Why isn't Greece a Super Power?

2bh, I expected Greece to be more relevant, rich and powerful than they are now, basically a World Power.

>Created Western Civilization
>Alexander the great
>Byzantine empire

Why aren't they rich and powerful?

Butt sex. Homosexuals are genetic deadends.

too small, not enough mineral riches, not enough farmland, etc.

Back in the old days you could do without these, as long as you had trade.
Now you can't.

debt

Rampant degeneracy and cultural laziness.

Bump

Alexander was Macedonian, not Greek.

The only reason Greece exists today is the British Empire.

easy. the last time greece was relevant was at the time of the byzatine empire which the end of coincidentally marked the time they went from being nordic to turkic.

This seems to be the reason unfortunately. Pretty small population too.

Also Turkey are dicks

You are forgetting about the part where they got conquered by Turks and had decades of destructive socialist policies in the modern age.

>nordick

WIR

nice cherry picking.

The only reason the muslims haven't shitted up Holland yet is because of weed.

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The people who live there now are roaches
The original greeks were not

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We don't need to claim ancient greece. We already have a glorious past. It's just that modern greek people are turks

>We already have a glorious past

t. mudhut pro

you do realise that cyprus was fucked up and burning a couple of years ago right

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Anatolia was the backbone of the Byzantine Empire, which was the only time a Greek political entity was steadily relevant on the global stage. It contained the resources and geopolitical circumstances needed for global relevance, whereas Greece is now contained to Europe without control (or access) to even the Black Sea.

Before Alexander, the Greeks were essentially "relevant" only in the sense that they were one of the few to be civilized enough to record history and contemplate things like art and philosophy. It's not that they were "relevant" politically towards other political unions. In fact, they weren't particularly concerned with their neighbors, provided they weren't being provocative. Most wars were fought among different Greek states.

Since the world wasn't globalized at that time, so not much can inherently be said about "global relevance". The first instance of globalization was the Macedonian Empire, whose purpose was in fact just that -- but it was Rome that sealed the deal. War became a game of resources, trade, and influence, not battle. It's hard to play that game without Anatolia.

How about everything from airplanes to the internet and railroads to cars

>brown hair, brown eyes
>brown hair, brown eyes

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Crawled up theyre own socials ass

Because modern greeks are actually Turks

>too small
Netherlands is the area of Peloponissus, Luxemburg is even smaller you faggot

>not enough mineral riches
Wrong, we have bauxite (1% of global production) and nickel (1st in EU) and many other minerals, as well as lots of GOLD. We also have natural gas and oil south of Crete, North Aegean and in the Ionic Sea.

> not enough farmland
Enough to feed ourselves you double faggot.


The problem with Greece are the people inhabiting it. I would say 50% of the citizens are functionally illiterate, eternally complaining, nannystate worshippers

Didn't Greeks literally use to have settlements in modern day Turkey like 2000+ years ago, also, wasn't Turkey inhabited by the Trojans? That said, to me it seems like MODERN Turks would actually be a combination of Ancient Greeks + Ancient Trojans, with a mixture of Arabs and Persians.


No? I doubt the whole of Greece got literally raped out of extinction...that is fucking MEME. There was population exchanges, many Greeks left Greece in the 1400s and went to Turkey, and Turks moved into Greece. That ended abruptly and populations with Greek heritage in Turkey (and Turkish heritage in Greece) were forced back to their countries during the 1700s/1900s.

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Criminally underrated

so? I have brown eyes aswell
also almost no man in germany is actually blond. All brownhaired.
Also it's a myth that celts we're savages.

Aren't most Turks at least half native anatolian anyway? Wouldn't it be true that the Turks are anatolians?

You're not convincing anyone

these reasons are probably why they're still even relevant. their region of the world is pretty shitty and they're a little less shitty in comparison. that's gotta count for something.

Celts were tribal people. They were good at metal workings and made some cool stuff with iron, gold, bronze, etc but were still mudhut dwellers with no real civilization in the end.

