Teacher Shortage

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I'm curious. What do you is the reason for this shortage and how would you go about solving an issue like this?

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Raise your hand if the majority of your teachers advised against becoming a teacher.

Mine did. Did you want to be a teacher?

Because you have to work with a bunch of feral niglets and retarded immigrants that can barely speak English

I don't know exactly how it is in California but in North Carolina the state treats its teachers like shit. Low school funding, low wages, NC had the lowest teacher wages in the entire country for years. I've known people that wanted to be teachers their whole lives, went to App state and got burned out after maybe two years if the first wasn't enough. It's the sole reason I haven't gone into that field myself, I'm scared I'd never want to do it again so I'm waiting for it to get better, which will take years if ever. The only way you can solve a problem like this is throw money at the public school system. I'd love to be a teacher, I've wanted to be one since highschool, and that was nearly a decade ago and the situation hasn't improved in all that time.

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A combination of shit kds, increased regulation and shit pay

Hell no! Just about every teacher I had advised against it regularly. desu they dind't need to tell me - I could see the depression in their eyes whenever the niggers would act up. Shame considering it's one of the most important professions.

This. A friend of mine from college taught in NC and left after a couple years. She actually makes more money in a call center job than as a teacher.

same here

essentially the story is

>they are overworked (here they have to work in multiple schools)
>they have no authority
>Being a public school teacher fucking sucks cause of niggers
>being a private school teacher fucking sucks cause every kid is a walking check so you can't punish them
>salary is shit
>Kids just don't give a fuck
>parents confront teachers instead of their kid if it fucks up
>if theres any sort of problem the whole responsibility falls upon the teacher
>if theres any sort of serious problem the one in charge the school will try to hide it cause then the ministry of education kicks his ass instead of doing something about the problem

And a demand of advanced credentials to teach what are basically automatons.

And shit pay.

And shit hours.

And shit administration.

Who in their right fucking mind would go out of their way to deal with the politics of pub-ed?

Minimum IQ of 105 to be allowed to go to school.
IQ of 90-105 gets diverted to manual labor programs, everyone else gets liquidated.

Teacher pay will work itself out in the free market (i.e. parents will send their kids to expensive schools if they think that having a good, highly paid teacher is important).

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Low wages is a big problem here. Funding, not so much thanks to Jerry Brown but its being misused. My old high school is building a new football stadium and a solar power grid, but according to my sister who's still going there, the teachers are discussing striking again because their pay still hasn't improved since I was going there.

Unions

They're protecting the old hags and nigresses that wouldn't be able to get a job anywhere else. On top of that they suck the taxpayer well dry and always ask for more funding.

>am teacher
>work in a behavior disorder school
>good money
>niggleteers tripping out all day every day
>one cuz he didn't get his toxic michelle obama breakfast because he was 3 hours late
>one because she needed to be on her phone, RIGHT NOW
>one because they we asked him to stop sleeping
>one because the lunch they are serving today idnt a good one
>one because the room "smells funny"
sigh, the list goes on and on.

What the fuck is the point of all these teachers unions if the public jobs are so fucking bad in every way? Where is all the money going ? We spend more money per kid than any other country, don't we? What the fuck

they bitch about how shit their job is but it requires very little knowledge its almost glorified baby sitting at the low grades.

Mayonnaise isn't a teacher

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>they are overworked (here they have to work in multiple schools)
>they have no authority
>Being a public school teacher fucking sucks cause of niggers
>being a private school teacher fucking sucks cause every kid is a walking check so you can't punish them
>salary is shit
>Kids just don't give a fuck
>parents confront teachers instead of their kid if it fucks up
>if theres any sort of problem the whole responsibility falls upon the teacher
>if theres any sort of serious problem the one in charge the school will try to hide it cause then the ministry of education kicks his ass instead of doing something about the problem

>doesn't understand that when cultures stop valuing education then it doesn't matter how much you spend on kids they don't care
can you guess which cultures don't value education and which cultures this is rubbing off onto?

Non meme answers, pls.
How would getting rid of unions help? Sure, you get rid of the shit teachers, which I'd be in favor of, but you'll also drive down wages which would further exacerbate the shortage.

