It is irrelevant, either we stay and are fucked by EU and UK MPs, or we leave and give UK MPs full reign to fuck us over by themselves.
But yeah, we probably are.
Jaxson Nelson
Right, may as well get working on some go-to copypasta to shoo away Mayflies
"Prepare for surprises. If I were the EU leadership (and we must assume they are intelligent and cunning), I would begin with a ‘hard cop’ routine, of aloof resentment, with hints of menace. Then, when enough silly panic had been spread in Britain (this is what the Bad Losers’ Alliance – which has now replaced the Remain Campaign - are now working on, very hard) they can come up with a new offer, which at the very least keeps us in the single market and requires a large contribution from us, and at the very most requires either a new referendum or the endorsement of the public in a snap election."
The key part here is "I would begin with a ‘hard cop’ routine, of aloof resentment, with hints of menace. Then, when enough silly panic had been spread in Britain, they can come up with a new offer, which at the very least keeps us in the single market and requires a large contribution from us". Does all this "You WILL accept free movement or no single market for you! Absolute red line!" talk not resemble this?
I find it sort of telling that in both these articles; one where May says that there will be no Hard Brexit - telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/09/theresa-may-mental-health-nhs-live/ - and the one in the OP where she does, they've managed to trot out the old pro-EU pantomime villain Anna Soubry to give her comments on both. This woman isn't stupid, she's in deep with top Blairites who plan on leading negotiations with the EU and probably managed to get some insider info from the pro-EU traitor British Ambassador who quit the other week. Check this, as well;
>Her red lines will be an end to free movement from the EU and clearance to hold bilateral trade talks with other countries, which it is thought will not be achievable while still in the single market.
Matthew Scott
I'm about to nip out and get another bottle desu
Xavier Baker
She may well call their bluff, and she may well win. Best to wait until Tuesday because anyone who's been reading the headlines for the last few weeks knows she has a Corbyn-tier record on her stance towards the EU, but there's one thing people don't seem to be getting. You're actually celebrating staying in the EU as a victory. This is exactly what I warned against ages ago when the terms "Hard Brexit", "Soft Brexit" and "Grey Brexit" started being used. The middle ground fallacy is strong here - Why are you celebrating the fact that we MIGHT be allowed to still have to follow EU law and pay the EU? Don't you want to leave the EU? Doesn't it bother you that Theresa May is trying to use Hard Brexit as a nuclear option bargaining chip to get a Soft Brexit from the EU, rather than wanting to power through with it on her own?
>The PM’s willingness to give up membership of the single market will be made clear in a major speech
Willingness. Unless we get something better. Meaning she sees staying in the single market and still being wedded to the EU as a good thing. This is just like when she started to say "We will MAKE a success of Brexit". Surely it was one in the first place?
This is what you get when you have a Remainer as Prime Minister. Somebody that doesn't even see leaving the EU as something good, but would rather threaten it in order to get a good deal. I thought Britain voted to actually leave the EU, not to use leaving the EU as a bargainign chip to get some renegotiations?
You should be very careful what you're celebrating right now because it seems you think the fact that she's using a Hard Brexit as some sort of crazy nuclear option to make the EU give her a more favourable (but still wedded-to-the-EU deal) instead of pushing for one because it's what we voted for is a good thing
Xavier James
We're going for the simple reason that staying in will cause total chaos for the rest of the EU.
The UK could endlessly block or alter EU laws and encourage others to do so, they whole would cease to function and that would have a a fatal affect on the value of the Euro.
Isaac Wright
>The UK could endlessly block or alter EU laws and encourage others to do so Why would a 2/3 pro-EU government do that?
Nathan Reed
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Lincoln Edwards
fuck karen and fuck wanker chavs >inb4 shill
Cameron Cooper
It was pretty fucking obvious from the begining that we would have little control over the Brexit deal. What we have to do is simply to Brexit!
Theresa May is starting to look like the most incompetent PM ever.
Jason Nelson
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Kevin Hill
morning
Mason Wilson
I think May is trying to delay brexit as much as she can, the court appeals being the most overt example, and I believe she will resign when she runs out of cards to play.
2 prime minsiters resigning over brexit will cause alot of turbulence, less invested leave voters will (if not already) falter and remain voters will feel reinforced in their belief, all before we've even triggered the process of leaving.
Convincing a gambler with a good hand to fold before the flop.
