USA fighting with UK, Russia and France against Germany: victory

>USA fighting with UK, Russia and France against Germany: victory
>USA fighting on their own in Vietnam: defeat

Can America only win a war when they have allies?

>Germany fighting any war: loses

France also lost against the Vietnamese communist to you retard.

>europoor education

the French lost to the exact same people you fucking moron. look up the second French-IndoChina war

So the U.S. military is just as weak as the French army?

>loses every war

>doesnt even know basic history

>calls others weak

allowing germany to exist after both world wars was a mistake

So you're saying the U.S. military is not as weak as France's, they simply lost in Vietnam for other reasons?

You do realize the US military beat the viet cong into oblivion, right? That the Tet offensive was a colossal failure for the communist and after the bombing of the ho chi mihn trail, they disbanded?

of course you dont because your a typical dumb european teenager whos pissy about america for no reason. We rebuilt your nation, tried to teach you democracy, and protected you against communist, and you animals still bitch about us.

At least you are destorying yourselves now.

>You do realize the US military beat the viet cong into oblivion

Got it.

The Vietcong were fighting for 'freedom'.
America was fighting against communism. Although both governments were both horribly corrupt, so it doesn't really matter which side won.

I wasn't aware we lost Vietnam.

>I wasn't aware we lost Vietnam.

Now you know, but if it helps: apparently the French lost too, so you're not alone.

holy fucking shit, american didnt lose ,a treaty was signed and there was peace so we left, fucking tree niggers attacked when we left and overwhelmed the south

This is what happens when you provide internet access at refugee camps

I said that because its true. Go read literally anything about the Tet Offensive and try to find anything that says it wasnt a colossal failure on the part of charlie

We didn't have liberals handcuffing us in WWII, but WWII was also very much a Russia-Germany affair. The whole thing is apples to oranges.

and btw thats the extraction of a VIP and the civilians were all trying to get on, no military

>USA fighting with UK, Russia and France against Germany: victory
>USA fighting on their own in Vietnam: defeat
>Don't forget the Iraq war too they lost that too. Face it America is all talk. Literally. They think they are tough but can't even keep their own society in line. Well no country can at the moment.

>democracy
>1000000 people vote yes for x
>999999 vote no for x
>x=yes from now on
kys amerifat

>US loses
>58,315 military personnel dead, 303,644 wounded
>Negligible civilain losses

>NVA and VC losses
> 444,000–1,100,000 military personnel dead or missing, 600,000+ wounded
>65,000 civilians dead

So this... is the power.... of communism....

>I hate self determination! Im a stupid child who needs a master to cuck me into submission REEEE!-t. europleb

lol no wonder europe is dying. I guess all the smart ones either got the fuck out of there in the 1800s and/or died in the world wars.

>not counting all your allies losses but counting all enemy losses
lol usa in a nutshell

>Im a stupid child who needs a master to cuck me into submission

But you already have a master.

>>Don't forget the Iraq war too they lost that too

I know. Its still humiliating to think of how Saddam successfully pushed americans out of his country

>Im a stupid child who needs a master to cuck me into submission REEEE!
projection much?

I love butthurt little german muslims who will never be great as America.

Thanks for inspring me to hate you even more.

BTW we would of won Vietnam had it been better coordinated. We were too focused on body count than actual conquest and territory gain.

at least germany fight against major world powers, but american lost to chink FARMERS

how embarassing!

>germany fighting any war = everyone in the fucking world except 2 people team up to fight them because everyone is too pussy to fight germany 1v1

>america fighting gook farmers in jungle = "W-W-WE JUST LEFT, WE DIDN'T LOSE, TACTICAL RETREAT!!!"

Haha. This. The US didn't loose. Hippie degenerates forced the US to stop.

Armies set up for conventional warfare, like the armies of most civilized countries, do really bad in guerrilla wars.

>da j00z!

Israel was cucked by Obama user. Once again, showing how dumb you are

its not projecting. you clearly hate democracy and want some shitty fascist system to rule over you because you know your people are too dumb to rule themselves and need to be treated like the dirty sluts you are.

