Trump"care" is Obamacare, only worse

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>vox

First of all, Commie, GTFO.
Secondly, he's not even in office.
Thirdly, its just a step in the right direction, once power is taken away from hospital lobbyists, medicare will be super cheap.

>if you don't force everyone to pay for insurance less people will pay for insurance

Woah

WOOOOOOOOOO GO TRUMP CUT MY HEALTHCARE

LET INSURANCE COMPANIES NOT COVER PREEXISTING CONDITIONS!

>Once power is taken away from hospital lobbyists

He says this without irony .

>if you don't cover people, they get bankrupt from paying healthcare bills when they do get sick.

He said the government was going to cover those people.

You monkeys are as retarded as the trump supporters.

>source: literally just a political lobby group

never change, vox

>He said the government was going to cover those people.

Yeah not like trump's a lying sack of shit who conned his voters. OH WAIT YES HE IS

>no longer forcing young people to buy insurance they dont need at gunpoint is a bad thing
>no longer forcing people to buy insurance they cant afford at gunpoint is a bad thing

I was about to say "good, one less filthy commie"
But on the off chance you're serious...
Its only a short time thing, once he gets into office and fixes the absurd power pharmaceutical companies have over everyone health care will be much cheaper.

Even bernie sanders agrees they have to much power.

This, if you didn't realize Obamacare was a scam when the government kept your tax returns and the corporation they support raised your premiums 50-99% then idk what to tell you.

Obamacare was basically just a large tax increase for the average healthy person. A tax on being alive...lol.

>21 million uninsured
good. when those faggot jews bring this up, they mean fat fucks and smokers. not children.

He's literally promising you retards the government healthcare you've always wanted.

We don't even really know what Trumpcare looks like yet. He said he's not unveiling it until Obamacare is repealed. And even then, once Congress gets their hands on it, it will turn into something else, just like Obamacare did.

he said hes repealing the day his health and human services secretary gets through confirmation hearings

Fuck 'em. If they don't work they can die.

>He's literally promising you retards the government healthcare you've always wanted.

He also promised every a free pony THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE GETTING A FREE PONY YOU IDIOT

>Bunch of Progressive, Socialist country pretty much have free health care from tax revenue
>Muricans actually pay on average 3 times more in healthcare cost in taxes compared to other nation.
>Bu bu but..... problems are the eevil insurance companies and shiiiiiiit!! It's not the fucking pharmaceutical and medical complex being as corrupt or possibly more corrupt than the military complex, but nah, it's the evil defense spending and insurance!! I saw it on reddit and shit so I'm educated!! What we need is to throw more tax money into this disgusting scheme!

Fucking 'millennial liberal intellect', I swear.

I'm not a deadbeat and have a job that provides coverage. It'll only get better once I'm not paying for some nigger's dietetic medicine.

>Muricans actually pay on average 3 times more in healthcare cost in taxes

You pay more to the insurance companies you dumb faggot.

You realize sick people drag a cost on society as a whole you dumb nigger homo faggot?

>that image
>for opposition to bring down trump, it will make the normies hate the kikes

win-win

Daily reminder that the best way to get a nice healthcare is to save money and then pay in cash.
Healthcare insurance is a joke, insurance case will happen with a near 100% chance when you get older.
ACA niggers can all die for all I care. 90% of them were probably with her anyway.

>Fuck 'em. If they don't work they can die.

Good to know Trumpfags are advocating killing off 90% of the human race

Yes. That's why they should die

And what important job do you do that somehow justifies your continued living?

>Yes. That's why they should die

>Daily reminder that the best way to get a nice healthcare is to save money and then pay in cash.

So save millions of dollars in healthcare savings accounts? Guess I should cut back on millions of beer runs.

>chart about something that doesn't exist

ok

we'll see

many people on obamacare have such high deductibles that it's useless, yet they are forced to pay for it

Survival of the fittest.

Most first world sickness is self inflicted. Bad eating, smoking, shit like that. Why should I have to be responsible for them?

>Survival of the fittest.

That's not what you think it means you dumb faggot.