But even if we do leave, UK MPs are hardly representative, and pandering for votes and aggressive factionalism will ensure that remains the case. Leavimg the EU makes UK Parliament the supreme law makers, which in my opinion is hardly an improvement.
Caleb Wood
God save the King lads
Adrian Richardson
>From Fashy to Fa-Bu-LOUS!
Grayson Campbell
Do you plan on leaving the UK at some point, given the whole Blackpill situation?
Noah Cox
THINGS will never get as demographically bad for me as it will for most people in England
Matthew Perry
I fucking hate potato wogs All they ever do is fucking whine and cause trouble
Day of the fryer when
Julian Peterson
Morning lads. What's for breakfast?
Christopher Miller
>when you only find Laurie Penny attractive because she looks like a young boy
Kevin Phillips
And one for yourself love
Eli Clark
So you're just going to get comfy in Wales and watch it all burn?
Cameron Moore
I wouldn't exactly call it comfy but outside of Cardiff Wales is an afterthought for immigrants who know they can fuck shit up with much less opposition in England
Noah Brown
You guys are like the tsundere of Europe. Just get out and be gone.
Evan Lee
We're all a bunch of whiners at heart in the UK It's literally either putting up with one another for so long or killing each other
Ryan Anderson
What happens when they bleed England dry though? I'm not sure they'll simply stay contained in the towns and cities.
Jonathan Davis
There's no blood in Wales to start with
William Rivera
well as far as Pakis and niggers go, but I live near Wrexham and the place is full of Poles and gypos
Brody Nguyen
Makes sense. I'm debating on staying in Cornwall or jumping ship when the time comes. We seem to be in a similar boat to you down here.
Julian Adams
The Westminster traitors will have to answer to their electorate at some point. They are trying to sleaze a deal to stay in the EU and keep their jobs as MPs - that is a recipe for chaos.
Cameron Brown
Anyone watching The Big Question on bbc one? Looks like they're taking about "fake news"
Jayden Howard
I wonder if England will be conquered and Wales and Scotland will be the holdouts? Again. Scotland sounds pretty cucked though.
John Cox
>The Westminster traitors will have to answer to their electorate No they won't.
>keep their jobs as MPs You seriously think some Blairite who's held his seat with a 30% majority since 1997 is going to be worried about the fact that his constituency voted 55% to Leave? Get a grip. You underestimate tribalism and the Shy Tory effect
Samuel Harris
Oh, and our MPs aren't traitors either. Their voting records and statements are public record, anyone with a brain can see what they are but they keep voting for them anyway, the electorate are just self-harmers
Logan Adams
Tory cuts so far: >20,000 Army >5,000 Navy >5,000 RAF >60,000 NHS >22,701 Police >1,000,000 Public Sector >10,000 Firemen >1 Banker
what went wrong?
Juan Wright
>No they won't
Explain
Chase Edwards
Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland, North/SouthWest England and *maaybe* Scotland.
Elijah Russell
They won't have to answer to their electorate because the electorate never asks anything OF them - They just vote based on what colour team they represent, Team Anti-Labour or Team Anti-Tory, the rest is gravy as far as the vast majority of voters are concerned
Ayden Johnson
Owen Jones is on BBC One.
Easton Hill
MP's currently "answer" to the electorate, hasn't changed a thing because nobody in great number gives a fuck.
Xavier Scott
>May's U-Turn Why are you calling it a u-turn?
She's never said we'll be staying in the single market. That's just been in YKTD's head and some of you believe everything he says.
Jason Brown
Most Military issues boil down to MoD mismanagement of funding, any further funding will evaporate with the rest of it.
I work on a dockyard and have seen 2 RFA ships being fully refubished last year at the cost of millions, that have sat in the dockyard since, one is due out to be scrapped in the next month or two, and the other is under debate if it will be scrapped, but it probably will.
If they have such severe funding issues, which I concede, they do, why waste so much refurbishing ships destined for a Turkish beach as a scrap heap.
This isn't defence of the Tories, just that the issue of the MoD is far deeper than just funding, but one of massive incompetence and corruption.
Brandon Sullivan
Why is Britain so pedo? Why are there so many child sex scandals?
May has shown repeatedly that she is delaying Brexit, the appeals to the High and Supreme Courts are clear indications of that.
Jayden Barnes
Big grown euro'men' will be crying in the streets come Tuesday Can't wait to manhandle these fuckers onto a plane home, they'll get my boot up there arse They fucking lost there own game Haahahahaa
>Theresa May has indicated that there will be no "hard Brexit" for Britain, promising to form a "new relationship" with the EU.