Listen here cunt. We started colonising the whole Mediterranean from 700BC. Pytheas of Massalia travelled all the way to Britain in the 4th century and possibly reached Iceland. In a sense we carried the torch of civilization everywhere around us. Even the Romans who defeated us militarily were conquered culturally. If you can't understand the significance of this, never have children

>they weren't particularly concerned with their neighbors
Because they considered them all uncivilized barbarians

You reek of defeatism

inb4 lel u r le goldendawn xDDD

turks are anatolian though so that's not really saying much

To think that this single battle was enough to fuck us over in the long-term. That's what happens when you put your faith into Franks.

Alexander brought the superpower recipe to India, superpower by 2030.

I'd argue it was probably the 4th crusade that really signed the death warrant. Manzikert was terrible but the Komnenos were doing a decent job kicking Turk ass

The 4th crusade was catastrophic but losing the place with most of the taxable populace, resources and manpower to amass big armies was terrible

Gyro gets it, Greeks seem incredibly and evenly split into "rural Mexico" and "almost Swiss" level populations

because they all want to retire at 50 with a state pension and will use public money to achieve this

You do realize size has more to do with population than area, right? Case in point:

Netherlands: 17,000,059
Greece: 10,955,000

Less population means less potential to develop an industry. Couple that with being late in the game to begin with, and there you go. Lack of industry is the #1 reason Greece is irrelevant.

Now, I'm not saying we lack industry due to being "small". We're big enough to develop a mid-sized industry. But we haven't, because the Ottoman Slave mentality is still deeply rooted within the population. It's just as you said; most people are morons, and the rest leave this place as soon as humanly possible.

Anatolia was inhabited by a number of different people. Before being Hellenized, it mainly contained Anatolians, which is mainly Hittites and Luwians (the later of whom are the ethnic "Trojans") in the western half, Phrygians (which are ethnically "Greek light") northwestern, Armenians northeastern, Assyrians east-central, and Persians (ancestors to modern Kurds) in the south-east side.

Those people obviously didn't go extinct. They were gradually Hellenized during the several periods (post-Trojan War period, Macedonian period, Roman period) -- and some of them actually weren't, like the Armenians and the Kurds. Modern Turks are a mix of ethnic Oghuz Turks and those formerly Hellenized native Anatolians, the latter of whom make up the majority.

There's no Turkic contribution to modern Greek lineages. At least not any more than there may be in essentially any other European country. However, it's true that modern Greek people have distinctively mixed lineages that aren't "purely" Hellenic. The Slavic migrations contributed a lot. Perhaps as high as 10% of the population in certain areas has strong Slavic heritage. And then you have Albanians and Vlachs, who are some sort of Thracian-Dacian-Illyrian mix, who eventually assimilated in Greece and adopted a Greek identity.

Would say it's the same television induced cultural marxist bullshit infecting the whole world or is it greece specific?

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Government corruption on every level also kinda inhibits industry too i bet?

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>Hellenized native Anatolians, the latter of whom make up the majority
I heard the patronym -oglu comes from the greek oglou or something, is that right?

Greece just needs Fascism, nationalize all the banks and resources, construct factories, build a good military etc...

Count in the Roman contributions during the imperial days, and further Thracian and Illyrian Hellenization that's been going on since antiquity in places like Macedonia and the Greek part of Thrace, and I'd say that roughly 30% of the modern Greek heritage is non-classical Greek. That % is higher or lower depending on area, of course.

No disagreement anywhere, fαm. Obviously, uncivilized barbarians (like pre-imperial Romans) with no concern for human life, can brute force a victory against a civilization like classical Greece. If we had been concerned about that scenario back then, perhaps it wouldn't have come true. But we obviously weren't, and it did.

I always wondered what today's world would have been if Alexander had decided to head west and conquer Latins and Etruscans before Romans blew over.

I'm guessing it's the other way around. -glu doesn't sound like a native Greek suffix. But don't take names to mean much. Plenty Greeks adopted (etymologically) Turkish names, likely out of obligation or periodical trends.

>exports petroleum
>imports petroleum

>Obviously, uncivilized barbarians (like pre-imperial Romans)

Don't be retarded, son. Roman Republic was superior to the Roman Empire. That was the time when they achieved most of their glorious victories. Everything that followed was arguably not as impressive. Romans were 'civilized' since 753 BC, when they had contact with Etruscan culture and formed the Kingdom who would later become Republic and then Empire.

