Get in here, fags!

Get in here, fags!
The House of Representatives is voting to repeal ObamaCare!
youtube.com/watch?v=YzY8t3jG1uw

digits confirm

but my digits confirm this repeal attempt will fail

>Democrats defending Obamacare

Dog shits on carpet

Don't touch that turd

We don't have anything to replace that pile of shit

Time to see king niggers legacy disappeared forever

Ssssshhhhhhheeeeeeeiiiiiitttt

where the fuck is everyone? posting in cuckolding generals?

I was honestly surprised there weren't any threads about this

obamacare has soured people on universal healthcare. too bad because a lot of people in this nation are hurting and it seems like any good nat soc would want his countrymen covered.

ooga booga but muh welfare

Bump

Also it's only a few people in the court ?

>666
What could this mean?!?!

Devil trips

Not for dindus. America will need quite the trimming before there's even a chance for any kind of universal healthcare policy

Shut the FUCK UP SATAN!!

YES REPEAL THAT SHIT.

it is such a pain in the ass and it fucks the middle class as hard as it possibly can

REPEAL IT

He voice is annying as shit, she sounds like a muppet

>universal healthcare in a country that is 70% overweight and over 35% obese, filled with gibsmedats niggers and illegal beans
no thanks. here's the solution: eliminate the state line barriers for insurance companies and let them compete.

I do support government healthcare for people with pre-existing conditions that they have no control over (type 1 diabetes, other genetic disorders), but not for self-inflicted conditions like smoking tobacco, alcoholism, obesity, etc.

>Nashon

that chat

Yeah no healthcare
Yeah no coverage of pr existing conditions

>eliminate the state line barriers for insurance companies and let them compete.

Ever heard of credit card companies in the 1970s? We tried this shit. they all went to fucking North Dakota because it had the least regulations and was a fucking disaster.

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This is a burger chat.
Not a kraut chat.

THE FREE RIDE IS OVER, BITCHES

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

lefty-Sup Forums/((reddit)) trying hard to spam their bullshit among a sea of bullshit.
funny stuff

Hell no! We need mo moneh for dam programs!

THE FREE RIDE IS OVER DEMONCRAPS

>Most econimcly prosperous country in history
Are dems really that distanced from real people ?

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Are you fucks really trying to stop the nigger baby genocide?

Do you have any idea what you are messing with?

>mfw I qualify for nearly democrat free ride
>mfw I don't want this shit because I'd rather work for mine
>I can't move up in life because so much of my paycheck is being taken to subsidize these democrat free ride programs

guys, it's fiscally irresponsible to stop punishing the poor for being poor.
because rhode island will do better than everyone else

>day in congress
>Various democrats all get up and give slight variations on the same exact speech with the same buzzwords and talking points
>republicans blow up their "arguments" with facts and logic
>democrats start talking in circles until they confuse you in the nonsense
>congress closes out for the day
>nothing gets done
Why do we keep the left around?

today's buzzphrase "Fiscally irresponsible" ,take a shot every time you hear it.

Basically everyone around me tells me that if you're diagnosed with say, a rare auto-immune disease (that's absolutely not your fault), insurance companies
A) outright refuse to pay you
B) raise your premiums to unpayable amounts
C) you can never ever switch to a "better" insurance coverage in any case and you're basically stuck with your current one

So given how most auto-immune stuff comes up when you're around ~18, how does the US health system actually deal with cases like this? I'm having a hard time to defend private healthcare/health insurance because it's pretty hard to find info about this. How hard/expensive is it to actually afford (good) insurance? Do they really drop your coverage if you're diagnosed with some rare /chronic/ shit? Everyone in Europe seems to think that health coverage is literally unaffordable (at least a couple thousands of dollars) and that the US system is extremely predatory. I've even heard stories of people being literally assassinated so the insurance company doesn't have to pay them.

that guy was just saying that repealing obamacare will cause our national debt to "explode" (increase).

can someone explain the logic behind that? i didn't hear his whole spiel but sounds ridiculous.

Being from Arizona all I have to say is Fuck Rhode Island.

Obamacare functions as a tax.

Jesus, what a cluster fuck of a chart

>posted this before the republicans started the BTFO
>tune back in
>first republican brings out a fucking chart and a 5 point plan
>mfw
The only thing that would make this better is if you got ejected from DC if you get beat in a debate

lmao I hear it too

Once you get a benefit from the government they can't just take it away.

So the subsidy stays, but the taxes from it go away if they just kill it.

