I'm a Trumpocrat who's always hated Reagan and seen him as the father of a trickle-down economic theory that did not...

I'm a Trumpocrat who's always hated Reagan and seen him as the father of a trickle-down economic theory that did not work, and a religious loon who consulted gypsies before making decisions.

Redpill me on Ronald Reagan.

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Seems like you have a pretty good grasp of things already.

>trickle-down economic theory

You should hate him for introducing the US to no fault divorce. It didn't exist here until he pushed for it governor of California. Then he pushed other states to adopt it was a conservative value (get the government out of your private family matters). It's been downhill for families ever since.

idgi

>a trickle-down economic theory that did not work
It didn't work because he opened the flood gates for beaner labor. The increase in demand for workers due to trickledown economics was canceled out by 30 million dumb beaners that were happy to work for the bare minimum, or even less.

I don't understand why Reagan doesn't get more shit for causing this nightmare.

>Redpill me on Ronald Reagan.
His idea of taxing rich people less so that rich people pay poor people more is demonstrably retarded

Nancy consulted astrologers. as well priests, rabbis, and preachers, after Reagan got shot. Reagan never did.

Fun fact: Hillary Clinton repeatedly told people she held séances so she could ask famous dead people what she should do next. Hillary also believes in astrology and horoscopes, so she's a few steps past Nancy.

Trickle down economics is all everyone talks about when the economy slows down--- because the rich aren't spending their money, so there's less money flowing down to the rest of the masses. It's always they rich they point out and the rich they blame. Once the rich slow down or stop spending, everyone and everything else (companies) slow down and stop all the spending they can, and the economy goes belly up. All until the rich start spending again, and then everyone else follows suit.

So how can trickle down economics be shit when it is always the rich that get blamed for the economy going belly up or the economy starts to roll?

The only thing i know about him is he was assassinated at the age of 90

The rich at those rates didn't pay taxes. There weren't any tax loopholes, the whole thing was one big hole.

Closed the machine gun registry
Gave Amnesty and doomed California
No Fault Divorce
Iran-Contra

bretty bad dude

Reagan made a deal with Congress about immigration. There was supposed to be more enforcement and walls and fences in exchange for allowing more legal beaners through guest workers, more visas, less deportations for long time illegals, and legalizing all the long term illegals who weren't convicted of any felonies.

Sound familiar? Congress decided to do none of that but legalize the current crop of illegals and cut border patrol funding.

Reagan said that was the only big mistake he made as a president, and if he had his whole life to live over again, he'd had told Congress to go fuck itself over that deal, and any other deal that Congress didn't immediately do their part up front.

>ITT: Commies

I thought Americans were redpilled on the perfection of the free market? I'm guessing you're mexicans. Reagan was based, cutting the tax rates, reducing regulations and generally increasing economic freedoms, bringing us one step closer to Anarcho capitalism. Shame his progress was shat on by the Bushes, Clinton and Obama who have no respect for libertarian values.

Iran-Contra is pretty heinous.
He's with Kennedy in my mind for charming President with good intentions, causing major longterm damage because of short-sighted decisions.

you sound like a faggot to me who's trying to talk shit about the original Trump. die.

Fuck reagan. That cocksucker ruined California with no-fault divorce and amnesty for millions of Mexicans. He single handedly turned California from red to blue and I hope he burns in hell for all eternity, forced to drink Mexican tap water to cool off.

Fuck that actor piece of shit.

I was born in 84

Despite any good policies I cannot forgive him for selling out fathers to NOW.

He signed a law that forces employers to collect child support payments. If they did not comply the employer would be held responsible for the amount. He also signed National Child Support month.

He essentially made a father a cuck giving women all the power and increased incentives for women to divorce.

I am all for fathers supporting their kids but the government had no damn business involved in family life. These laws encourage single parent households.

Motherfuckers.

This. We need to change the marriage laws.

I lived during his presidency

You know how Trump is attacked non stop by the media, like about every little thing he does

Reagan was basically the same as Trump, did a bunch of crazy cowboy things, except media back then didn't have balls to attack him. Chris Wallace for example, you might remember him he was the moderator of the final debate between Hillary and Trump, he worked as a correspondent back in the day and Reagan basically told his ass off all the time to the point CNN told him to stop making us look bad and threatened to fire him

He was loved by pretty much every single American, even niggers and liberals. But eventually his fizz wore out, still he was the Trump of our generation. Wasn't a perfect guy by any means though

>trickle-down economic theory

was reagan the first Cuckservitive?