You dumb faggots know nothing .

Greece is poor and degenerate because that's how Germany wants them. Greece actually has a shit tonne of resources however they need Greece to be flat broke so their German companies can control them.

Greeks are also hugely patriotic and uncucked ppl.. they would fuck any other European nation over .. Germany knows this and wants the citizens to become slaves to provity so they don't rise up against the rest of Europe.
Greece also requires dependency on Germany to ensure they fall inline and don't move Eastern with their othodox brothers and give Russia some nice ports and navy control of the Mediterranean .

Greece and Greek people are based as fuck.. you guys have fallen for the Jewish memes about them being useless and lazy. Unfortunately so has the Greek ppl.

Simply build the factories for cars, for all the goods and services in demand, keep building them, have an internal market, have sufficient productions???
be rich, you only can't have banks and currency creation that's not the government.

You can't deny Roman atrocities during the Republic. They destroyed infrastructure, enslaved natives, degraded social order and brought rot to practically all of their conquered lands.

Rome itself may have been glorious during the Republic, but the rest certainly weren't. Perhaps the Romans weren't necessarily uncivilized, but they certainly were ill-mannered. A stark contrast from the Macedonian Empire whose successor kingdoms brought a new golden era to Egypt, Persia and India.

>Greeks are also hugely patriotic and uncucked ppl..
top kek, not after the military junta fell. That's when commies and socialists reigned surpreme and anarchists fucks roaming the streets freely.

>Less population means less potential to develop an industry
Top fucking kek. In that case why isn't India, Nigeria and Bangladesh the most developed countries in the world.
> Couple that with being late in the game to begin with, and there you go
More like wasted 40 years of the most prosperous time in global history even though you're given help by the EU in form of Delors packages. If Papandreou decided to not build a party army and shut down Greek industry with his policies we would be ok now
>Ottoman Slave mentality is still deeply rooted within the population
100% this, your shit's on point senpai

It's not so much television that did this here rather than overgrown children with pipedream ideals. Because of our civil war in late 40s there is a big divide in the Greeks. Unlike the european left we never went through the same process, leading to things like turbosocialism combined with nepotism which fucked up this country.

>I always wondered what today's world would have been if Alexander had decided to head west and conquer Latins and Etruscans before Romans blew over.
Mediterranean Empire ruling the world with an iron fist?

-oglu is the Turk suffix for son like Johnson,Ericsson etc

Romans built shit tons in conquered primitive lands.

So were the Spartans 'barbarians' as well because they had a similar culture?

Being warlike =/= Being uncivilized.

Read this pic.

Military junta was a fucken CIA plot.very well documented, not even a conspiracy.

>-oglu is the Turk suffix for son like Johnson,Ericsson etc
yeah, but I read it came from -oglou, but I suppose it's the other way around

>imports crude
>exports refined
Can't you read properly?

Greek diaspora in Aus your contribution has been noted. Come and live here for a few years instead of getting your news from facebook and I'm sure you're going to change your mind

My best friend is Greek from Piraeus, they are all so retardedly left wing it is unreal. Not Sanders left wing or Corbyn left wing but so far left they are beyond help ...

Also its fucking hot so they are lazy and sleep all day

Get out of Athens and go back to the village mate and you'll be comfy as fuck.. don't tell me otherwise.

Also tell all your Athenian friends to stop coming to Australia and shitting up our country like druggies

I know m8, I'm saying that because after the fascist dictatorship fell all the commies and anarchists came out of their closet and stirr up shit freely.

TLDR: Church happened. Ever since the christians came greece has degraded into piss. The ability to use your own brain and be creative and advanced was removed from society. The Ottomans also fucked us out of progress and voila now we have a bunch of nobodies with no brains, super leftists who want the security of state and no one being productive. Not to mention politicians who basically steal from everyone. Eventually the well runs dry.
Most of the brilliant people of greece leave immediately during study years and never come back. I am aussie living here, I can tell you my life here is great as long as i don't affiliate myself with the locals. But going through history and learning alot, i blame the church.

Old Greeks got replaced with the greasy olive turks that dwell in the ruins of once great cities.

Basically, immigration.

