax based ultra-socialism just doesn't work. Modern countries are modern because they haven't done it.

Based Iberia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Stalinist_left
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Leninism

I agree, but that isn't the same as being a few squares to the left.

i just want a ethnostate desu, I don't care about economics that much at this stage

again

I'm not sure how to feel, desu.

>not caring about economics

People need to realize that exactly this type of governments are the thing that fucked over Germany and allowed Merkel to do what she did.

Also, autism dump.

You're the one who supports big government

The rich should have a 0% tax rate since they create so many jobs in society. Poor people should be fucking grateful to rich people for forming the bedrock of the economy ffs.

Ideally though we'd have an AnCap society, though most people are too dumb and immoral to realise that.

This will help you

Heil hitler

AMA

so what's it like just getting into politics?

what's it like being 12 years old?

D-Did I pass?

Well that helps considerably.

What's it like being a mindless nigger?

if you're a lefty you literally think stealing is perfectly fine. you're akin to a gypsy stealing wallets in a crowded bus

I'm 13 and a half you stupid faggot

Do you like the taste of semen or do you try to ignore the taste?

Based Nip

The jew fear the samurai, ya'know.

If you're within 3 squares of the lines you're a centrist, for that 'part' anyway. So as long as you aren't any further than that it isn't TOO bad. But economics is really fucking important desu, and Centre-right is still better than centre-left.
Just keep going right
>You're the one who supports big government
I support medium government, desu
>rich should have a 0% tax rate since they create so many jobs in society.
Everyone should have a 0% tax rate, desu.
>Ideally though we'd have an AnCap society, though most people are too dumb and immoral to realise that.
>ideally
Yes, ideally we would.
Hai

Do you smoke the devil's lettuce?

Based

>left of centre
>big government
>what is the authoritarian right (police state)
>not understanding the difference between economics and authority

I think the "ideal" society would be more of a Hoppe based state, with certain groups forming sub-societies having a local identity and the right to discriminate people not welcome among their midst.

>It says I'm a conservative
>Don't want to be Ted Cruz

It must've been the 'can't be a fag' and 'no homosex' strongly disagrees

Left on the economic scale always needs some form of government big enough to intervene in the market, while on the right side, you have the option of a small state/no state at all.

AnCap is the only ethical system that actually works

>i don't realise that the only way to 'redistribute' money is to have a government; which would overstretch itself; making it a 'big government'
That seems pretty nice too

Totally OK with going full ancap though.

conservative centrist here

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how does it feel not having a coherent opinion?

I think a minarchistic form of government can also work, provided that this government doesn't have a monopoly of power and only has the possibility to secure the borders and detain violators of the NAP, thus creating a help for private people defending themselves. Nevertheless do I think a Hoppesque system would be more desirable.

This is a joke right

>muh an cap
>assuming people won't just take advantage of each other immediately

Jesus get out in the real world you idiot. AnCaps are the worst - get out of your shitty little bubble of academia and go get a job faget

no

> religiously following an ideology
> coherent opinion

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Google Hoppe. He advocates a AnCap society with a focus on the forming of groups with similar interests, for example a small town working as small enclave, only loyal to themselves. It is a much more refined and practical idea than what you probably have in mind.

This

Tribalism is the natural state of humanity, that is where we thrive. Therefore society should be AnCap

Exactly, you get all the benefits of living in a group and additionally have freedom from governmental interference, personal and economical, making this system also the most efficient by removing all unnecessary bureaucracy.

What do you mean "communists have human rights"

Have you read Hoppe's book, "Democracy: the god that failed"? It looks good, but I want to have a second opinion before I buy it, or not.

They do have the right to jump of an helicopter

No, but I have actually been think about reading it, too. Reading Stirner at the moment, because all the memes maid me kinda curious so I wanted to form an own opinion.

Is this good?
Also what does it mean?

Communism is anarchic by definition. It's about as far from "big government" as possible.

Communism is anti-statist by definition.

Ah, okay.
I'm reading Leviathan by Hobbes, myself.

I don't want to redistribute my earnings. What does happen to me in a communistic society? Either nothing can be done, because it happens on a voluntary basis and nobody can force me, making the system effectively into individualism - therefore AnCap - where people only tend towards sharing, or somebody forces me, making it akin to a police state.

Yes, real communism is anarchist. But in order to get to communism, you have to go through socialism; which is big government. Thus commies are pro-big government.

Posting the true compass

Posting the improved true compass, also, do you have a link for the test? (If it even is a test)

This chart is so many levels of stupid I don't even know what to think.