>Often have to take education as a major alongside a secondary major/minor, meaning more college expenses.
>Kids are no longer taught to respect their elders.
>Minority students (except Asians) are terrible.
>Suicide is preferable to working in the city.
>Shit pay despite huge education spending because all the money goes to disciplining retarded minorities.
>If you say one thing out of line pre-tenure, you are fucked.
>You will always be laid off or have your pay cut before tenured teachers even if they are worse at their job.

Yeah, I don't see any reason to become a teacher today.

I volunteered as a skills tutor for a while (to boost my CV, I shouldn't have bothered the good it did). They tried to persuade me to do pursue a teaching career.

FUCK. THAT.

>dealing with snotty kids
>dealing with snotty parents
>going to school everyday. Again.
>shit pay
>if you're a man good luck with everyone assuming your a kiddie-diddler

I'd rather neet it up to be honest. I don't know why anyone would choose that career tbqh

Average repuiblican:

BUT THEY"RE GUBMINT SCHOOLS!
THEY DON"T TEACH CREATION!
DRAIN THE MONEY.. SHUT THEM DOWN
UNTIL THEY TEACH ABOUT GOD..
PRAAAIIISEEE!

education is the gov tit that attracted the pedocunt left

there is a direct correlation between more gov welfare and fewer people willing to work even as a fucking teacher

teacher unions = kill them all

teachers = all* shit (99%+)

fucking lazy lefty cunts

solution: more socialism

socialism all the way day

Trump will ass-fuck every shit head teacher into the grave

>What the fuck is the point of all these teachers unions if the public jobs are so fucking bad in every way?
To improve their situation.
Where is all the money going ? We spend more money per kid than any other country, don't we? What the fuck
Retarded shit like subsidized lunches, sports facilities and bureaucracy. Also keep in mind that education funding is distributed very unequally because it is paid for by property taxes.

buying better booze to end it all quicker

Males are not wanting to become teachers because they're automatically judged as a pedophile.

Trump won't do shit.. he will not even make it through the first year.

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>math adjunct here
>work more than faculty
>classify me as part time so they don't have to give me health insurance
>60 hour weeks
>get reviewed all the time
>afraid to express non-PC opinions
>proprietary books and software to squeeze money out of students
>large amounts of immigrants on the dole, go to school just because
>underpaid for qualifications
>I should have done more applied math and programming and gone to industry
>I'm starting to hate my life

Being a professor at a community college seems kinda comfy. But elementary/high school seems like hell.

This is actually relevant to my state as well.
>that feel when commies are so bad at education that they fuck it up in all of the Americas
Softening up on communism was a mistake.

Bring back corporal punishment, everyone remembers treating their teachers like shit so no one wants to be one

kids are jerks, parents are faggets, principals are neutered, and superintendents are fearful little bitches

Education should go private.

Only people that can't find a decent paying job elsewhere become teachers.

Unions are part of the reason so much of the burden falls onto the teachers. Unions are absolutely shitty at protecting the interest of a group, because they always favor their "members" at the cost of the non union members. They are also leeches in an already inefficient system.

>letting the government take care of you

You deserve this

It's because years ago you got a teaching degree and it was good to do K-8 or high school. Now they break it up to a ridiculous degree where you can only teach 3 grades and you have to specialize from the beginning.

>Low salary, have to either work extra in black or have another job
>Overfilled classes
>Students are from many different countries, many of them only speak their native language. Good luck speaking Chinese, Arabic, Romanian and Russian among many others.
>Have to be in control of a bunch of hooligans with their hormones out of control and actually teach them something
>They feel imprisoned with you while you're also imprisoned with them.
>You are actually just a voice. You can't touch anyone or you're fucked. The students know it.
>Parents. Some of them are ok, some of them are the worst.
>Not enough time to teach them something
>Flawed material that you are forced to use.
>Part-time and location changes every year unless you get lucky.

It's shit. I try hard to be a good teacher and make them be critical and all, but sometimes a single unmotivated students can send your whole class to hell.

What works though is going to some godforsaken place and live the meme life. Good salary, classes are not overcrowded and people actually respect you. That if you're not married. Then you're fucked.
Fuck off Bulbul. You have no idea.

see >The comfy positions are rare, and it involves alot more bureaucratic shit than you think. You'll most likely be adjunct faculty like me and hope you get enough classes at the same school so that you don't have to skip around the city.

