Give me one reason why fascism is wrong besides killing communists and degerates. I think I'm sold on fascism

Give me one reason why fascism is wrong besides killing communists and degerates. I think I'm sold on fascism.

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Because you can't know if the minority that rules you may turn out insane. Trump was democratically elected, the people wanted him (regardless of popular vote, he wouldn't technically win with 10% popular vote). Democracy is the worst system but there is no other.

Because your dumb ass will be the first to extinction, degenerates are useless and should be exterminated in fascist ideology

>those things
>bad

Pick one

I am not a degerate. I would have no problem in helping exterminate the communist degerate scum. I'd probably sleep good at night after as well.

Fascism is the retarded brother of nationalism. We dont need fascism to MAGA the laws are already in place.

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Well its totalitarian stat and if it does something that you personally dont like you cant do aanything about ,not even bitxh about it without facing severe punishmemt.Besides that the crazyer the leaders the better thera are more than 7bil non-whites we can go ham on them....

>All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.
This is wrong.

There Isn't really a good argument. Facism is great for rebuilding a country, people just think that you'll be rounded up in a concentration camp the minute Facism takes over.

>This is wrong.
This is an opinion.

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It's not about ideology, facist will attack anyone against them. North Korea is a fascist dictatorship. Move there and after several years if you get out of the camp they will put you in for stupid reasons like spelling kim's name wrong, tell me if you still support fascism.

People here dreaming of a fascist state are like edgy teens claiming communism is great since they have never experienced it.

Fascism is unAmerican

>explain to me in a huge essay why trump is a fashist

Its evil

>killing communists and degerates
>wrong

You're giving power to a small group of people who are totally unaccountable for their actions.
Fascism is at best a quick fix. It's not a permanent solution.

>totally unaccountable
what is an armed revolt of the conscript army

>North Korea is a fascist dictatorship
Sven pls

Fascism is only as effective as the leader behind it. When we have a benevolent authoritarian dictator who has good of his peoples in his best interest, all is well in the world.

The problem arises when the leader disappears from the picture and you get a cruel fractional warfare like in former Yugoslavia.

Additionally, as desirable as fascism is, it's a rather unsustainable log-term system for people crave for freedom (this does not mean unbrindled degeneracy mind you). I think the role of fascism is a purifying element where strong and charismatic leaders cleanse degenerate specimen, stop undesired behaviours and halt moral decay. After a few generations, transition to a democratic government should take place, but very few people have the capacity for long-term planning, much less politicans or dictators and letting go of power is a very difficult thing to do.

Ideally, the democratic government would be elected by non-degenerate, responsible and active citizens instead of homosexuals, borderline retarded non-whites and populist gibsmedat leftists.

One day, user. One fucking day the day of the rope will come.

It's a form a socialism.

nazis are just commies that are afraid of being cucked.

Dramatic changes in government such as establishing facism dramatically changes the political power structures. This isn't inherently bad but the safeguards that address the "bad emperor" problem are also dismantled leaving a country vulnerable to unconstrained powers.

This is also why new "democratic" goverments created by the west can be just as bad. The power structures created by centuries of war and economic development are reset.

Democracies such as America are good because the change is slow despite the bellowing of candy colored buffoons. Facism is bad due to unconstrained powers of authoritarian leaders.

i would be eliminated and still support fascism. conquering the universe is more important than my personal existence in this exact timeline.

>transition to a democratic government
You were on a right track, then went full retard

>dictatorship is bad, because 1 person can be really shit
>let's switch to dictatorship where the good people will be forever locked out of having a voice in the matter.

Switch to monarchy, if the new king is shit, just lob his head of, and place his smarter cousin on the throne.

The leader himself is susceptible to corruption, as with all autocracies. Its a bitch to remove him afterwards, not to mention that he may even make you think that things are going great even if they are not.

Fascism shines in times of war and thats it.

the state is the manifestation of the universal will of the people. in essence the state is ethics and morals of the nation applied as law to the nation.

fascism is un-American

fascism is concentrating political and economic power withing the executive branch of the state, leading to massive corruption and unforgivable crimes.

Conservatism is directly opposed to fascism in the sense that it's skeptical about 'human goodness' and ability to change the world for the better. It's wiser to simply maintain institutions that have proven through time to actually work to an extent.