>The Prime Minister said she did "not accept having a hard or soft Brexit" and that she felt "ambitious" about the deal she would secure.
>Conservative MP Anna Soubry, a leading supporter of Open Britain, said: "It’s encouraging to see Theresa May reject the idea of a hard, destructive Brexit and say that she will aim for a new deal with the European Union that puts the economy at its heart. ---
>Theresa May is expected to announce the UK is prepared to leave the single market, the customs union and European Court of Justice.
>A Downing Street source told Sky News: "The issue of the single market and the customs union will be answered on Tuesday when the Prime Minister sets out her negotiations."
>Pro-EU campaigner MP Anna Soubry has described the anticipated move as "grossly irresponsible, if true. The Government has no mandate for this. To go into the negotiation conceding on the single market and the customs union is extremely serious and very bad news."
Angel Ramirez
No shit, she's a Jew. My point was more directed towards MW though.
Ian Sanchez
What is even the point of debating "hard or soft" Brexit in UK if Europe is not going to allow UK to participate in the negotiations?
Henry Wilson
Because for a brief moment party lines were blurred. The Leave and Remain campaigns quickly collapsed after the vote and things went back to normality in record time, so much so that we now have Remainers as our Prime Minister, Chancellor and Home Secretary, the latter of which supports open borders and was arguing in favour of them against Nigel Farage only weeks earlier
Jayden Russell
You realise there's 2 sets of negotiations? Ones between the EU countries and what they all want (which will show the EU up to be an absolute mess) and the ones between the EU and the UK.
Parker Sanchez
Answer my question. Do you believe that pro-EU politicians with double-digit majorities who've held their seats for decades are currently worrying about losing their seats in 2020 because a (slim, in many cases) majority of their constituency voted to leave the EU?
John Green
Even Cardiff is better than English cities in that regard.
Jonathan Allen
I don't hate the Tories any more than I hate any other mainstream party, seeing as they're all just a grey mass of sludge in political alignment terms.
At the end of the day, it is the precious electorate who created the conditions which allow these pandering parties to exist.
Hunter Reyes
Exactly. Largely still ghettoised
Brayden James
YKTD with all care in the world acknowledged, I don't trust May either, surely this is still a good statement for her to be making?
It's clear that she can't actually act right now, so surely this is better than the silence/erring towards a softer Brexit?
Carter Clark
Once we make our own laws and decisions again, I will be pushing to review the status of anyone who came to Britain in the last 50 years If ANYONE of the family members lied to get a Brit passport, they are out. Anyone committing ANY crime and has dual citizenship will lose the British one. Etc etc All the while healing my fellow countrymans ails. It is going to be glorious
Josiah Morris
>so surely this is better than the silence/erring towards a softer Brexit? Not if the whole intent is to call the EU's bluff and secure a Soft Brexit through a concession anyway, it'll be the court case all over again, see my two posts towards the top of the thread
And who the fuck are you, you fucking LARPing moron? Are you Amber Rudd in disguise? Oh, wow, YOU - YOU! - will be pushing to review the "status" of millions of people, nice one there pal, I bet ISIS are shaking in their fucking boots
Jaxson Howard
>I will be pushing to review the status of anyone who came to Britain in the last 50 years
I saw a bloke in the town center pushing to review the status of the Royal Family not being Lizards in human skin.
I am glad everyones personal fantasies will now become reality in a post brexit wonderland.
Jason Davis
>She rejects the terms hard and soft Brexit so she wants to keep freedom of movement and EU regulations
Don't be stupid, I don't like the terms hard and soft Brexit either. We're either leaving the EU or we're not. Keeping certain bits of EU membership like freedom of movement obviously isn't leaving the EU.
Again, Theresa May has never said we'll be staying in the single market.
You just want to hate the Tories so you see things that aren't real. I just hope you keep to your word and fuck off when Theresa delivers a genuine Brexit.
Hunter Morris
You don't get it. The sleazy Remain want deals with the EU but the EU knows where that will lead.
As I said it will be chaos for the EU if the UK stays in and gets special deals, others will try it too and then they are fucked as their Euro value crashes.
Mrs crypto jew is being told to fuck off by the EU, so her and her gang of traitor jews and cucks are spinning the story to make it look like they are deciding.
Blake Fisher
remember that one man who wanted to leave Europe?