>unironically bottom left

Half of the questions are fucking platitudes tbqh and are only answered differently by edgelords deliberately trying to show off how much like hitler they are from on a meme graph to strangers on a mongolian throat singing wax cylinder

>Ideally

"Ideal" is another word for "lie." Work within practical limits, or stage a cultural revolution.

>Hitler not being left
This whole "Hitler is far right" only shows once more how flawed this whole Left-Right spectrum really is. Hitler was a collectivist, so nobody in this thread advocating for libertarianism/AnCap is even remotely close to supporting Nazism.

>Hitler was a collectivist
He also professed the importance of the individual.

>don't have a monopoly on power.
>attempt to acquire taxes.

Yes, in the meantime he nationalized the arms industry. Even on Sup Forums I think people can agree that Hitler used propaganda to sway the people. This included propagating the image of holding individual rights dear.

Did I pass

Ama

DUDE

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I don't know the proper english term, but what I meant with "monopoly of power" was being able to use weapon force. If the people are armed, there is no such thing as a power monopoly. And while I prefer other systems like I explained throughout the thread, taxes that are actually used for a actual public use do not necessarily equal theft. There is a difference in using taxes to support people in defending themselves by arresting violaters of the NAP and using them to finance women studies professors, welfare leeches and terrorist groups.

This test is retarded though.
How can art have anything to do with left/right?

>abstact
>art
I don't think so

In communism you can keep every penny of your earnings. That's the point. The main difference is no one will have the power to exploit you anymore, which is exactly what makes it possible to keep every penny of your earnings. I think the "redistribution of earnings" concept fits capitalism better, because in capitalism you are forced to sell yourself for less than you are worth because your circumstances are being exploited.

For instance imagine a poor man is down to his last 100$ and hasn't eaten or drank in days. You happen to have a monopoly on food and drink within the local area. You offer him a peanut butter sandwich and a glass of water for 100$ and he has to suck your dick too. He can't get it cheaper than anywhere else because you have a monopoly, and he has no way to travel elsewhere. He can't grow his own bread because you bought up all the wheat. He can't even steal it from you because your private security force will shoot him on site.

This is an example of a mutually beneficial and consentual trade between two people acting "freely". But it is obviously immoral and exploitative. Now, we have regulation in most capitalist societies that prevents this from happening. But as long as there is the ability to monopolize needs in any way, the principle of exploitation applies. Because if someone doesn't have their needs met, they are incapable of acting freely - you can force them to do anything you want.

In a perfect, theoretical implementation of communism, you would be unable to hire a security force to guard your food crops and water supply. You would have to let people use them so long as you aren't using it. Another way to put this is that you can't use force to control others. The concept of private property can only exist with the application of force and aggression.

This would imply that there isn't the possibility of charity in an anarcho capitalistic society. Nothing stops you from helping the man out, nothing forces you to do it either. Nobody would stop you from forming together with other like minded individuals to help these poor people, hence, forming a group with similar interests.

that just means he was on the authoritarian edge you autist, he was still on the political right

All taxation is theft. If it's for the people's benefit then you don't need to extract payment at the point of a gun.

For example I don't need to rape a woman who wants to have sex with me. The degree to which force is involved is the degree to which she doesn't want to have sex. Why do I need to have a gun to her head if it is a mutually beneficial exchange?

Socialists, communists, and capitalists are all anti-statists.
All of them are just autistic screaming ideologies.

Political Compass is one of the weaker political spectrum tests anyway, but in this particular case, the question decides if you are more "authoritarian" or "libertarian" (both these terms are used by the compass, but should be replaced with the terms conservative and progressive, based on the questions asked), because it was and is common in authoritarian systems to declare art as damaging for the greater good/degenerate/etc. and thus banning it.

Most commies think that the economic growth created by hundreds of years of capitalism was necessary for the creation of the means of production. Personally I think that any sort of communist revolution should wait until much of the economy becomes automated, which is a future that capitalism inevitably promotes. Does this mean that commies are pro-capitalist too?

Also, capitalism literally cannot exist without a big government that has a monopoly on force. Anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron.

That's for the authoritarian/libertarian scale, lad.

Bringing industry under government control doesn't sound all too economically right-wing to me.

Why are you the only rational human in this thread?

You would be unable to hire a private security force? And who is this to be enforced by?

Why am I Marty Mcfly

>capitalism cannot exist without government
Yes, because government is required for individuals to undertake voluntary transactions for mutual profit. Makes sense.

There was basically no government in America until the early 20th century.

that's why it isn't an economic compass, it's a political one, economic opinions in this context are just a subset of political ones

hitler was right wing (which is a shit term but we're sticking to it) despite having the name "socialism" in his party

>tfw you don't know Family Ties