>unironically thinking that democracy allows for self determination instead of being just another way of controlling the masses
You didn't take the blue pill, you took the blue suppository

>Hippie degenerates forced the US to stop

The U.S. military -- so mighty it can be stopped by a bunch of hippies.

America wasn't "defeated".
South Vietnam didn't pull their own weight and quit fighting.
What's the point?

>Israel was cucked by Obama user.

What getting cucked by Obama may look like.

I missed the part where the Vietcong occupied Washington DC.

allowing America to exist ever was a mistake.

>he doesnt like democracy
>must be a fascist
americans, everyone

>'freedom'.
There is no translatable word in vietnamese for freedom. True fact. The vietnamese could not understand what the word meant.

You had allies who fought on the war too my friend.

>USA + Allies
Total dead: 479,668 – 807,311

>North Vietnam & Viet Cong
Total dead: 510,114–1,166,114

Doesn't seem so good now eh?

Hey don't forget about us ya filthy muslim

Kraut nigger Russian rape baby is angry

The average time an infantryman in World War would spend in combat per year was ten days.

In Vietnam that number was around 250+ of combat per year.

Vietnam was a different war in that it wasn't measured in yards or miles gained but in an actual body count of the enemy.

There were no clear battle lines or win conditions and the enemy would blend i n with the population at a second's notice.

>I missed the part where the Vietcong occupied Washington DC.

They're probably hiding between the muslims.

>but WWII was also very much a Russia-Germany affair.

Except for, you know, the half of the war that happened in the Pacific and China.

the Americans didn't lose Vietnam. they brought South Vietnam to parity, ensured that parity would continue, and started withdrawing. the Democrats killed off the support we were giving South Vietnam and that's what doomed the country.

Weren't our good friends the Aussies very much involved in Vietnam also?

lmao at the guy who removed marx from this picture

im a ukrainian i want the US to invade us and show us freedom

>Face it America is all talk. Literally.
Says the country we kept alive with food and weapons. You fuckers would be speaking german if not for us.

>Be US
>Go to Vietnam to stop the spread of Communism.
>Kill a million + gooks while there.
>Communism doesn't spread.
>Leave
Yeah. We lost that one boys. How will we ever recover.

>democracy
>1000000 people vote yes for x
>999999 people vote no for x
>realize it's a republic not a democracy
>Fuck you Croat

Allowing Sweden to even breathe is a mistake.

>Can America only win a war when they have allies?
Look at Irak. Irakis practically threw their weapons away in 2003. USA had allies. But they didn't exactly win. Instead they turned Irak into an ungovernable Afghanistan 2.0, a playground for terrorists, and then halfheartedly abandoned the whole region altogether.

USA are losing their empire status just as the Brits did. In 20 years, they will no longer be a world power.

I dont know why euro fags disrespect the usa because we are the only military you guys have. Your whole continents military doesn't compare to ours

Basically a proxy war with Russia and the US was fighting with one hand behind their back. Hippies and marxism corrupting the US and its gov haf much more to do with the "defeat" in Vietnam than the jungle gook sewer rats

>Says the country we kept alive with food

The miracle here being that Americans voluntarily parted with their food.

>Vietnam: defeat
nice meme

>Germany posting pictures of muslims in another country

>Germany
>Fights war with two powerful allies
>Loses anyways
>France
>Fights majority of Europe
>Wins
>America
>Fights against poor rice farmers
>Hippie fucks make us lose any way
Nice try Ahmedistan
>France

I'd make you my bitch.

>Be american
>Cant express your opinion in english properly

>107091075
>USA fighting on their own in Vietnam: defeat

Veitnam was backed up by the Soviet Union you fuckhead

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>Your whole continents military doesn't compare to ours

Then I'd say Vietnam is safe from us too.

probably a spic

>(((democracy)))

kys you bluepilled fateritrash

The Russians literally owned half of Germany till 1990 you fags should have been the ones gassed

Ha, I knew those fanatical Russophobes with Irish flags here were actually cockholes scrubbing toilets there

my unlce is a russian and he fought in vietnam but they werent given a veteran status to keep it low

>4 new posts
America could fight the whole of europe and win easily

>The Russians literally owned half of Germany

Israel owns 100% of America.

