My friend, communism doesn't work

>My friend, communism doesn't work.
>YEAH BUT LOOK AT ALL THE BAD THINGS CAPITALISM DOES THAT'S WHY WE NEED COMMUNISM

Why do lefties do this?

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Name 1 problem with communism that capitalism doesn't also cause

Protip: you can't

Because communism does work.

Starvation

Food shortages.

Because the horrors and the shortcomings of Communism are absolutely indefensible, so they have to resort to deflection instead to avoid addressing them.

And this is the kind of system they believe works, somehow.

>implying it doesn't just export starvation to the third world countries it exploits

Name one time a socialist country succeeded in feeding its people.

>It's because they tried to stop us!

Yeah, might have had something to do with the systematic murder of tens of millions, but who knows?

Excessive food and too much efficiency

Communism:
>has never existed, despite multiple attempts
>every attempt leads to mass starvation of their own people
>is easily subverted through other ideologies
>solves no problems that other ideologies don't already solve better
>no clear solution to fix constant failures
>claims human nature either doesn't exist, or is easy to change
>fixes none of the cultural issues that would derive from total automation of industry

Fascism:
>no two fascist nations have ever gone to war with each other
>fascism has never had a mass starvation problem
>fascism has actually existed, and it fixes all the problems communism seeks to solve
>early fascist failures are easily solved by reducing aggression and warmongering, as shown by other successful fascist nations
>utilizes human nature by designing a system meant to take advantage of it
>fixes all of the cultural issues that would derive from total automation of industry


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Famine.

Vietnam.

But all attempts at fascism were just national socialism.

How does communism cause bad weather again?

gulags

Pilpul. It is a jewish argumentation tactic.

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Yugoslavia

Strasser said that not Hitler.

Because god hates communists almost as much as he hates fags. Kill yourself.

good analysis from this burger burglar

>HURRDURR IS CAPITLIST FULT

This, too, OP. Take a good look. It only reinforces - they are people who have zero personal accountability, yet they would like you to let them run your country. They really think Communism has no flaws of its own doing, even when they have to hold citizens at gunpoint just to make parts of it work.

Doesn't matter, they're literally all socialists. It's right in the name.

Or did you think all that government spending and those government work orders were capitalism?

Hitler later purged all of the socialists in the party. Including strasser. He then killed actually socialists and banned socialist party. Nazi's were corporatist.

Louise would be so much fun to ____

Socialism isn't communism.

Socialism worked quite well...

Consider, that your SJW LGBT feminism bullshit was not present in east-europe socialism, neither in National Socialism of germany, it even isn't leftist actually, it's just liberal. Something completelly different.
(In a socialist high-school I've attended, one single boy had an ear-ring and probably little colored hair. He had severe problems due to it. There was nothing like "identity politics".)


Food shortage?

Once I told, that main disadvantage of real socialism was, that BANANA were in severe shortage and there were long lines to buy them. Now people can buy as much bananas, as they like, since the bussiness blocade has ended...

But if you value your HUMANITY by amount of BANANAs you can afford, you are an APE instead...

wtf I love socialism now, take my properties and eradicate my race already

Communism is a stateless society. All "communist" society's are socialist.

Nice to see someone else here took the pilpul pill. Pilpul and tikkun olam are the ultimate red pills

I don't want your property. Unless you own a means of production. And your race is fine.

>Socialism isn't communism.

>What is usually called socialism was termed by Marx the 'first', or lower, phase of communist society.
t. Lenin

>National Socialist German Workers' Party
>Purged all the socialists

Top kek

Socialism is just fine as long as the welfare only goes to other members of the same race. Capitalism is much better when you're forced to add niggers and taco fillers to the equation.

Actually capitalism is exporting large amounts of food to the nations too backwards to feed themselves.

You're a fucking idiot.
You live in the United States. You've been an American in a capitalist society your whole life. You buy your communism from Hot Topic and record stores. You have no idea what it means to go hungry. This is the only reason you believe this stupid shit will work: Ignorance. Blissful, well-fed, first-world ignorance. If you're over 21 years old and still falling for this communism meme, you should consider euthanizing yourself as a favor to society as a whole.

But the means of production are my property, arent they?

What if I invested in them? All my money and fortune, why should this be taken from me?

>Communism:
>has never existed, despite multiple attempts
>every attempt leads to mass starvation of their own people

Communism is not Socialism.

You are kidding. There was no starvation in central-Europe socialism of 1980's.

Ukraine holodomor was caused partly by jewish commisars (burreaucrats), partly by peasants, who sabotaged collectivisation and killed all cattle - in a country, where cattle was used to till the fields, there was no machinery. Due to this, crops failed next year and mass starvation resulted... In Ukraine, land of Magog, in 1930's...