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>something that doesn't exist

It does exit.

I'm sorry your mad but it looks like you're actually gonna have to get a job to pay for your AIDS

Has it occured to you that those of us who are not useless, fat diabetic fucks, literally don't give a fuck about such things?

Yeah, like I said, do you know why both the fucking taxes used for healthcare and the health insurance is so god damn high? Yeah, it's totally not the fact that unlike other countries, America doesn't have standardized cost of treatment that a hospital can charge, so they charge whatever the fuck they want shooting the insurance cost over the roof. As well as the fact that USA doesn't have a government mandate regulated competition for a pharmaceutical product so pharma giants charge whatever the fuck they want for life saving and necessary medicine? Please, do tell me, please, how is having a insurance plan created by federal government will reduce the health care cost? I'm all up for having more regulation on medical industry to achieve cheaper affordable healthcare, but what is your reasoning that having a national insurance plan will reduce the already super inflated medical cost, not make the fee go higher now that companies know they can slap on even a more of a ridiculous price now that they've got federal subsidy?

>get a job to pay for your AIDS

Yeah sure thing /r/the_donald. It's a school night tonight. Got to bed kid.

What makes you fucking THINK those people have obamacare?

Also pre-existing and that age limit shit is going to stay those are the only two good things about obamacare. Now let me explain something to you white people can't get free obamacare only fucking NIGGERS and females. White males can't get it. I am fucking in Virginia and I can't affored healthcare and i STILL can't get free shit because i'm fucking WHITE

>Has it occured to you that those of us who are not useless, fat diabetic fucks, literally don't give a fuck about such things?

So you've NEVER GOTTEN SICK IN YOUR LIFE, NEVER INJURED, NEVER HAD FAMILY MEMBERS EITHER, OR CARE ABOUT THE COST TO SOCIETY IN GENERAL?

This is why Americans need to die. Europeans believe in community and collectivism. Americans are a bunch of children who want mememe and not we.

The problem with American healthcare is cost.

Obamacare does nothing to address the cost problem except make it worse.

>claiming future predictions are objective facts
>implying this is bad anyways

>What makes you fucking THINK those people have obamacare?

Because the states covered the most under it is places like Kentucky and West Virginia. I looked up the numbers.

this

Niggers are a cost to society and the sooner we cut off the gibs the less of a burden it is to us.

>We'll be going all the way back to the dark ages of 2008, when millions were dying in the streets

>Obamacare does nothing to address the cost problem except make it worse.

OH AND REPBULCAINS WILL MAKE IT SUPER CHEAP

NO WAY THEY ARE KIKES OF THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY AND ONLY WANT PREMIUMS SUPER HIGH FOR THEIR OVERLORDS WHO PAY THEM

THEY ARE LITERALLY ALL IN BED FOR BIG PHARAM AS SANDERS VOTES ON IMPORTING CANADIAN DRUGS SHOWED

Let's face it, none of you kids even remember 2008.

Look out people, he's got caps lock on

You're a cost to society cause your shit and you sujck at life.

No actually I'm a working member of society and have my own insurance.

Republicans caused this when they blocked Truman's single payer plan in the 1940s. You now have to live with it.

>No actually I'm a working member of society and have my own insurance.

Sure thing kid.

>THERE ARE NO JOBS, TRUMP WILL CREATE THEM
>GO GET A JOB

>pic related
HOLY FUCKING KEK

If democrats weren't such pro-thirdworld-invasion, pro-disarming americans, pro-welfare state, pro-obamaphone. Maybe if 4th generation warfare wasnt being waged on the US and democrats can join in a social contract that doesnt destroy our culture, language, infrastructure. And why are democrats so eager to re-instate the establishment? The US will be better off loving everthing democrats hate until they join civilization and end their war against the US

if my monthly payments go down with open state to state plans and we have true capitalism yippy! That 21M is a joke most could no longer afford plans. They were forced to join obamacare and its mandatory, so forcing people to get to 21M wow what an achievement.