Kids today are ugly, entitled little shit bags

CAN YOU IMAGINE TRYING TO EDUCATE THESE RIGHT WING RETARDS? IT'S A LOST CAUSE

>What do you is the reason for this shortage
NIGGERS

Mine did

The main problem are the 70s generation retarded parents. The kids are so self entitled that they carry the habit to college, every time they fail they quite literally blame the high school or they went to for being too shit or the college professor for being too demanding, never themselves

here in brazil men are almost banned from elementary and middle school teaching jobs, so no men really goes to education school

>giving private companies the power to instill any ideology they want into millions of children

How is that any better

Same.

I did become a teacher though, but yeah..

Yep. It's sad really, because it is not so much the kids fault as it is their parents. The schools are too much of a pussified institution to go after the parents, so they bitch at the teachers instead.

Why do you do it? What motivates you?
Someone has to.

>having to build new schools every day for immigrants
>wonder why there are no teachers left

"Shortage" is a code word meaning "I don't wanna pay muh workers".

I would totally teach if it paid better than engineering.

But it doesn't.

Fuck niglets.

I dunno, I'm becoming a teacher because of the benefits and easy job. I also genuinely enjoy talking about shit to a captive audience.

Moving up north to an all white town though, I'm not teaching shitskins.

Redpilling my students will just be a nice side bonus.

I'm related to two people who make well over six figures teaching 8 months a year.

Comfy profession.

I think everyone on Sup Forums who has at least a bachelor's degree should become a public school teacher and redpill the next generation.

Hey Ontario guys, if you want to get out this is your chance

Ontario teachers can almost CHOOSE where they want to work based on demand for them,

Except in Ontario you wont find work here

t. 28 year old teacher who's taught in Monaco, Spain and Portugal

This seems to happen every eight years. Happened about decade ago when STEM was getting pushed hard.

>went to inner public schools
>literally niggers keep ruining the day because they would get into fights or bring weapons to class

Answer is niggers.

Rural areas are dealing with a brain drain to urban cities. The biggest school districts in America in LA, Chicago and NYC don't have shortages especially as they move to eliminate the profession of "teacher" entirely through tutors (made possible due to the Common Core).

Yep. Real talk: the writing was on the wall once the NCLB was passed all the way back in 2002. All the teachers knew it back then, as the NCLB was a huge curb on their unions' power.

Because the teachers might actually be treated decently if they aren't a part of the emotionless, ineffective system. If the teachers start enjoying their job, they might actually teach better.

Also private schools can deny niggers. Who cares if the school believes in God and wants to teach you about it, alongside your required maths and stuffs. Who cares if they want to teach about a sky fairy, at least they teach.

Public schools are almost to the point where they don't actually teach anything, but pass the kids anyway. They are devolving into daycare centers for niggers.

>easy job
>captive audience
>redpilling

What does this have to do with teaching?

Everything.

Are you one of those retards who doesn't have their lesson plan for the year ready to go on day 1?

Even if you don't have to deal with nignogs, it's still an awful deal.

> Spend X years getting a degree in a relevant field for what you'd like to teach
> Realize working in that field would be less stressful and significantly better paid than being a teacher
> Result is nobody in their right mind wants to be a teacher. The best teachers I had did their jobs right because of a feeling of civic duty or something like that, the rest look like they were close to losing it or already had.

>Are you one of those retards who doesn't have their lesson plan for the year ready to go on day 1?

Protip: NO teacher has their lesson plan for the year ready to go on day 1

So many misconceptions here it hurts.

Holy shit God forbid. Giving the government these sweeping responsibilities has gotten everyone into this mess, and is in itself ideological
>kids aren't already being indoctrinated
But we just CAN'T let them read some scripture!!

Think back to when you were in school
>be in class
>teacher starts bitching they don't get paid enough for the work
>they make like $40k a year
>some have to have part time side work

The pay is shit, and therefore the only people who sign up for it are garbage that teaches bad

Because teaching sex to 8 year olds is so great.

No, I just wonder what's easy about filling out 50 forms a week.

Or how you're suposed to "redpill" anyone without getting fired.

Jesus no wonder you have such a hard time. You should have a rough outline of what you're going to do for the year well before class starts.

I worked as a TA a lot, and the least stress and best teachers were always the ones who planned well in advance what they were going to do in class.

The stressed out frantic ones tended to only have a week or so in advance planned out.

He's going to teach in Detroit.
>It's easy because he doesn't actually have to do anything
>The audience is being held captive by the white system
>Sells students mysterious red pills for some money on the side

You can't be this stupid.
>what is a syllabus
Inb4 syllabus isn't a lesson plan
Yes it is you deciduous faggot.