Consider, that Venezuela problems are caused by similar sabotage by peasants, and by economic war from foreign nations. Their "socialism" is not in control too much yet, that is what is their main problem...

rense.com/general32/americ.htm
> The Communist Takeover Of
America - 45 Declared Goals
Please read this. This is, what you feared of, named "Communists".
The label was FAKE.
It was all successfully perpetrated since then by american JEWS instead, and almost no such thing happened in east-Europe socialism...
The label was fake.

because its easier than working and studying

>Communism is not Socialism.

> Communism is a stateless society. All "communist" society's are socialist.

Communism is stateless society.

Socialism is not stateless. It is on contrary a state-controlled and planned economy, for the good of all, not just for profit of few kike families like in capitalism...

Communism was already tried in ancient slavic societies and tribes, possibly also with amerindians. It worked well and people were quite happy with it, but it never produced culture and alphabet and writing, because to support an university and all those boondoggles, who waste time with reading and writing, a larger state and taxes are needed. Ancient communist societies did not evolve writing and book copying, and were destroyed by surrounding UNITED monarchy states...

would you rather have a gun that works but misfires and kills your wife or a broken gun that doesn't shoot

This.

Except for the fact that we practically live in a trotstkyist system at this point. The means of production are owned by a tiny moneyed elite who also control the government, and trying to start a new business from scratch is practically impossible because regulations all but squeeze you out. Even buisness owners often pay much of their actual earnings to the tax man and the moneylender.

Actually, Trump program (and promises) is pure National Socialism: give people work, rebuild highways and factories, state PLANing and force industry to return home, protective tariffs are far from globalist free-trade capitalism...

This is a pure conservative socialism plan.

Never mind, that he first hijacked GOP voters, he then hijacked rust-belt workers and central farmers too.

A pure National Socialism, even with a Stalin-type CULT of PERSONALITY...
(unlike white your kike media and schools tought you, Stalin was a fair guy, who purged the initial jewish revolution kikes mostly away... Which is, why all kike media and schools hate him so much...)

Hahahah! Even the proles don't want it, top fucking kek.

I know communism is not socialism, that's my point. Every single attempt at communism has failed, as you can't even get to communism in the first place. You just get stuck in a permanent socialist "transition" state.

> But the means of production are my property, arent they?
> What if I invested in them? All my money and fortune ...

In socialism, you don't have much more money that is needed to survive, study and amuse and have a good and fair live and raise good and fair children for the good of socialist society...

Surplus money usualy have only tricksters and frauds and thiefs.

As a fair worker in socialism, you never earn enough money to buy a factory...
A "Cooperative" possibly can. These were used in socialism often...


Anyhow, in Yugoslavia, there was a socialism mixed with small market private firms and it was good and worked well... (this was economically probably the best model so far...)
This is, why they crushed on it so hard in 1990's, to destroy all traces of it...

> permanent socialist "transition" state

The error and kike lie was to pretend, that Communism is any better, that Socialism is just some "transition"...

Actually, National Socialism is by far the best way. (Why "National"? Because "Nation" is an alive being like a bee-hive, while "State" is just a mechanism. There has to be some glue between people with which they all can identify, and it is a Nation, and it is not a mere State...)

Just it must not be atheistic, because all anti-christian efforts will fail, sooner or later.

What will succeed one day, will be christian socialism, the ultimate charity, non-selfish society of brotherhood of men.
(Once we tried "Socialism with human face" and it was half on the good way, but was crushed hard by soviets, by an ukrainian jew Brezhnev... But still it was just a half-way... Later we will succeed with "Socialism with Christ in Hearts"... Nothing else will ever ultimatelly succeed and all else are just "transition" states...)

the red pill is that society doesn't work.
that's why we all need to become neets.

Truth be told fascism basically solves every problem socialism seeks to solve with largely the same goals, but the methods by which it does so are far superior.

>find a Newsweek dated December 1991 in my attic
>read it
>With the dissolution of the Soviet Union last week, we have had a look inside the country never possible before and have found that peacetime conditions under communism aren't too different from conditions in a country in the immediate aftermath of a destructive war.
kek

>mfw libs are so obsessed with thinking they're smart that one number is bigger than another when they can't wrap their fucking heads around what the number means

Every time I try to argue that there's more black people on welfare then white people some fuckface cunt has to stand up and be like UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ACKSHULLY THERE'S 47% OF WHITE PEOPLE ON WELFARE

If black people only make up 17% of the population and yet 80% of that 17% is on welfare that's a bigger fucking deal.

topkek

The red pill is that technology can and will replace politics. Political ideology is obsolete in the coming super-modern age. Ideology is a means of tribalism and technology and hyper-connectivity makes tribalism obsolete, both left and right.

the abandonment of the market and price system means that producers have no data as to what is actually being consumed and at what investment those goods are valued. this causes is chronic over investment in some industries and massive under-investment in others.
The ultimate outcome is food shortages while grain rots in warehouses and machinery surpluses that end up rusting in fields.