>Romans did atrocities
They were good and civilised people until you decided to revolt which they responded to by razing your whole town and then crucifying and/or enslaving the inhabitants

t. Eestivan Eestoniovich

Can't blame the church. Russia is the other major country that is Orthodox and they seem to be doing fine.

Literally because of Turkey.
And also Germa... oh wait, nevwrmind.

I feel your pain, at least you are Orthodox tho.

Because Greeks are far too lazy. They like lounging around from morning to evening sipping Turkish coffee with the boys. I know because I'm Albanian, but Greeks are even lazier than us, not quite on the level of the eternal Montenigger sloth though.

The day will come when we will storm the Vatican and uncuck it with extreme violence

They are Turks nowadays.

Stupid question. Stupid op

>Get out of Athens and go back to the village mate and you'll be comfy as fuck.. don't tell me otherwise.
It is one of the plans but still the welfare culture of PASOK has entrenched itself everywhere. The farmers used to have 100 olive trees but told the govt they had 200 to get double the subsidy amount. You can't deny that

Indeed, the church played a big reason. Also all their titles of ownership stem from the Ottoman times, the church still owns enormous amounts of land in Greece and they practically owned almost all of it back in the 1830s. They dont have to pay any taxes and most of their expenses are taken from the national budget, thus the Greek taxpayer. Makes me want to chew my laptop

>Created western civilization
Hittites started it. Greeks improved on it
>Alexander the faggot
he was macedonian. He conquered Greece and ended Greek golden age.
>Byzantine Empire
It was eastern Rome. Greeks just procreated more and inherited it. Then they bankrupted it.

That's cool and all but did Greece before Christianity have flamethrowers that also work on water?

>They are Turks nowadays.
How's Molenbeek doing these days fαμ? Please keep us posted on when you reclaim all of your non-country

Julian's notes are an extremely good example of why the Republic's destruction of native social order in conquered lands, and consequent replacement with Roman ideals (and infrastructure) was not a great idea. What you end up with is precisely a globalized "one-size-fits-all" worldview in an Empire that encompasses far too many different people. And, naturally, Christianity as the "one-size-fits-all" religion of this globalized Empire.

This is exactly what I take issue with in regards to Rome. The Macedonian model of successor kingdoms that adopt native models of social order is far superior, in my opinion. Rome led to some good things, like (in my opinion) an early form of Europeanism. But at the same time, it never gave a chance for a more diverse, yet peaceful world to develop.

Rome said "Greece, you can't have a Basileus. Egypt, you can't have a Pharaoh!" and imposed the Roman way to everyone. To a major extent, I consider Rome to be responsible for the collapse of the East. By collapse, I mean the concept of pan-Arabism, which replaced excellent civilizations like the Phoenicians, Carthage and Egypt.

When germany falls, i'm coming to greece to breed the new german greek master race.

jesus christ you are retarded, even for a roach

The Boeotians built a stationary flamethrower to take down the wooden walls in the siege of Delium. It happened in 424BC, part of the Peloponnesian war. Aeneas Tacticus also talks about pots filled with sulphur and tar which were lit and then thrown on enemy ships

The only thing the church did was ruin ancient temples and use the stones for christian temples, the pinnacle of technology and civilization imo

ad hominem is the only argument a burger can produce. You either rebuke arguments or you are just a basement dwelling retard.

So what's the deal with Cyprus unifying?

Will the north and south do it with these new talks?

>To a major extent, I consider Rome to be responsible for the collapse of the East. By collapse, I mean the concept of pan-Arabism, which replaced excellent civilizations like the Phoenicians, Carthage and Egypt.

Sorry, but that's not true. The Arabs conquered those lands because you and the Sassanid Persian Empire couldn't stop having stupid wars instead of negotiating a peace treaty like the Romans did with the Parthian Empire back then.

>Hittites started it. Greeks improved on it

lol no. more like ancient egypt started it. and most influential ancient greek philosophers/scientists got educated by ancient egyptian priests personally during their visits to egypt.

im not discrediting ancient greece or hittites by any means, but if we are trying to find "who started everything", those are ancient egyptian priests. bunch of handful people with massive brains.