End of march End of madness
Mason Foster
t. YK I'm a paki cuckold TD YK I'm a role playing principled cuckservative TD YK beautiful mixed babies TD YK Peter Hitchens is British TD YK I have no knowledge of abortion stats TD
William Nelson
How many tories are in marginal constituencies?
Enough to decide who wins the next election and put Labour in power if UKIP steps in and points out just what Lord and Lady fat arse have being doing re Brexit.
Leo Martinez
>Again, Theresa May has never said we'll be staying in the single market.
Something she did say was that she would carry out the will of the people while simultaneously delaying Brexit in the High and Supreme Courts.
Has it not occured to you that she is possible insincere in what she is saying to the leave camp, the camp she was not a part of, in order to maintain public cohesion, while subverting brexit in a covert manner?
It is like you faggots are the embodiment of that family guy sketch where she just repeats "9/11" over and over until everyone converts to support her.
Sebastian Robinson
>YKTD in immense damage control just a few posts in
Bentley Barnes
The school system mainly.
William Bailey
>damage control He's so fucking I'll-informed
Blake Myers
GOOD MORNING O O D
M O R N I N G
Dominic Cooper
Honest question here, why is this general more favorable to Karen? Wouldn't you prefer a pure breed like Alice, and not a mongrel like Karen?
Easton Sullivan
>You just want to hate the Tories Nobody needs to make things up to hate the Tories
>I just hope you keep to your word and fuck off when Theresa delivers a genuine Brexit If that happens then consider me gone, you know my terms; >If we leave the EU properly under the Conservative Party - no single market, no paying the EU, full immigration controls and no adherence to EU law - Then I certainly won't be on Brit/pol/ anymore because it would be literally impossible to ever recover from being BTFO on such a scale, it would be a "There are no tanks in Iraq" moment times a hundred But we both know that's not happening. Trusting completely unprepared (and they were) Remainers to do something that it would take a decade for principled, anti-EU politicians to do is ridiculous
This is speculation. This "The EU wants Britain to leave" meme is just plain stupid, nobody with any understanding of the octopus-like nature of the EU can seriously believe it. More than anything they want to reverse the decision as they have done with similar referenda in the past. Thinking they're a bunch of inept, angry kids who are throwing their toys out of the pram because Britain has BTFO them benefits them massively
Again you show your ignorance Any Tory in a marginal seat is ABSOLUTELY safe in 2020 because all those UKIP voters will back them up to stop crazy communist Corbyn from getting in, not to mention the general state of the Tories in the polls to begin with anyway
Kek, what else can you do when faced with something like this? It was a similar situation in the summer when people thought she was a closeted NatSoc and I ended up being proven right
Cameron Ward
You're just as in denial about Brexit happening as remainers are. Sad.
Eli Rodriguez
What's that got to do with anything?
Thomas Jones
Glorious Corbyn socialist revolution when comrades?
Jordan Wood
Haven't been keeping up lads, are we still arguing about the holocaust? I reckon aliens did it but don't dob me in
Landon Cruz
Get knocking down doors
Cooper Perez
I voted leave.
But the fact of the matter is that it is being activley subverted, but retards are ignoring that because the people subverting it are chanting "HARD BREXIT" and you're lapping it up like a good little member of the electorate.
Jason Hughes
Piers defending Trump well on Peston, despite Campbell being a twat chiming in.
Kevin Foster
Farage on sky news
Ian Sanders
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Jonathan Murphy
Yeah he's being fair to him
Landon Barnes
Where can a man get a jar of grape jam on this forsaken island?
I've tried all of my local supermarkets and none of them seem to carry it anymore, not even Sainsbury's.
Brody Taylor
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Liam Flores
Wait, you're still in the UK? Do you hate earning a good living or something?
Nathaniel Russell
>Any Tory in a marginal seat is ABSOLUTELY safe in 2020
And this isn't speculation?
>being this deluded
Gabriel Bailey
Make your own ffs it's not hard, you literally boil grapes and sugar for a bit
Blake Murphy
How about typing grape jam into google like I just did and order it online you giant poof
Ayden Ortiz
Almost everyone in a position of power went to a fancy school where they were buggered. The people buggering them went to a similar, if other the same fancy school where they too were buggered. The people buggering THEM also went to a similar fancy school and were buggered. Repeat for generations.
It's so common it was included as a subtle jibe in comedy shows like Blackadder an