Wrong.
Spain was so fucking full of jobs and illegal inmigritation was inexistent thanks to Franco .
Now we are in deep shit because of capitalist and globalist bullshit.

In that case sure, but how can you safeguard the state and the people from jewish sedition?

In practice monarchies are plutocracy. The wealth resides in nobility and merchants and not solely the monarch. Politics amount to the power struggle between the nobility, king, and other wealthy elites.

Replacing a king isn't a pancea.

I don't think you can be more cucked than this as a human being.

Every single Fascist state collapsed within a few decades.

America was founded in the concept of liberty and self determination.
Don't like it? GTFO.

Only reddit newfags think fascism is bad. Everyone else on Sup Forums loves it, one of the few reasons why being that killing commies and degenerates is great.

>besides killing communists and degerates
>wrong

pick one

the fascist solution was nationalism and a rigid social hierarchy. basically to have as much national pride as possible to fulfill a sort of spiritual human need, as well as other human needs would keep people content in life

In our dictatorship there were jobs as well and the state's coffers had plenty of gold.

At the same time there were fines issued for people walking barefoot in the city due to poverty so that the major cities didnt look bad at the eyes of foreigners. Some even passed out on the street from exhaustion and malnourishment. If every state in this thread had no limits to the minimum wage or governments could just set it to 300 US/month or so along with including saturdays as a work day I assure you there would be plenty of jobs but that doesnt mean the situation would be better lol.

>You were on a right track, then went full retard
Long term-fascism is unsustainable. The goal of fascism should be to condition a degeneracy-resistant society which can govern itself independently.

You'll be surprised to learn back in the day Sweden used to be as violent, drunk and barbarian as Albania, if not worse. Then they just started hanging their local scum, toughened laws and generally turned the country around so that after a while they had a peaceful and civilised society. The goal of fascism is to prepare the masses for hand over to a sustainable form of government.

Except Israel.

This "muh freedom" mindset is what is turning the US into a non white war zone with suicides rates as bad as in russia and crime activity as in african shitholes.

An amount of personal freedom is good but a state with too much freedom will end in the bullshit we have today.

too much freedom allows people to act irresponsible, and besides true freedom is economic freedom.

fascism wants:

>high taxes
>heavy gun control
>education and media controlled by the state
>increase of government jobs (good if your NEET ass wants to become a useless parasite)
>no Sup Forums and the like

No successful or viable (or even just shitty) fascist states currently exist.

Not to mention that society's devoid of the ability to freely criticize or even mention faults in the society (unless of course these faults are being cast as the enemy by the govt) aren't really built to last.

This is all to say fascism is a shitty school of political thought, and it's unironically supporters should neck themselves immediately.

>why fascism is wrong besides killing communists
Just google what is fascism. Hitler havn't it, he had national socialism. The modern democracy is true fascism.

>The United States will be reorganized into the FIRST UNITED EMPIRE! For a safe and secure society!
[spoiler]tfw we will never have Thin White Dyke as our fascist dictator with a /fa/ as fuck army rivaling the SS in style.[/spoiler]

Go no further. Your nation's average wage is equal or lower to our minimum (Portugal, one of the poorest of europe no less) and your government is just slightly authoritarian compared to full blown fascism.

>Thin White Dyke
Fucking autocorrect.

United states is the testbed for globalism btw. Only problem with globalism is the destruction of cultures and races.

So we need to inject nationalism into the globalist free trade idea to preserve race and cultures. Trump and Putin care about the minority races unlike the shallow minded Neo Dems who preach multiculturalism.

you are the degenerate who values your own self interest above that of ultimate progress
it only follows that people such as i would be executed in a fascistic nation, unless of course i were to change drastically under the new regime and no longer be a filthy degenerate, at which point i would no longer wish for myself to be executed since i would then be the ebodiment of everything i wish for

but if i do not improve, i may be a hypocrite in my every action but i will not stand for someone such as i being allowed to exist during the rule that i've concocted
there is no self-hate present of course, that is even worse than being a degenerate, hating yourself for what you are. utterly disgusting and pathetic. you should know what you are, realize the faults of what you are, and carry on as if nothing ill has befallen you, for self hate brings nothing, and certainly no progress.

A states freedom has to be measured by the internal freedom. I wouldn't make a case for open borders=freedom since we're talking about the rights of citizens and not humans in general. You can have a free society with no immigration.

