How could Germany of won WW2?

How could Germany of won WW2?

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If in 1917 revolution in Russia won't happend
But if you asked about military position so this is a very hard question. Need to imagine a lot of variants of mistakes.

after defeating France the panzers should have carried on to Gibraltar

it could be boiled down to a few things
>tell tojo to hold off on attacking the US until the time is right
>Keep diplomacy and spies working overtime in the USSR to be sure they wont pre-preemptively betray you, at least until Britain is finished off.
>once Britain is taken, immediately shit focus to the to eastern front
>dont throw away Rommel and waste resources on Africa until USSR is dealt with.

>of

It's "have," you imbecile.

>not send Lenin to make it Soviet
>actually use psyops before invading
>not letting an artist fuhrer design your coastal defenses personally
>not let your top commanders be on vacation during D-day
>not firing your top generals
>not having nonsense orders from the Fuhrer
>build a beefier supply line east
>capture and defend Moscow
>not lose several divisions in bullshit encirclement

>>tell tojo to hold off on attacking the US until the time is right
Good luck, considering the embargo cut 90% of Japan's oil supply.

Lock hitler up in some cellar in 1938. Continue rearming in peace for decades. Alterntively, let the best general staff of the world make military decisions, not hitler.

Or just not backstab your only superpower ally in 41 before the bongs are finished off.

They couldn't HAVE you fucking retard.

>eating up wartime propaganda this hard

develop the atomic bomb first

By not being forced to invade Russia for resources to sustain their failed economic ideas in socialism.

Doomed from the start.

They literally had access to the resources of entire europe in 41

Invade Middle East and not the USSR for oil and resources

Declare war on Japan instead of the USA after Pearl Harbor for being traitors to the master plan so that Germany gets America's sweet spot of being their "enemy of my enemy is my friend" friend before the USSR does.
Finish off Great Britain before shifting any focus on taking Moscow, the USA will allow this to happen and sit back and watch as two of their allies fight to the death because they don't want to pick sides. Germany will ultimately win this fight because Britain is nothing at this point without the backing support of the USA. America then helps Germany invade the USSR after Britain is off of the table because of previous alliances and a history at that point of working together. After Moscow is taken, the USA uses the atomic bomb to finish off Japan as Germany invades Manchuria to push them into surrender much earlier than in our timeline (Japanese surrender in this case occurs sometime in late 1943). Germany and USA form non aggression pact between each other and USA becomes fascist state because of the public growing a favorable view of German society because they've been allies for so long at this point. In short, USA becomes Third Reich Lite so that they're both buddies in the future. USA gives Germany nukes or Germany makes them herself to quell any future opposition. USA and Germany together effectively become a world police of a sort.
Good times.

LOLOLOLOLOL, you are implying that the real perpetrators behind ww2 lost, and you must think Hitler was the main player in the whole thing, wake up mr freeman

Also, after the war the USSR is seen today as the Third Reich is seen in our timeline what with all of the gulag shit going down and the communism stuff.
The Americans would support an invasion into the USSR anyway and send oil to the Germans to help them after the fighting in Japan so an invasion into the Middle East might not even be needed, though the possibility of one being needed isn't off the table

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buy HOI4 nigger

>Oh no, I have no oil
>Better open up another front with the most industrially powerful country on earth

Where is the logic in this? Was there literally nowhere else the Japs could've gotten oil from? Wasn't there a shit-ton of oil in the Dutch East Indies? Or deeper in China? Or the Russian Far East? Or in India? What's the sense in attacking the US if you don't have enough oil to deal with isolated pockets of British colonial troops and Commonwealth nations with barely any manpower?

capture or kill all the troops at Dunkirk,
not dedicate so many ships to the Norway invasion
not divert troops south to aid the Italians in greece
not declare war on america so that we would have fought japan only

Not trying to exterminate the millions of ruskies, poles, and baltics who surrendered originally because they don't want to fight for the commie governement.

Not waste resources on stupid ass super weapons.
Not design a tank that requires shitloads of fuel when you have zero production at home.
Build a damn navy

Pretty much this, Hitler was admittedly a pretty shitty strategist

Pursuit nationalist China to join the axis, so that Japan can focus all its power to conquer south east Asia, while China keeps Russians busy, allowing Germany to take steady grip of Europe, we would then Be able to fuck up Russia from Asia and Europe sides. The war should end up in Axis vs America by the end of it

Pretty much impossible. Germany never built a navy and banned paradrops for most of the war so invading the UK was merely a pipe dream.
The only way Germany could have won would have been to be politically aligned with the UK from the start so the UK wouldn't get the USA to stab Italy and then the Axis in the back while pretending to be at peace.

exaggerated but kind of true!

