The Hellenic societies were the absolute peak of Human civilization
The societies of the Hellenic people (Greeks and Romans) hit the perfect recipe for human civilization never before seen.
>Valued strength >Almost everyone was decently in shape >No lazy people sitting around all the time doing nothing >Men raised by their fathers >Had amazing sports >Recognized honor and camaraderie >Amazing art >Buildings were both efficient and extravagant >Valued philosophy >Cared for virtue >Wanted glory
Will we ever be able to go back to the values and ideas of the Greco-Roman people?
Adrian Moore
It's also worth to mention that the only reason they fell is because they lost these values.
Christian Lopez
>No lazy people sitting around all the time doing nothing
lol
Jason Robinson
you forgot >pounded each others' ass
thanks, I'll do without
Blake Moore
Don't forget the Romans also got multiculturalism right. The Empire was a mix of many religions and cultures, but above those differences, every citizen was expected to be Roman.
Thomas Johnson
>lazy urbanites that were only successful because of the hard work of the agrarian's they conquered and exploited lel
Nolan Lopez
Nice hat.
John Foster
Rome wasn't multicultural, it was multi-ethnic. Romans sneered at Barbarian "culture" and edgy kids that appropriated it, proper Romans didn't couldn't even stand the faggotry of Greek culture.
Kayden Gomez
The difference being that all the people were still homogeneous in their respective homelands, there wasn't mass mixing and importing undesirable niggers and terrorapists into your homeland like you're doing right now.
Zachary Edwards
that is a meme said by literally any civilization, in any moment of their history that a rich pic coming from you boi
Thomas Anderson
i think france has or is at least close to falling
Joshua Robinson
>france >not one of the forerunners of mass cuckoldry in our modern world you've had so many terror attacks people stopped caring or counting
Hunter Hill
>proper Romans didn't couldn't even stand the faggotry of Greek culture.
Uh huh
Michael Wilson
>No lazy people sitting around all the time doing nothing
Half of Rome's population lived on welfare.
Isaac Gomez
Oh really? That's the only reason? It has nothing to do with Diocletian establishing a system of having multiple leaders (Two Augustus', Two Caesars), the Edict of Caracalla, the splitting of Rome, the constant civil wars, the strife between different parts of Rome which were essentially operating independently by this point had nothing to do with it?
You just wanna fall for the 18th century Edward Gibbon tier degeneracy meme? Okay then. But Graeco-Roman civilization was a civilization like ours is today. Undoubtedly we're contributing to future civilizations and their advancement now if we don't wipe our selves out. The Greeks and even more so the Romans just have the honour of being the foundation of modern politics.
Jaxson Collins
Except Greek was the intellectual language of Rome and the Roman Empire eventually became a Greek empire
Gavin Gomez
> Romans > Hellenic
WoW it's another 'I have never opened an history book' thread by a burger.
Luis Young
Also wanted to say this
Jonathan Wood
where the fuck is Romania?i thought their language is 80% latin
Andrew Murphy
gipsys stole the language
Elijah Ortiz
If you actually studied Rome at an academic level, or simply read the literature written by actual fucking Romans, you'd know some of this wasn't the case.
>Valued strength Like most societies before the shitty post-modern, and even then, non-Western countries still value it as a capitol principle >Almost everyone was decently in shape Well, almost everyone worked in a profession that required physical strength. I guess not the merchants, which Juvenal has one or two poems about them being a bit lazy, and obviously some Patricians who were always carried around on a litter >No lazy people sitting around all the time doing nothing Other than landlords (tons of literature on this too) and a few patricians yeah I suppose. Even merchants had to travel/walk often >Had amazing sports Bloodsports are interesting to study, especially considering the 200+ fighting styles in the Colosseum's gladiator fighting alone >Recognized honor and camaraderie Definitely more so than today >Amazing art also valued more than it is today, some of the graffiti at Pompeii is funny as fuck too >Buildings were both efficient and extravagant Wait, what? Other than the monuments, temples, government buildings, and domii which obviously would look nice, regular buildings constantly collapsed, caught fire, and were poorly managed. Cicero talks about this at length >valued philosophy Yeah, the upper classes. Better than valuing feminism and other nu-male bullshit like our upper classes, though. >cared for virtue >wanted glory Yeah. Triumphal parades after a military conquest would be a hell of a sight to see.
Yeah, you're mostly right, I guess.
If you guys want to read more about Rome from Roman authors I highly suggest forumromanum, google it
Levi Howard
Romans fetishized the Greeks dude, all of the aristocracy spoke Greek.
Obviously they weren't proper Hellenics, but they loved em.
Christopher Rogers
I don't know why you think you know so much lol.
>everyone wasn't in shape Maaaaaaybe a few in Rome, but everyone in Greece was fucking ripped. It's why the Athenians were able to charge the Persians in full panoply at Marathon.
Ayden Thomas
Literally all classical civilisations had these traits. Thats why they were classical civilisations
Juan Cook
Saving this flag.
William Cook
peak of society , couldnt go above euclidean geometry, didnt know the colours blue and green to the extent that philologists like nietzsche believed them to be colour blind , generally only described what they could see, didnt know or understand the concept of infinity or emptiness, while earliest faustian societys like India started using abstract math, invented the notion of zero and also understood numbers as we use them today (as opposed to numbers as a length only like ancient greeks/romans)
what your point you uneducated dumb burger?
Gabriel Morris
romans were conquered by the gaul originally, and dominated for ages.
they stole everything they knew from the gaul, and every single civilisation they conquered they stole from.
Romans invented NOTHING.
They are literally the civilization form of what happens to abused children.
Jace Reed
The aristocracy did, the common people didn't. Gaius Marius, an equestrian and a soldier's general, would leave the theatre in protest when it was playing or something to that effect.
Connor Parker
>Atia of Julii i call for justice
What did she mean by this and why the fuck her voice is still in my head?
Colton Peterson
god you are dumb, the romans were never conquered by anybody, the only reason why the romans ultimately "fell" is because they split into a triumvirate at one point and later on into many seperate nation states
gauls contributed nothing, absolutely nothing to the advancement of mankind
romans invented the civilization in western europe and greeks the culture which surrounded it , you can understand the greeks on their own but the romans you can only understand through the greeks, because the romans didnt invent a single myth on their own but copy pasted everything from the greeks
Henry Thomas
But then christianity made everyone weak and apathetic.
Christian Morris
Here's your (You), Canadian time-traveler
Jackson Morgan
The only thing they took is their helmet and sword designs and those were from Celts in Spain you retarded nigger. They never used jack shit from Gaul, they didn't "steal" from people Jamal.
They advanced designs of others and in conjunction with their own created an Empire. If you can't work off of what others have you will forever be a piece of shit retard.
Daniel Morales
> Filthy barbarians gauçs > Contributing shit to civilization
Fuck YOU
Thomas Howard
>No lazy people sitting around all the time doing nothing >had a fucking grain dole Yea ok