I also don't think that today's western democracies have that much freedom in the sense of what we're looking for. There's no freedom of association, for one. You're not free to discriminate, which is a fundamental freedom. In a lot of European countries history revision is illegal and hate speech laws go above and beyond acceptable restrictions on freedom of speech. The NSA is hardly the model for a free system either.

fascism is based on nationalism and willing struggle against the many foes in the world, it is not based on working for your direct self interest by way of money or gadgets, certainly not when it is not even done out of your own will for the greater good
calling the modern democracy fascism couldn't be more wrong, it is more akin to globalistic communism than it ever could be comparable to nationalistic fascism

Socialism doesn't work even when dressed up in cultural conservatism and racism, kill yourself commie

>nation's average wage is equal or lower
I've bought my apartment when i was 28 years. Go calculate your wealth somewhere else.

>fascism is based on nationalism
Just read about what you are talking.

Just curious- why does modern liberalism line up with fascism? (High taxes, gun control, education controlled?)

You could have bought two if you were portuguese.

what you call liberalism is socialism/social-democracy

"""freedom""" and """rights""" are utterly despicable concepts made up by the comintern, you should not have inherent rights when you act out of pure self interest against not only the nation but the people living in your nation
there should be strict laws that carry out harsh punishment, and you should earn your keep or be cast out. these are preventative measures to both filter out useless neets and also up production, obviously unlike the despicable communists the law would apply even to the highest state officials, they would always be held accountable if they put their own self interests above that of the nation, as that is the highest degree of betrayal
there's no question about conscription being mandatory for both national defense and making people feel better about their heritage and nation as well as those they will one day fight alongside, people must learn that their degenerate desires for benefitting their very selves is no match to having a purpose that is grander than yourself

how can fascism exist without the people caring about their nation? fascism is a very non-specific term by the by, many people had fascism plastered over them yet operated so incredibly differently, yet all their systems of govern were based on the populous caring for and fighting for the nation. it is this purpose, this strong will, that keeps fascism afloat, without this purpose nobody will care, and without the care of the populous it cannot survive, getting crushed under the heavy weights of capitalism and socialism.
it is true fascism allows for private enterprise, but only so long as it is not deemed a threat or negative to the nation itself, plus it does not allow foreign enterprise to make vast profits at the nation's expense. but this does not fit under capitalism, capitalism is the idea that money trumps all and you want as many investors as possible to make for the greatest economic boom so that your (((economy))) stays strong

>only i can have freedom

fuck off oppressive faggots

>besides killing communists and degerates
That's a point AGAINST fascism for you?

all this talk about degeneracy.

since this is Sup Forums i will say this: degeneracy is code for "I am not getting any pussy and it isn't fair!"

so Hillary's wet dream?

Fascism is merely a tool. You can use a hammer to drive a nail into the wall and build a beautiful home or can use it to bludgeon someone to death.

You are about a decade too late slowbro. Society is actually collapsing today because of sluts. It's not cool anymore.

>Land of the Free
Fuck your grandparents fought for?

>besides killing communists

so what would fascism do about sluts? Kill them all? Round them up and brainwash them into little prudish catholic girls for you?

No shit sherlock. What is /r9k/ and where did 90% of the old posters fled to?

fascism is a very broad and nonspecific term
i would sum it up as this
>massive propaganda fuelling the delusion of a greater purpose by way of aiding the nation above yourself
>extreme laws that are more important than all because breaking the laws is direct betrayal of the nation
>all media and education is phrased to conform to the propaganda in my point one while discouraging things that are selfish and degenerate
>the government jobs you speak of are secret police and the like, not bureaucracy
>things like taxes and gun control can be whatever it ends up being, it's entirely plausible for there to be zero gun control for ethnic nationals

>Kill them all? Round them up and brainwash them into little prudish catholic girls for you?
Both are viable solutions.

Because one person would be in charge of everything. If she/he does some fucked up shit, then no one could stop the dictator.
You could have a mix of Hitler and Mao as the head, so a genocidal despot which has shit economic and warfare skills.
You want that?

they fled to Sup Forums watson. Its elementary.

back to /r9k/ with ye!

Im not advocating fascism. We will combat the marxist agenda and as perceptions change so will the family unit be built up again.

It doesn't work.

>North Korea is fascist
Jesus fucking christ.