Allowing Italy into axis was a mistake itself ...

They had an actually pretty workable plan, crippling the US pacific navy in one go, intercept the atlantic navy as its getting transferred over and then force a quick peace. Their ships were certainly up for the task, they were technologically miles ahead in 41. Too bad their interservice rivalry and conquest-mined politicians forced them to conquer land in indonesia they couldnt hold for long. They also had a ridiculous string of bad luck, Pearl Harbor was a dud, they couldnt do enough damage and at Midway an entire american bomber squadron got lost in the fog and bumped into the undefended, unescorted japanese carriers and sunk them.

A navy would have been useless. Naval buildup takes shit tons of time, germany wouldnt have a workable blue water navy before 1950 no mater how hard they tried.


Also, fucking THIS. Communism was crumbling, stalinism was created a brutal hell of earth already, millions purged, millions, transported around, millions killed in forced labor and genocides, holodomor going on etc. At first the ukranians, belorussians etc. greeted the Wehrmacht with flower wreaths as liberators and they were ready to take up arms and topple stalin. But no, MUH MASTER RACE KILL ALL SLAVS fantasy jerking off came before realpolitik. Forcing an enemy into a corner fighting for his survival is the most basic mistake you can make.

HoI4 opening move: Annex Italy.

> Don't attack USSR
> Don't introduce Hitler to meth

Teaming up with Polen, letting us handle commies, duh.

THIS

The only feasible way would be if they didn't invade other countries because taking on almost the entire world was a dumb idea. Japan and Germany were colony-less nations taking on nations with colonies and resources.

The lulziest thing, that almost happened. Hitler was planning to ally Poland to secure his borders and deal with Frace, then Pilsudski died and the poles decided to accept a completely weightless guarantee from the bongs.

Actually doing the Holocaust.

>Don't ally with Italy, they're Italy
>Don't ally with Japan, they're in an unwinnable situation with the USA
>Try to get Poland to trade Danzig to you for some of your land, rather than just demanding Danzig
>If Poland still refuses, back off, and wait for Stalin to invade Finland
>Form an alliance with Poland/Finland to fight the Soviets, and defeat them BEFORE going after the west

Look at these odds? They couldn't of

Yup I know, he had a hard on for Pilsudski. Unfortunately he died too early and stupid retards took over. Just our luck.

I think it would have been an easy victory for Hitler at least In Europe if he hadn't taken on Russia so early. Assuming Italy stayed with him and The Japanese still bombed pearl Harbor at the same time, yet also did not turn on russia too early, things probably would have gone different. Fear of communism was still real at the time, so I'm assuming the communist disdain for the capitalist west was there also. After taking the rest of Europe, but not Russia, Germany And Japan could have focused on America, while Italy took the rest of Africa. Then when America is finished, Russia would be easy.

If this were done, I'm assuming the americans wouldnt have had time to build the nuke. If germany turned on russia before taking america, there would be time. If it were russia and the US against the Axis powers it would be a war on two fronts for all sides. Japan surrounded by russia and america, russia by japan and Germany and italy. Italy and germany by Russia and America, and America by The european axis and japan. This would be tough to call, but with the amount of time i think Russia might still take to conquer, sheerly because of its size and the scorched earth tactics stalin would use, and the Germans propensity to overestimate, still, and the americans may still have time to complete the manhattan project, although at that point it could have been 1946 or 7. Germany could just as easily have made a superweapon by then. Japan, since potentially fighting a weaker America, may not have lost so much to Suicide attacks and the people they have conquered may be used to further their advantage, so they may be fighting a terrifying war themselves.

Even at this point if america completed the Bomb, their delivery systems might not work. They needed to fly it in. Air superiority without British or French Help in Europe would be hard, and the state of the pacific could be anyone's guess. Their missile programs wasnt enough yet.

Build 4 engine strat bombers and bombed the Urals.

By stopping right before everyone declared war on them. They were justified in some of that conquest and then kept going until appeasement wasn't able to hold any longer. Also, Japan fucked it up by bringing in America.

First of all - they lost because Hitler was intersex. He had both male and female genitalia and this impacted his decision-making.

If Hitler had actually been a true alpha male and not some tryhard beta he might have won.

Female leaders generally lose their shit in combat and Hitler was no exception.

The Allies were planning to aid Finland against the Soviets, but changed their mind when Hitler invaded. Abandoned Finland to get help from the USSR against Germany.

If we stayed out of WW1. If we didn't participate in WW1, we wouldn't see Britain as much of an ally, and in general the world would have been very different.

If we had sided with Germany, it would have been obvious who would win. If we remained neutral, I don't know.

If Germany had not hesitated on killing everyone at Dunkirk, the war might have ended right then and there.