It's happening!

witnessed

We're empowering patients.

accurate representation for a cluster fuck healthcare system

I don't know anything about the american health care system. Can anyone give me an explanation why obamacare is shit?

its gibsmedats.

It was supposed to be cheap healthcare and gibmedats for niggers and the poor, but Obama is a retard and can't into economics. Obamacare is quickly becoming MORE expensive then normal health insurance while putting extra taxes on the middle class

It's basically socialized medicine, Insurance Companies got a carte blanche so to speak to charge whatever they want in order to cover poor people, but in doing so they had to raise prices for people actually paying for health insurance who aren't poor. It's garbage all around

It provided no healthcare all while making everyone poor in the process

unless you're an illegal, then its free health care

Middle class used to just pay for themselves.
Now they pay for the poor too.

It isn't shit.

It was invented by Romney.

The more sick people with health insurance, the more expensive premiums become.

Under Obamacare less kids die because their parents are poor but more middle class and above Americans pay increased premiums.

In the typically American fashion this triggers half the country because they don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves, their guns and their immediate family.

The biggest thing about this that NO ONE is bringing up is the people between poor and lower middle. Or the "American Dreamers" as I like to call them. They eat the same penalties as the middle class without the extra income to allow them to prosper. Middle class got stuck, everything lower got fucked into poverty again

>think of muh children

So everyone is getting sicker and poorer under Obamacare.

Well said.

Nat socs are just white supremacist capitalists at this point, because they fail to realize the meaning of being a soc.

They don't want to help the white man, they just want to hurt the non-white man.

That's not nat soc.

>Debby Whatshername Shultz who got kicked off the DNC is speaking

LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Holy shit, why is this disgraced jew talking?

>people dont like supporting the same leeches who would probably break in to their house and rob/rape them.

suprise suprise

What do you expect from a socialist? Never works.

the jew is eternal, they never go away

>yfw Obungacare will be destroyed within Obunga's term.

This is just not true though, the money is there, its just stashed on wall street

Does this guy have legit autism

WOW this fucking guy, what's up his ass? He basically said the ACA was good because it sucked shit

>mwf

>T-the free market will fix healthcare! We just need more competition

KEK

Let me break the whole problem down for you.

Imagine you own a shop. There are two types of shoppers. X and Y. X shoppers always make you money, while Y shoppers always cost you (they like, destroy your shop accidentally and you can't make them pay for it to recoup). Who are you going to let into your shop?

Insurance companies only like healthy people... but healthy people only get insurance because they fear that they will turn into unhealthy people.

With me so far? Pretty easy at this point.

Now, what happens when sick people try to buy insurance? No matter what premiums you charge them/deductibles you force, sick people make insurance companies lose money if you look at the period for when they need insurance. Always... because if you charged them the amount you were spending (plus a premium to make them as profitable as healthy people), it's often just as cheap for the patients to simply pay the doc, removing the need for insurance.

Except few can pay high healthcare costs out of pocket.

So, insurance has no incentive to take on people with pre-existing conditions unless they get compensated by the govt., or if they are legally forced to without compensation. If they are legally forced to, they have to jack up prices on healthy people, reducing the amount that get insurance (and causing a feedback loop of increasing prices).

Between 1/6th and 1/4th (depending on who you ask to track it, liberal vs. conservative) of Americans could lose insurance/see the rates jacked up astronomically if pre-existing conditions are no longer covered.

If a republican congress and president end up throwing at least 50 million Americans out of insurance (or trying to keep them in at the expense of a feedback loop of increased costs because they refuse to use a mandate/government subsidies through increased taxes) they will lose the next elections handily.

yes better to let people get into debt with finklestein

Where's all the Republicans btw? All I see is a bunch of butthurt liberals

He'd veto if it was actually during his term, they'll wait for it to end before sending it to the president, obviously

Come home, black man.

>de empty seats

ObongoCare is garbage. it needs to go by bye.

These Democrats are literally retarded. There's no other explanation.

they turned health insurance into an entitlement program

It is like requiring auto insurance to cover
Oil changes
Inspections
Tires

....and cars already wreaked would be covered and fixed up

they honestly believed it would save money

honestly, it just needs to be knocked down and started over. it is a completely fucked system and one of the only things both the insurance executives and medical people I know can agree on.

