Socialism: The state seizes all property and means of production through coercion and distributes it's resources to citizens as it sees fit.
Fascism: The state seizes most of the property and means of production through coercion and distributes it's resources to citizens as it sees fit, with a nationalist motivation.
Fascism = Socialism
Same shit, different toilet. Libertarianism is the true redpill.
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The faggots on the right are too fat
LUL
fascism =/= socialisme
in one you starve and in the other you have no identity
People forget about the social concepts over the economic concepts
Collectivism is the future famalam. Fascism and Nationalism provide the only means to maintain spiritual and cultural motivation among a homogeneous group of high-achieving and intelligent people in a society in which production is automated and make some level of collective and computer ownership and management of the economy necessary.
In a battle between two fascists I will side with the one that doesn't want to genocide me
Fuck socialism
why do people conflate communism, socialism, and fascism?
this is one of the easiest ways to tell if someone is a moron
We ought to make one of those infographs for fascism
>Under fascism, the means of production are controlled by the nation
>Under fascism, technology is used to empower the people and nation. Citizens still go to work, but the amount of work they are capable of getting done is vastly improved with new technology.
>Under fascism, the working day is optimized to be as natural to the human psyche as possible. Laziness and lack of purpose is avoided through a fair amount of work, but excessive amounts of work is done away with, allowing time for other activities exercising, child-raising, religious activities, and becoming mentally and culturally enriched.
>Under fascism workers are paid according to what is most beneficial to the nation as a whole. Since increased wages stop increasing happiness past a certain point, that money can instead be spent improving the nation for the benefit of the people.
>Under fascism, the government has the role of improving the nation, with different solutions appropriate to the unique situation of the nation. No two governments will look the same, because no two cultures and nations are the same.
>Fascism- Economic system in which the means of production is owned privately by individuals, but subject to the needs of the state through regulation and oversight.
>it's a brazilian ancap thread
Your posts are so tiring. Fuck off to /r/goldandblack or something you fucking mongoloid.
>brazil
same shit different toilet of south america
I wouldn't use Brazil as a toilet, something would jump out and bite my taint.
>"Computers will solve everything"
Who decides on the exact algorithm in your magical culturally and spiritually homogenous dreamland? How does it manage the economy without price signals? How does it know when people need more peaches, let alone what sort of medical devices need to be produced, or art needs to be made? Does it record information on every single transaction that occurs like a literal big brother? How do you stop hackers? Robot police? Are you retarded?
Just because computers are heavily involved in the management process doesn't mean you do away with markets entirely. However, you can define objective functions to solve problems in certain domains more efficiently than independent random actors could. You can still have prices and what not in much of the economy so long as a more efficient solution to some problem hasn't been discovered. Check out the IBM White Paper on the Internet of Things, it basically describes something similar in practice as to how information access and widely dispersed technological capital can solve a lot of these problems.
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>something would jump out and bite my taint.
Yeah, a Brazilian.
>Bite
You are remarkable optimistic user. I would expect one of those hue monkies would slither on up my colon because they are desperate to live in something that isn't a cardboard box
The paper describes the advantages for businesses in using a platform-of-platforms for data gathering and management, not government. What you're saying is yes, you want a surveillance state.
It doesn't matter how many dispersed accelerometers you're collecting data from, you still can't accurately model an economy, and I bet you can't name a single example of a "more efficient solution".
Nothing wrong with a little surveillance senpai
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You don't need one massive computer that manages everything, it's enough so chain smaller networks together.
Most of the things you mentioned are already part of today's algorithms, price signals and demand for example.
With enough data you predict almost everything.
Today's algorithms are made to make businesses competitive, not manage economies. If you centrally manage a market, you lose price signals. Do you understand that? The amount of data necessary to predict an entire economy is literally unfathomable.
Oh it's the Reich! As you were then.
Because they all rely on coercion.
>Libertarianism is the true redpill.
Wrong. Nationalistic capitalism is the true way.
>forms of socialism works great in all sorts of places for large amounts of people
>"hurdur its bad because uh m-muh free markets a-and uh non-aggression p-principle...m-muh labor is m-mine....u-uh....I'm p-poor because of the gubbment "
When did you grow out of ideological arguments based on flawed models of human behavior?
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When I realized the state must have a role in regulating culture, lest we allow degeneracy to run rampant.
>forms of socialism works great in all sorts of places
Name a single place.
when I bought bitcoin for a dollar and realized the ancaps were right about everything
im saving up for a helicopter
If it wasn't for the welfare state, western countries wouldn't be subject to so much immigration and dependancy and our culture wouldn't be under permanent threat of dilution and subversion.
That bitch wants Donald Trumps cock so fucking bad.
All she does is stalk Trump and respond to every tweet as fast as she can.
SENPAI NOTICE ME!
We could just close the borders too (although a reduction of the welfare state is by all means welcome).
well, if it was a brazilian wondering spider, you'd get to experience a 4 hour erection
The more technologie we integrate into our everyday life, the easier it is to get more data.
No one knows how good our management systems will be in 10-20 years, but i believe that somewhere down the line we will reach a point where companies are (almost) completely managed by computer systems.
And every company that reaches that point will make the market easier to understand and more managable for another machine.
>all fascism is communism
nice meme
Nothing more humiliating than being stepped on by a gay giant.
State control is state control.
Fascism is no better than Socialism in the regard that in the end, you're still the state's bitch.
We know. We just like the Aesthetic clothing
I don't know if you realise we can't even predict the weather accurately. That's a tame problem compared to human nature, and is just one of endless factors affecting the economy.
To reiterate more clearly, I don't mind companies being managed by computers, because they can still use price signals and do not affect the free-market. More competitive algorithms will win. This is different to using computers to manage an economy because any change you apply to the economy changes prices, and the price signals are no longer representative of the economy but of whatever change you applied. The two things are distinct and you don't seem to get it.
They're also different because most people are a bit iffy about surrendering potentially endless data to their government, cause you know, history.