>mfw they point out things caused by government intervention as reasons why we need more government

Same reason politicians on the path to office engage in shitflinging.

>own faults are many
>distract goyim by pointing out the others' failings

No other ideology, not even full fledged MUH JEWS rock-hard-dick-in-the-face-of-lügenpresse Göbbels Naziism stamps around in the dungheap as much as marxists, """"centrists,"""" and the bleeding hearts.

Their system blows and goes well beyond the borders of insanity, so the only defense they have is an offense against solution, logic and reform. Usually through torture and killings.

> (((Newsweek)))
kike, not kek.
Fake news propaganda, exaggerating what suits their narrative.

But yes, we were living much better in eastern Europe than in USSR, which was led by ukrainian jews (Chruschev,Brezhnev, possibly others) for a long time...

Did it look similar to capitalist Detroit? Mostly probably better...

how much do you think a factory costs?? your house (wich you'd have under socialism...right?), old milling machine, lathe, home made bandsaw and welder is a machining shop. that's a small factory and within people's reach, find a fwe old machines that are getting replaced and they're yours for a case of beer.

the means of production aren't nearly as expensive as you think.

sure, tesla's gigafactory isn't in the reach of the home gamer, but no entity ever started at that level, they all worked up to that.

We ought to make one of those infographs for fascism
>Under fascism, the means of production are controlled by the nation
>Under fascism, technology is used to empower the people and nation. Citizens still go to work, but the amount of work they are capable of getting done is vastly improved with new technology.
>Under fascism, the working day is optimized to be as natural to the human psyche as possible. Laziness is avoided through a fair amount of work, but excessive amounts of work is done away with, allowing time for other activities exercising, child-raising, religious activities, and becoming mentally and culturally enriched.
>Under fascism workers are paid according to what is most beneficial to the nation as a whole. Since increased wages stop increasing happiness past a certain point, that money can instead be spent improving the nation for the benefit of the people.
>Under fascism, the government has the role of improving the nation according to the needs of the nation. No two governments will look the same, because no two cultures and nations are the same.
>Fascism- Economic system in which the means of production is owned privately by individuals, but subject to the needs of the state through regulation and oversight.

This actually seldom happens with good state planning and enough force to enforce the plans fulfilled (which is not a case of Venezuela, which lacks enough force onto farmers to fulfill state plans)

Actually, in state-planned economy, it is controlled by skilled people for the good of all.

In capitalist economy, the profits are privatized but the costs are socialised to whole society. The investor pours his money, makes profit, then pours his money elsewhere and leaves an empty eggshell of failed bankrupted wreck, and society bears the burden of brown-field recultivation.
Society also bears the burden of worker education, healthcare and retirement...
And the capitalist optimizes his decisions to maximize his own profit, not society or even not health of people.
Socialist planners try to optimize their decisions to maximize all society wellness...

USSR was still fascistic by the way

>This actually seldom happens with good state planning
Communism is a stateless system

Its a natural defensive move to "communism killed 6 000 000 trillion people".

>jpegd to hell
>watermark
go back to facebook nigger

>food shortages while grain rots in warehouses

Why don't they just eat the grain?

Lack of toilette paper. I mean, my parents lived in the soviet union and they used to wipe their ass with the pravda. Fuck your fucking goymmunist ideology. You violate the NAP.

Losers complain the loudest.

Economical and technological stagnation

ussr would have been fine Gorbachev literally just pulled the plug bc he wanted to be a western toady. communism works it just needs to be big and not have a giant capitalist empire fighting it every step of the way.

>USSR would have been fine if not for Gorbachev
Wew lad.

>In socialism, you don't have much more money that is needed to survive, study and amuse and have a good and fair live and raise good and fair children for the good of socialist society...

This is under the absolute best conditions, and only if socialism ends up working. If it fails, you will have much, much less than this, and there's nothing you can do to change that.

With capitalism, your income isn't guaranteed (not that socialism can "guarantee" it either), but it CAN be increased through your own effort. If you want a lot, and work hard, you can get a lot. With socialism, you're LUCKY if you're stuck with a little garden plot forever.