Hey, answer my question OP.
How the fuck is Obama Care or Trump Care ever going to solve the problem I've addressed. Simple, none of the big shot politician will ever touch this trillion dollar medical complex even with a mile long stick. The problem isn't even republiturds, it's all you libturds gullible enough to unable to assess the situation and eat up whatever agenda MSM and 'liberal agenda' feeds you and call your self 'educated intellectual'. If you had any fucking braincells, all the 'liberal politics' in US is just a NeoCon that says stupid shit like 'gender fluid is the new hip' never doing anything progressive, only to pander to useful idiots.

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If Obama was so great at creating full time jobs this wouldn't even be an issue.

>People think the parental coverage and pre-existing condition stuff is going to stay

Maybe the "26 and under" provision can, but if you get rid of the ACA, you have to get rid of the rules for pre-existing conditions.

It's fucking impossible to have them without the mandate and government control.

Lemme show you why.

Say I'm 40 years old, and I get myself some cancer. Well, I can't afford to pay for it, and I don't have insurance. What do I do?

Well, if you have a rule that says "no one can be turned away for having pre-existing conditions"... why not just wait to get insurance until I actually get sick?

Then I can cancel it when I'm off of treatments.

Insurance companies are forced to hike rates for everyone to compensate, which leads to more people not getting insurance until they get sick.

Downward spiral.... ends with the collapse of the medical industry.

Literally, unless you force participation in the program, or subsidize/regulate the FUCK out of it, there is no way to keep it open to those with pre-existing conditions without bankrupting the insurance industry.

>pro-obamaphone

Started by Reagan. Signed by Bush.

the states that have the highest obamacare enrollment are all red states

red states are also the most unhealthy, poor, and obese states

>How the fuck is Obama Care or Trump Care ever going to solve the problem I've addressed.

Again I'm not a Obamacare or Trumpcare supporter. I don't support the insurance jew. I support everyone being covered by government like medicare for all.

Nobody forced them to vote for Drumpf. Quite the contrary in fact, pretty much everyone told them not to.

It's time for them to die painful and horrible deaths.

Is autism covered by your insurance?

Not too many people had cellphones when Reagan was president.

Not everyone needs healthcare. Nor wants it.

>21 million fat asses uninsured
looks good.

>Implying any of those people WANT the insurance

Wow, getting fined thousands of dollars a year or paying for garbage insurance and people chose the 2nd. Really activates my almonds.

Stop stop please! This can only last 8 years and my sodium levels are already so high from your tears.

Healthcare is only expensive because injured people cannot be turned away from hospitals. Plus hospitals are all government mandated, so they can't go to the private sector.

Beaners with no means to pay go to the hospital to birth their anchor babies and to cover the cost of them getting treated, they need to ramp up the prices on people who actually have insurance.

Before all the government involvement you used to just make a house call and get the whole family checked out by a doctor for like a hundred bucks.

nowhere in that picture do you prove the person you replied to or your post wrong.

When you get Car Insurance, does it pay for your oil changes? Your tune-ups?

When you get Home Insurance, does it pay for your roof replacement? Does it pay for the remodeling?

The answer is no.

So why does Health Insurance pay for checkups and medication.

Insurance isn't supposed to be a catch-all for everything, it's meant for covering you in catastrophic events.

If insurance was only provided to the people who needed it, insurance would not be feasible.

No one wants to pay money for insurance that they don't think they will need... but no one ever knows when they will need it.

>he thinks they all dint bend to big pharma
They spend nearly half a mil per congress person

>Healthcare is only expensive because injured people cannot be turned away from hospitals

So your solution is literal Somalia?

Easy, because checkups and medications reduce costs for insurance companies.

I mean, are you retarded? Think about it for one second. The insurance companies exist to make money. They originally started offering checkup/medication coverage to make more money.

A man who gets checkups every year is a good patient for them. If they do get a disease, it's caught earlier on average... and thus the treatment is less expensive. They want their customers to be as healthy as possible.

Car insurance companies don't care if you drive a junker. They just don't want you to get in an accident with it. If the car dies or isn't tuned properly, how does it hurt them? But some will reward good driving.

It's all about the money.