I've actually lived under real fascism and it was wonders.

>besides killing communists and degerates
How the fuck is that wrong? Besides you're repeating yourself by mentioning degenerates and a subgroup of degenerates.

>doesn't work
Germany literally went for an economic and political mess to a superpower that almost won against 4/5th of the world. No other ideology has created so much welfare and prosperity in such a short time span (15 years or so)

>not wanting government-organized thot patrols
maybe you should go to reddit

The problem with facism is that you end up on a situation where only politicians have power and power always corrupts, who will safeguard the original ideology when those in power get too confident?

>there is only one form of authorian government

fascism, like communism tend to have single, life long leaders that rule their nation based off their ideals. While the first leader may be 100% 1488 deus vult, the second might be a closet SJW and outright destroy the nation as they force it full of SJW shit simply because there is not a single person to stand in their way, because there are no term limits.

Such rulers tend to ban free speech in an effort to stop competitors from arising, and also to stop criticism.
If you speak out against the leader in such a world, you can expect to be killed for speaking out against them.

It is not wrong. In my city, a small group of far right men (youth of Canillejas in english) got fed up with fucking latin king and ñetas gangs, and fucking destroyed them in their hood. Commies and libs called them racists. Last year another group opened a place to give poor spanish and only spanish people food. Local authorities closed it and arrested everyone for hate crimes. Tell me, if they were protecting their neighbours and families why the fuck do gvt officials fuck them over

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>being this much of a T_Dfag

Nationalism started as a left wing movement against the crown in the French Revolution which is pretty much the cause of everything bad in this world

Because faccist are faggots

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Really makes you think

An armed populace.

Now imagine the same thing for all of Evropa

I'm drawn to illiberal democracy. Although I find fascism romantic I'm sceptical about concentrating that much power in the hands of a few. However, almost anything would be preferable to todays social liberalism.

I miss him.

Fascist states wont ever allow firearms. Its too risky.

So why have they in the past?

>Fascist states wont ever allow firearms.
How do you explain the more lax gun laws in the Third Reich then?

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fucking this
fascism isn't supposed to last forever, it's supposed to rejuvenate and rebuild a nation corrupted by decadence and degeneracy.

If a country was a person, then getting fat would be degeneracy, and fascism would be diet/exercise.

Surely the SA or the SS had plenty.

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Only those close to the regime after a thourough background check. I would allow any less if I was a tyrant. Its obvious... or do you think the average german farmer with no particular loyalty to the party could just get a machine gun? lool

>*wouldnt allow

>machine gun
That's pretty arbitrary. It's a pain in the ass to do that here. They certainly didn't go after Klaus for his hunting rifle. The threat is in numbers as you say. No government has ever been able to rely on 100% of armed forces or police to be loyal to the government itself not even close.

Hans here knows his stuff. It's far too easy to give in to temptation, specially when it's a marxist tempting you.
A strong family and a strong society cannot be free to indulge in self-destructive behavior, rules are required in every step of the way. Freedom requires control, for unrestricted freedom is simply called anarchy.

>the state is the manifestation of the universal will of the people
Nope, there's no argument in this, just a person making a claim with no supporting proof whatsoever.

Brazil is a perfect example of how things actually happen. People live in a democracy, get fooled into voting on leeches and then those leeches turn the populace into slaves.

If there's no democracy it's even worse since they don't even have to fool anyone.

Good people in general don't tend to go into politics partially because they know they don't have what it takes. Power hungry people go into politics.

From your link:
>When the Third Reich gained power, some aspects of gun regulation were loosened, such as allowing ownership for Nazi party members and the military. The laws were tightened in other ways. Nazi laws disarmed "unreliable" persons, especially Jews, but relaxed restrictions for "ordinary" German citizens.
>relaxed restrictions for German[s]

Can you argue why a foreign hostile populace should be allowed guns?
Can you explain how "a thourough background check" isn't what we have now in most countries anyway?

I feel like a Fascist country would need some form of Censor role elected by a body of able-minded Senators. The supreme leader would ultimately make decisions, being advised by Senators whose roles lie in different aspects of state, to assist the Leader in managing the State.
It'd be difficult to avoid corruption however, unless any degenerate activity/suspicious activity within the upper classes was punished severely by the Leader, deterring anyone within government to act against the interests of the state.