> jpegd to hell
>watermark

That way recently downloaded from Sup Forums...I somewhere had better one but did not name it "Detroit" and it's hard to find now...

Choose better one if you like, it is a common meme:
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And yes, ultimatelly Detroit looks worse than most of east-Europe socialist countries of 1980's ...

Yeah, right, because it was totally disrupted by some external factor all those times and didn't simply collapse in on itself.

If an economic system fails or is corrupted this many fucking times in a row, it's time to stop blaming everyone else, and start blaming the economic system.

Every action you take, when you get up, when you poop, when you go to work, what route you take and thousands of others, dictate the ebbs and flows of a free market. No matter how smart your group pf planners, you will always have to restrain the choices of your people. Then, when they see the fruits of a capitalist system, even a gummed up and adulterated one like the United States, you will have problems with political dissidents.
at this point you have 3 options:
1: collapse
2: kill; political dissidents or scapegoats
3: begin to capitalise, like China

No intelligence or planning agency can manage an economy, either because they cant gather and process the gargantuan amount of data necessary, or they cant keep up with the thousands of goods and services they have to manage.
This is why the soviet union fell, not because they weren't communistsing properly but because the task is far more herculean than they realised and simply could not handle it.

>leaf

> Capitalism
> If you want a lot, and work hard, you can get a lot.

That's just a fairy tale.
Actually, most people work a lot and have got almost nothing...

Only speculants and (((merchants))) and those who inherit riches are successful, and few of those whom someone helped, possibly those who (((earned))) their wealth in triangle-trading slaves in 1700's ...

Or you need to be a good trickster (like Trump? - few bankruptcies to avoid paying debts and some tax optimization, not paying employees well, and look, billionaire) to earn a lot...

>few bankruptcies
>using the system AS IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE USED
Leftist, everybody. Doesn't matter what you do, they simply hate you because you exist!

Shitty construction on mass.

me

>multiculturalism doesn't work, its failed in every single instance of history since the northern and southern kingdoms of egypt in bible times.

friend
>thats just your opinion, anyway I want to be the best video game player in the world.

fuck you stupid nigger. fuck you.

Eastern socialism collapsed not because of bad planning, but because people were fed up with:
- enormous lying propaganda
- widespread corruption
- envy of material goods in foreign countries
- perceived freedom of speech in "Democracies"
- lacking of spiritual dimension

Consider, what is nowadays in USA:
- enormously lying propaganda
- widespread corruption
- envy of material success of China
- freedom of speech is now being attacked by fake-news anti-fake-news crussade, fascistbook censorship etc...
- complete abandonement of spiritual dimension

add to this:
- complete collapse of all morals
- white genocide attempt by (((elites)))
- dollar bubble is soon to collapse. the fiat money value is only maintained by fear and warmongering. It is not even a petro-dollar any more, it is just a fear-dollar...


The wrong system's collapse seems not far from now...

your view of capitalism is flawed, you're describing a state like the US where Progressives are trying to install socialism under the table and it is resulting in:
Socialized losses in the form of bailouts, this is not Capitalist
Socialized healthcare, education and retirement, this is not Capitalist

you misunderstand profit in a capitalist system; in the absence of government benefits and schemes while in the presence of a robust legal system that punishes things like fraud, the only real way for a capitalist to make profit is to serve the needs of hos costomes and do it better than his competitors.

in a socialist system the 'capitalist' (factory manager or whatever) only needs please the state planner, who is only really looking out for his job and promotion higher in the government. What the customer wants never comes into it. The planner wants to say he made more tractors over last year, and get that promotion. or suppose there is a serious problem, the planner will never tell for fear of loosing his job (and getting shot for sabotaging the socialist dream), so the 'capitalist' will never know to change what he's doing.

>- enormous lying propaganda
>- widespread corruption
>- envy of material goods in foreign countries
>- perceived freedom of speech in "Democracies"
>- lacking of spiritual dimension

This is all the result of bad planning,
envy of material goods is DIRECTLY bad economic planning.

>Consider, what is nowadays in USA:
>- enormously lying propaganda
>- widespread corruption
>- envy of material success of China
>- freedom of speech is now being attacked by fake-news anti-fake-news crussade, fascistbook censorship etc...
>- complete abandonement of spiritual dimension

this is also the result of bad planning of the same kind but instead of the whole government instituting it, it was part of the progressive bid to institute socialism.

IT IS THE SAME FAILED IDEAS, INSTITUTED IN A DIFFERENT SYSTEM, WITH THE SAME CATASTROPHIC EFFECT

> multiculturalism doesn't work
Agree. It doesn't work. It is a destruction of what was "built" during myriads of years...
Socialism and left (compassion, societal) politics do not need multiculturalism and all other liberalism degeneracy...
(Consider, that (((multiculturalism))) has evolved in capitalist countries only...)