If you look at any credible study, the cost increase over the last x years is directly related to the cost of hiring administrative staff to support the insurance/regulations/audits/accreditation/licenses/compliance issues that are completely unfunded mandates from the government. Honestly, if I went position by position, I bet 50% of the jobs at my hospital are non-patient care, which are non-revenue generating. Fuck, the utilization management department has $250,000 in SALARY (+benefits, equipment, training, etc) alone, which is all paid through massive billing inflation. They're literally nurses getting paid $75,000 a year to argue with nurses at the insurance company, who also make $75,000 a year, over whether or not the stay is going to be covered. that's INSANITY.

The thing that drives me the craziest are that there are regulations about having to treat patients that can't pay and how many bathrooms a facility has to have and rules about how many hours you have to provide an interpreter for some border jumper, but ONE STATE has a law about nurse to patient ratios. The government is so concerned about poor little Ricardo M. Taco getting some kind of treatment that it creates a million mandates, but then doesn't say shit about the basic quality of the care he's getting.

I'm convinced this is why our society is shit - if we lived in a society that was truly leftist, the government would tell everyone what to do about everything. If it were truly a free-market, the government wouldn't say shit. What we have now is a system that's half-way in-between and complete SHIT.

Coming in late, what just happened

Are they finally fucking voting now!? They were having a bunch of faggots talk forever before I turned it off.

Because racists hate that a black guy introduced it. That's it, just plain and old racism.

Is it over?

>Can anyone give me an explanation why obamacare is shit?
It addresses symptoms without problems.

the tl;dr is that in the US insurance = healthcare.

Obamacare is based off of a republican program Romney ran in Massachusetts that offsets government costs for healthcare by fining you if you don't have insurance.

It's shit because that means there's a run on people buying insurance, which should lower prices, but our insurance market is a giant fucking scam where the groups have carved out territory and charge essentially whatever they want(a lot like internet ISPs).

It also doesn't help that a lot of red states outright refused to take federal funds allocated for covering the poor and those making less than middle-class wages, which meant they passed hte price to insurance companies, who then raised everyone's premiums.

There is no alternative. YOU GOT DUPED BY CHEETO JESUS, HAVE FUN DYING FROM DIABETES YOU FAT FUCKS

Who cares? They've done this like 100+ times. Obama will veto it all the way up until the 20th. This is just easy showboating for elected reps.

Good, as it should be.

Did they repeal it yet?

>mr.thornberry
That's a real name ?

Also what does mattis have to do with this?

I beleive it will take time to get to preisdents desk. I think you are baiting but i doubt they would do this and expect obama to still be in office

So you're saying the government has the right to take other people's money to pay for something that will ultimately fail?

>Also what does mattis have to do with this?
Different issues. They have to pass a bill to waive the 10 year retirement requirement for secdef

I'm not baiting. Trump has already indicated the timeline on addressing the Obamacare fiasco. He wants to make sure that the transition to a new program is done correctly. The man probably pays healthcare benefits to tens of thousands of employees so I think he sees the idea of affordable healthcare for americans as just the cost of business/keeping america competitive.

They already passed it, Mattis is in

Fucking this. Why doesn't anyone in government talk about this? There's no reason a 2 doctor private practice should need 5 fucking administrative assistants. There's no reason a Hospital should more closely resemble a law firm than a care center.

You just can't expect an industry to function properly under that kind of burden.

since it's a bill, house has to pass it too. only senate confirmed him and passed their bill

Yeah but he's as good as in, everyone likes him

I hope this bill gets through and Trump cucks the House even more

Sure, I was merely answering the guy who asked why there was floor debate on mattis right now

Well first you need to understand the two major types: socialized healthcare and single player healthcare.

Under socialized healthcare, you pay your insurance company a fee so that they insure you and cover some of the cost of hospital visits, while the rest is covered by the government and comes out of taxes.

Under single payer healthcare, you just pay for it. If you get a hospital bill for whatever amount of money, you pay that amount. The US however does have health insurance companies who, for a monthly or yearly fee, will cover all or part of the cost.

Obamacare is neither. It takes the single payer system and forces people to buy their insurance at "affordable rates" from insurance companies who have Obama in their pockets, even if people are happy with the insurance they currently have and the companies who provide it.

On top of this, you pay a fine if you don't have insurance, so either way they're getting their money out of you. It's all in the name of making healthcare "affordable" to "low income families" (dindus) but all they're really doing is consolidating the companies who are permitted to provide health insurance and creating a monopoly.

ah

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To the people who got here late the current topic...

> "To provide for an exception to a limitation against appointment of persons as Secretary of Defense within seven years of relief from active duty as a regular commissioned officer of the Armed Forces."

lol, did they get rid of flags in the youtube chat thing?