I think his solution is getting rid of all the illegals who exploit the health system

Lol you sound like a mad fucking loser kill yourself my man. Cheers queerbait!

Those costs wouldn't be there in the first place if the insurance companies only covered life-threatening emergencies, like heart attacks or immediate surgery.

You're cutting a shitload of cost out if you stop paying out for everyone's visits to the doctor when they get the sniffles.

insurance isn't healthcare.

the more government messes with healthcare, the less there will be.

We need an entirely tax free, and free market, healthcare system.

Before the government was involved, medicine was cheap.

I literally have a medical school prof (ancient) who went to med school when tuition was like 500 a year at a state school. Now my school is 50,000 a year.

Medicine used to be something you could practice with a bit of know-how and like, 10 drugs. Now if you want to provide adequate care you need facilities that cost millions of dollars (you ever see the pricetag on an MRI?)

Im so torn on this.
I have a fairly good job, I don't mind paying a lil more for my HC if it means others who really need HC can get it.

but on the other hand i don't think you should force people to pay for HC. giving the option, i would not have it.

i'm okay with obamacare or trumpcare.
my life is still pretty good either way.

i know Sup Forums will disagree but i do feel that as Americans we have a responsibility to help other Americans, it only makes America as a whole stronger.

Not even close. Insurance companies initiated these programs on their own, because their people found that paying for checkups reduced costs long term.

If someone goes into a hypertensive emergency, it costs tens of thousands (and sometimes hundreds of thousands) of dollars to get them back on their feet. Checkups over 20 years (and some anti-hypertension meds) cost a couple grand, at most.

>24 posts
>still can't justify without using insults why other people should pay for your healthcare

Just to clarify, it wasn't really the government that made medicine more expensive. It's much more expensive for the same reason that a navy ship costs much more in 2017 than it did in 1817. Different expected standards, technology is more expensive.

The problem is, a lot of the "big" easy medical breakthroughs already happened. Now we spend 10s of thousands squeezing out a month more in healthiness, when in the past simple fixes (like washing hands in pregnancy wards) increased average lifespan by years.

Also

>Somalian national health system that aims to provide universal basic healthcare to all citizens

Somalia has socialized healthcare

>BTFO

>being uninsured is a bad thing

t. fat fuck with diabetes

>I literally have a medical school prof (ancient) who went to med school when tuition was like 500 a year at a state school. Now my school is 50,000 a year.

you can blame Ronald Reagan for that, buddy

muh reagan bogeeyman

>"first of all commie"
>supports a socialist

repeal is good
"replacement" is codeword for socialism

>First of all, Commie, GTFO.
>Secondly, he's not even in office.
>Thirdly, its just a step in the right direction, once power is taken away from hospital lobbyists, medicare will be super cheap.

Screencap and bookmark boys this'll be a good one in any case

>vox
>vox
>vox

Sage in all fields

Nope, there's a third option: the insurance company charges you a shitload. What a lot of people don't know is that the ACA put a cap on how much premiums can cost. Since there are really sick people that cost a lot of money that are forced under obamacare, the insurance companies have to spread the costs to everyone. Without that provision, the insurance company can just dump the cost all onto that one person (the way it should be).

That picture pretty much sums of 80% of Trump's voting base.

Fucking Christ.

>muh 20 million
>completely ignore most of those people can never use it because of high deductibles
>completely ignore the rest of the country that suffers and the massive damage its done to the economy, especially small business

>8 years of these absolutely asshurt Liberals posting on Sup Forums
jesus, these next 8 years are going to be fucking glorious and delicious

Congrats on being a retarded faggot. Americans already visit the doctor far less than any other country; the reason why Insurance companies like it when you go to the doctor is because catching shit early means less costs for them than a sudden surprise health issue.

Also if you ever think being uninsured is a good idea you're literally retarded. I sure hope you never get into an accident and get bankrupted because you're a stupid fuck.

Your elitism is part of why you lost. I guess that will keep happening because the left as a whole hasnt seemed to learn any empathy for people who disagree with them.

None of your business. I get paid and pay my taxes. Fuck you.