>posts retarded nonsense
>gets called out
>HURR DURR ad hominem
you aren't fucking worth an argument. Take 5 minutes to google the shit that you wrote, you fucking fool.

>guarenteeing powers
the worst thing they could talk about in this whole thing

they still believe the anti-semitism meme, instead of realizing Israeli jews will be your greatest allies if you stop being retarded and embrace them as the nationalist bastion of western culture they are

they helped farage, they're helping geert, petry, le pen and FPO and now we know they helped trump

WAKE UP GREEK SHEEPLE

I had my cousin here a year ago.
Fucken based villager, took over grandpas olive grove. Knew fuck all about sport or the world. Had plenty of cash.. his life was redpilled as fuck.
Motorcycles, women and parties in the village. Barely could speak English but my Greek is pretty good due to my parents also being village idiots that can't speak English.

I asked him if he was struggling.. he said in the village we are fucken happy, plenty of money and good life.
In Athens the degenerates are literally eating from bins.. he emphasised that he wasn't joking.. ppl are eating out of bins there.

Athenians have always been degenerates though .. most of the Greeks are homos meme comes from Athens .

No villagers come to Australia only lazy Athenians. Even when they come here they do fuck all and have no relevant skills.. mostly take drugs and smoke weed and be arrogant fucks.

I'm not one of those fuck Aussies that claims their Greek and not Aussie. Been there plenty of times and know exactly how I'm seen there. But if I was to go to the village I would fucken blend in like a ninja with a month where no one will know I'm a fucken Aussie.

every fucking villager is like that, didnt your cousin say why??

Because the gov gave a lot of allowances to villagers, to modernize the agricultural sector.
BUT they didnt modernize it, they just brought homes, cars and i dont what fucking else did they. And if the weather is fucking bad or anything they just make a strike crying and complain that the gov wont help them while they get the most benefits.

>Greece thread
>CTRL+F Turk
>27 results.

centuries of roach infestation

>Had plenty of cash
Guess why (tax evasion)
>Motorcycles, women and parties in the village
Same reason as above
>Athens is degenerate
Every fucking place in this country is degenerate. It's extremely funny that the villagers think they're ok because they go to church every once in a while
The whole Athens against rural places only leads to an endless cycle of ruining national consciousness.
You want to live in a village? Be my fucking guest but dont complain when a drunk villager does a hit'n'run on you or people die from a stroke because the ambulance is 2 hours away and underfunded

The truth is everyone evades taxes here, as much as they can.

Cultural marxism is pretty new fashion over here.

>Little shepherd girl from the mountains goes to college
>tries to fit in
>forgets she used to suckle milk directly from a goat
>OMG I'M SO EUROPEAN NOW
>goes back home
>hello dad, muh 368 genders, muh lgbqgshd+ rights
>dady doesn't beat her because it's illegal now and he loves his little princess

We used to be great people and now we are turning to shit, it's so sad (except from athenians, they were always faggots and boylovers).

Spic.

How hard is it for a native english speaker to learn greek?

Yeah I've seen that shit on Aussie Ant1.
the farmers striking and doing stupid shit.
I have mixed feelings about everything so can't give you a solid stance on where I stand. One thing I'm proud of is that I'm Aussie first and have no right to talk to Greeks about Greek politics because I don't live there.
I see a lot of stupid "Greek-Australians" talk shit when they have no idea and don't want to be one of those ppl.

Here is a few statements that I stand by though

Greek Australians are fucken moronic always chasing their dreams of being recognised as Greek when they are not.

My parents were better off in Greece then moving to Australia due to the lifestyle change of not being around your culture , ppl, music and tv.

Australia is full.. Greek immigrants won't like it here if you come and you'll have to deal with Greek-Australians which are generally cunts.

I have tried to hire some Greeks to do work for my business through outsourcing to help my heritage out a bit.. but they all ask for ridiculous per hour wages which seems insane to me for a place where there is no jobs.

Regardless of all Greece problems and my attitude one day I dream of retiring to my dads village and just sitting in the main square drinking my frape and shooting the shit all day with the village idiots and taking in watching AEK play at a fucken normal time not 4am in the morning here.

I know I'm Aussie as fuck.. but I yearn for that village life in my heart.