Mines did. I wanted to study music but wanted to have a good job to back my shit up.

I fucking love teaching, especially history or science. And when the class gets going it feels damn good because they learn. But the conditions are pretty shit.

I'd earn more working from home to home and teaching 1-5 students than with a shitty part-time contract as a school teacher. The class is normally too big, with too many different languages and a different level. The brighter students get lazy because we go too slowly and the students who lag behind completely disconnect eventually. Many times it isn't even my fault since the previous year they did fuckall with the previous teacher.
This really bothers me because I know if I don't help them now they're fucked for the rest of their school years.

i disagree thats a shit mentality, they are both equally at fault without either you dont have the problem

>Education should go private

>No, I just wonder what's easy about filling out 50 forms a week.
Denmark must be awful if you have to do that.
>Or how you're suposed to "redpill" anyone without getting fired.
Easily? Teaching kids to think for themselves is the job of REAL teacher.

A rough outline is not the same as having your lesson plan ready.

You won't be able to predict their progress like that.

>government pass stupid curriculum and regulation
>governers approve shit salary compared to hours worked
>kids don't give respect because they're dumb/niggers
>parents blame the teacher if the kid is dumb
Why would I want to have a career where everyone is going to shit on me constantly?

I think it would be good to follow what Finland does. Put teachers on the same levels as lawyers, doctors, etc, and pay them well. I'm in college currently getting a degree in secondary education, and although it's my passion, the pay is so low that it almost makes me not want to teach.

>The class is normally too big, with too many different languages
In Spain? What the fug

Stop the brainwashing maybe? Or perhaps stop the meme of "well you can't do anything right maybe you should become a teacher, you don't need any skills for that"

Also raise their salary.

yup

carreer is shit, only idealists and retards do it.

more retards than idealists.

>In Spain?
23-30 students in a single class.

Coming from a top university, I can effectively say that the education system is fucking useless.

Pay thousands upon thousands to learn some stupid shit like indonesian underwater basket weaving because it is required to learn some stupid ass art to get a science degree.

Just home school your kids or hire private tutors to fill the gap. It's a shame that society have fucked up family structure to the point that parents have less time teaching their children important life skills.

Unions are fucking worthless.

The school my mom worked for was shut down by the school board after 20 years, about 7 years after they opened another elementary school walking distance away. They claimed closing the school would save $600K+ from staff and operating costs. Then they turn around and open it again for a fraction of students. So it's all the same resources being used with no cuts.

The union was against the closure. Then when elections come around, they backed one or two of the five people who voted to close the school.

How are you unable to roughly predict how quickly your classes will move through material? Unless you get a class full of retards, after you've been doing it for a while you get a fairly good grasp of how quickly a given age group can move through your lessons.

I think you're just spamming platitudes.

Add to this the self-selection bias that makes teachers overwhelmingly liberal, which creates an echo chamber that drives school policies in one direction and alienates any conservative teachers or potential teachers. Also the government attempting to force good schools to take on bad students, a race to the bottom in terms of standardized testing and coursework so that even literal retards can pass, teachers being forced to hand out good grades by their superiors, administrative bloat (just like universities, but not quite as bad, yet), and the fact that almost no other job requires you to interact with kids, at least this frequently. And the ease with which you can be prosecuted for the slightest implication that you might have touched a kid, which means you always, always need to make sure you are not alone with any student, which makes it impossible to try to help them one on one.

It's like that in a few places here, too. I meant the languages. Here it's english or fuck off to a retard school to learn english.

Only 23-30? Wew lad. Teaches over here would stab someone for a class that size.

>>being a private school teacher fucking sucks cause every kid is a walking check so you can't punish them

What kind of shit private school can't expel shit heels? What kind of shit private school doesn't have a waiting list of hundreds? Been a while since I was in school though. If you did weed and got caught or got in lots of fights, off to public school you would go.

There's no shortage of teachers

The only figure you need to look at to determine if there's a shortage is their wages. Have their wages increased? Then there's a shortage. Have they not? There's no shortage

Teachers unions are lying

Simply responding to your claim that you have the "lesson plan" ready by day one.

'teachers' are born, not made. there's only so many to go around.

not everyone needs education. 'educating' everyone is impossible.