> > trickster
> few bankruptcies
Need being illegal does not mean being moral and straight...
The capitalist system is designed for tricksters.
As a law of jungle, the stronger wins and beats the weaker...

> collapse seems not far from now...
We even know, when it is scheduled...
"Not far" depends, by how long perspective you measure the History... Not much more than a decade is "not far"...
(And "scheduled" does not mean, that it cannot collapse for some weird reason any sooner...)

>That way recently downloaded from Sup Forums
By another facebook nigger
>it's hard to find now
>being this retarded

> Not being illegal ...

Because the planners won't release the grain or haven't gotten around to releasing the grain.

To break in and eat the grain would result in you and your family being charged with sabotaging the revolution and everyone would get executed.

They had a people shortage, so yes that did solve the food problem.

The message that image conveys is fucking terrible. I love how it twists technological advances as being unfavorable for people in Capitalist societies but favorable in Socialist/Communist societies. Nevermind the whole "Why should I work as hard when I can mooch off of everyone else?" argument that promotes laziness and welfare leeches.

> sabotaging the revolution and everyone would get executed.
This was hundred years ago, not recently.
In my country, when it was (((liberated))) in 1968 (read: "invaded") by soviets, there was 170 victims. When Panama was (((liberated))) by USA in 1990, there were 3000 victims, and San Salvador had 80,000 victims...
But everyday life, all people were stealing, there even was a saying, that "he who does not rob (factory), robs his own family" ... Or craftmen working for profit beside their employment service. Most people knew it but seldom made something against it...
Ultimatelly I haven't heard of anyone executed for stealing food due to hunger. There were not many hungry people in my country, and there were almost no homeless or unemployed people. All including gypsies were obliged to work... Luxury food and goods were in shortage, but there was no actual hunger...
Rather now in capitalism, there are many people homeless, many are unemployed and actually hungry...

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> >it's hard to find now
>being this retarded
Sorry, among 5 million images on my computer, "saved from Sup Forums or other politics-oriented sites" reduces this to mere 30,000 images during last half year.
Not "retarded", but have been probably too lazy to give the image such a name so that I will find it less than in tens of minutes by serial search... It takes not only skills, but also considerable effort to index all images so that I can find them easily when needed...
It's sometimes frustrating to remember, that preciselly this one I have got somewhere but the effort needed to find it is not worth it...

> your view of capitalism is flawed
Does it sound like:
"But this isn't the real capitalism." (both USA and EU)
> ""The REAL capitalism has never been tried or it always failed because of Unions and other People revolts?""
(Weren't the people willing to toil in slavery conditions of "Real" capitalism?)

Is there a "Real" capitalism only in South Korea, Japan (heavily indebted) and your Australia ?


Also to mention:
During socialism, our budget was balanced and state debt was almost none. And there was a lot of construction works, including infrastructure that is not commercially viable but comforts citizens a lot until today...

Then in capitalism, the state debt sky-rockets, but is still relativelly small compared to GDP compared to west-Europe countries or USA...

>internet meme images are an vital part to how I argue
go back to facebook nigger
Also, pic took me literally 1 minute to find. Since images are so important to you, you have my permission to save this objectively superior example

Of these only Tito's worked, and even then it only delayed the inevitable ethnic wars.

Yes, thank you, it's objectivelly better, although even this has got artifacts...

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And then it's necessary to mention, that during eastern-Europe Socialism:
- education was free from kindergarden to university - there would not happen to waste a talent because parents were poor, and man out of university did not have a life-long debt...
- just voluntary "pioneer" scout free-time activities, of which there were many, were symbolically paid (half dollar a month)
- all healthcare was free
(sometimes it needed to bring a doctor a bottle of wine or something similar to get over-standard treatment or ill-mark as excusion from work though...)
- public transport was cheap
- state paid families for having children

- "commie-block" "panelack" houses made effective sub-urbs, where by 10-minute walk distance was a public underground station, few hypermarkets, cultural center, few schools, playgrounds and a nature park.
Instead in capitalist sub-urbs, where everyone has his own sleep-house, there is absolutelly no infrastructure and everyone needs his own car to drive to work or for shopping or culture "downtown", because it is not worth to build public transport station or any other infrastructure for few people in reasonable march distance...

- on village, people have been building in "Action Z" - state supplied material and people made a free work on weekends. This way, a small village has built playground, cultural house, pub and a small shopping house. They are not any rentable. Later during capitalism, man tried to make another pub, but it does not pay out and is expensive, he is still paying the debts...