But you still failed to stop communism spreading all the way to the south in a sense you did lose the Vietnam war as your objective is to halt the encroaching communist influence.

While us and good ol' papa jack manage to halt Communism without any super high tech mumbo jumbo thingamagic just sheer manliness and comradeship between us and ol papa jack

This. Im glad the Stasi fucked them up.

We didnt lose Vietnam, pussy liberals ended the war right as we were smashing the North

>North Vietnam claimed 1.1 million soldiers and noncombatants died during the war due to American actions, while 58,220 Americans and about 313,000 South Vietnamese combatants died in the conflict. The official US Department of Defense figure was 950,765 communist forces killed in Vietnam from 1965 to 1974.

So combined US/SV losses were 371,220 with the overwhelming majority of those being ARVN forces. This compares to NVA and VC losses somewhere in the 800,000 to 1.1 million range.

All of which doesn't even matter since the thread was made under the presumption that America lost the war, so of course I'm only going to consider American casualties.

So in other words, we consistently beat the living shit out of the NVA and VC at almost every engagement in the war. The only reasons we stopped fighting was because the war was no longer worth our money, effort, and blood.

Don't you have Friday prayer, Muhammad?

>tried to teach you democracy
you do realize the point was that democracy is shit and saying that by bringing democracy you did something good is bs

yeah. Germanigger said the US military lost to vietnam forces, which is wrong.

what happened to your royal navy after ww2? oh ya gone
Any conventional war fought now US would sweep we have 19 aircraft carriers the rest of the world has 20 we would sweep anywar.

Didn't we like lose 60k people, while they lost like 1.7 million?
Yeah we totally lost.

>Claim America lost the war
>Prove America did exceptionally well
>Claim America lost because someone else lost

Stop moving the goalpost. If third world auxillaries got their shit pushed in, that's on them. America did just fine.

we get it, youre a cuck who wants to be ruled over by a dictator because you cant even dress yourself in the morning

Did Soviet Union lose the Afghan war?

We were winning Vietnam until treee hugger hippy leftists like Jane Fonda protested enough and got the government to pull out of Vietnam. After the US forces were gone the Vietcong just steamrolled over the South. If we "lost" Vietnam I blame you fucking liberal idiots.

>fights major world powers loses turns socialist after economy turns to shit and then loses again
Secondly why are you talking about the old german nation your not even the same nation anymore it changed both times lol.

Note I'm including north and south casualties. I mean, we just wanted to kill some gooks.

>doesnt like democracy
>he obviously wants a dictator
?
wat

my dad lost all his mates there and the soviets backed away from it without gaining shit

Soviets had 15 thousand dead while killing over 1 million Afghans.
When they left, communist party was still in power.
Guess USSR won in Afghanistan.

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Although 'diet' is in the English dictionary, the majority of Americans do not understand what the word means.

South Vietnam fell to the PAVN, that's an actual army that the Soviet's dumped about $1 billion worth of armaments on for the Final Offensive.

ARVN had its previously contract arms shipments cutoff by faggot Democrats in Congress and ran out of fuel, ammunition, and supplies in general.

Gee, what a shocking outcome.

I dont think we did much with our allies

>But you still failed to stop communism spreading

But we did. So long as the US was involved in the war, the NVA were repeatedly pushed back. It was only once we decided it wasn't worth our trouble and left did the South get its ass whooped.

Saying North Vietnam beat the US is like saying you beat the schoolyard bully because he got tired of kicking the shit out of you and went home.

You guys are missing the obvious.
It started in Korean war.
You can't win a war when russia or china is backing your enemy. Because at some point you end up fighting them.
And that wasn't the idea. It's a no win situation.

that image is stupid because the french got defeated by the vietnamese too. That's the whole reason the US had to get involved, because French indo-china was going to shit

Countries that lost to Vietnam since 1945:
Japan
France
United States
South Korea
Australia
New Zealand
Thailand
Laos
Cambodia
China

We'll the Jews are fixing that mistake right now, aren't they?

Why did we fight in Nam anyway?

It was barely mentioned at any point in school

Hey, that my uncle.