Don't invade Poland.

Continue participating in the international system as a sovereign state respecting the rights of other sovereign states.

Proceed into the 1950s and 1960s in a prosperous and happy Concert of Europe 2.0.

Don't commit genocide.

Be content with what you have instead of raping and murdering for clay.

Are you a pussy?

Pretty much this.Also, take a page out of Bismark's playbook and play the alliance game. Bismark's simple plan for a general European war was based on the premise of '5 great European powers' and being on the side of the '3' versus the '2'. Take a good look at your neighborhood and plan accordingly.

First, keep a close eye on the USSR. Communism is your enemy and they sure as hell know it so continue building your anti-Comintern alliance throughout Europe (Spain, Italy, Poland prior to the death of Pidulski) and your unification of Germanic peoples across central Europe.

Second, don't ally with the Japanese. You have no significant interests in Asia and they're more likely to drag you into something than have your back.

Third, pursue good relationships with Britain and the US. Those liberal powers may not be on the same page as you but there's no reason to view them with antagonism. What affects one of them will eventually affect the other so it wouldn't hurt to view them as collaborators.

France is the bastard child of European diplomacy. Whatever Britain does the French will surely follow. Generally do everything you can to make as many friends as you can in your neighborhood without committing yourself to anything. Attempt to lead Europe against the communists in the East. That struggle should color every diplomatic move you make. Wrap yourself in the ancient lore of old Europe. Position yourself as the savior of traditional Europe against the godless Asiatic hordes commanded by Stalin. You're a savior, not a conqueror.

Not declared war on America
Or Russia
Wither one and they would have won

The stupidest thing is, you actually learn to employ that kind of diplomacy in even grand strategy games, its so basic and obvious. You dont even have to be a political genius, just dont go out of your way to do stupid shit, declare you want to rule the world alone and genocide your popolous neighbor completely.

Doing retarded shit like this isnt a new thing for germs though. Willy let the German Empires alliance with Russia expire just because.

This move would have considerably weakened English's 8th army in Northern Africa, cutting its main supply road and probably leading to its surrendering. Meaning the Africa corps most likely would have conquered the middle East and for the allies opening a front line in Italy would have never been possible. U-boats would have likely suffered less loss as well. A game changer for sure.

Let Jewish scientists stay and help develop the atomic bomb before the US

The timing wasn't that bad. The big problem was, Germany did not plan/prepare for a long war. They didn't even bring winter clothing because they thought it would be over within 1 year. And despite that they still managed to push forward in 42, if they had proper equipment for winter their combat strength would have been even higher in 42 and they might have succeeded in taking Moscow.
In addition by preparing for a longer war, like 3-5 years, they would have not overextended and Stalingrad could have been prevented. They still would have had to push at a fast pace and end the war before the industry capacity of the russians really kicked in. But there was a decent amount of time for that.

Replacing Goering could have helped as well. The Luftwaffe underperformed compared to what was expected, partially because Goering was most likely on a lot of drugs during WW2. Or maybe he was just not a good strategist.


And as mentioned by others, by winning the USA as an ally, which would have not been that hard, considering that the USA were "afraid" of communism and hated it with a passion.
Or by treating the people who were oppressed by the USSR better and winning them over to actually fight for Germany. That would have helped alot.

Yes yes while we let poles masacre Germans in the East while the French best then up in the west.
Learn some history faggot, if you lost some land and different people come there and mass kill your people would you just sit here?

It was the exact situation like we have on Kosovo basically, if they kill more serbs we are invading.

Yes, that's why they attacked the Dutch East Indies.

Their idea was to deal such a harsh, one-time blow it would hamper US naval presence in the Pacific for more than a year. It ultimately failed as the Pearl Harbour carrier fleet was away during the attack

>How could Germany of won WW2?
By attacking everyone except Russia

Domestic Polish politics are a Polish concern.

Germany does not have the right to unilaterally invade sovereign states.

If you don't want to lose wars, don't start them.

>of won
YOU FUCKING RETARDED CUNT FUCKING KILL YOURSELF BUT NOT BEFORE YOU LEARN TO SPEAK YOUR OWN FUCKING LANGUAGE FIRST YOU FUCKING DUMB FUCK.

>not waste resources on the final solution
>make Hitler actually listen to his generals
>never employ Goring and Eichmann

THOS THIS THIS right here, people don't generally realize it all went downhill with Pilsudski's death in 1935. Imagine what could have been if he didn't die and Germany got it's clay back in west Poland. They would have probably fucked up the Soviets together. I cri.

Why does everyone make this mistake nowadays? This was literally not a thing in school.

They wouldn't.

Exterminate Britain before launching any attack on the Soviet Union