You pretty much understand the man. I was the opposite, my family is vehemently pro Reagan and I grew up being taught that he was the second coming of Jesus and fixed America. It was only until after I began reading and studying about the man that I realized that he isnt all that he seems.

Reagan fixed a few problems and brought in a new era of nationalism, but at the same time brought in a slew of new problems. Massive business forming into the big conglomerates we know today, deficit which has never been paid off, the list goes on. He is a very strange president.

A cuck that through legislation made every man in America a cuck.

>trickle-down economic theory that did not work

>2.9% average gdp growth under obama
>7.9% average dgp growth under reagan

>didn't work

this

anti-reagan commies get the fuck off pol

I don't really know where people get off saying "trickle down did not work." We do not know how the world would have looked in the absence of Reagan's policies. It should also be noted that the term "trickle down economics" has never been advocated by anyone. Ever.

I'm tepid toward the man. The economy absolutely roared during his presidency, but it's unclear to me how much of that was his own doing. The whole planet was in a major bull cycle at that time.

It's easy to fund high growth with a high deficit. Capitalists usually call that "socialism", but I guess it's fine when Reagan does it.

liberals absolutely hate Reagan
because he embodied capitalism
and the fact that in the USA if youre not successful its because your unfocused,lazy or a complainer

its up to you to pick which philosophy to pick in life

bla bla bla r/basic income

Actually, liberals hated him. They constantly attacked him, both while president and after. They always said shit like the "pissgate" about him, him being gay, him being cucked by Nancy with BBC, everything, everything they say about Trump and worse.

Those of us old enough to remember what they said about Reagan, constantly, are getting flashbacks about the media with Reagan.

And the press really went after Reagan, but he was very quick on his feet and able to make them all look like retarded cocksuckers that shouldn't be allowed out of their mommy's house. That's why they stopped taking him on head on.

They were convinced he was going to get the world destroyed, and the Russians (then the USSR) actually pissed their pants repeatedly over Reagan cause they knew he was ready to meet Jesus at any time and so he didn't fuck around.

Reagan causes the liberals to piss themselves (literally) a few times as well. Such as coming out to a presser and saying "We just outlawed Russia. The bombs start dropping in 5 minutes."

Great, great man. Best president of the 20th century, and funny as hell.

Global economic growth was high during this period and it's likely that the US economy moved at least partially in sympathy with that trend.

This. Reagan's mistake was he was too trusting and tended to project his sense of honor onto others, or that's my impression at least.

His economic theories were fine honestly. I'm for lower taxes on ethical grounds if nothing else.

No fault divorce was just bad. If it was indeed about conservative 'principles' then it's a good example of how their principles when enacted in the form of half measures gives us the worst of libertarianism and the worst of leftism.

According to the IMF, the US economy is the world economy. When the US economy is in the shitter, the world's economy is in the shitter. When the US economy is roaring, the world's economy is roaring. Again, all according to the IMF. They are pressing hard for Congress to follow the Trump pan, as they expect it to cause a global boom that could rival the Reagan Revival (and the huge boom that set off throughout the world).

I just wish people complaining about "trickle down" would propose something better. Like what? Stagflation we saw under Carter?

How well has non-trickle down obamanomics worked out? Is anyone going to look back to the
"roaring 2010s"? Things are shit by comparison to the 80s and 90s.

I lived through that period. The construction trades were doing well but other than that no jobs. Factories that were here for years where I lived were closing down left and right going overseas.

Real estate values were going up making them unaffordable. I had wished I was born a few years earlier just so I could have found a home before real estate skyrocketed where I lived.

Things in the 80s and 90s were shit by comparison with the 50s and 60s.

I liked his meme but he did not deliver. His 1964 Republican Inauguration speech was pretty amazing. Either it was all an act and he was a fake or he was finished mentally after getting shot.

Yeah, I remember the real estate inflation. At the time, everyone was afraid that they'd have to learn Japanese, because the Japs were the new people buying up land in the US like mad. The Germans and Saudis still out spent them, but the Japs were new and that caused everyone to have a new worry.

I don't know where you lived, but I know the South and NE's economies started screaming along during that time. Between the military spending and the follow on financial spending, life got good for a great many residents in the US.

A tax cut doesn't spend money, does it? Creating a deficit because you're not taxing people as heavily is not quite the same thing as creating a deficit because you are actively increasing spending.

That isn't to say spending shouldn't be cut to pay for a tax cut, but people lose their shit when you actually propose cutting any public spending.

Reagan DID increase spending, especially in the military sector. If he had cut spending as much as he cut taxes, you can bet growth wouldn't have been nearly as high.

Reagan's presidency was not reagan"s.

After George Bush had him shot, he was never the same.

By 85-86 he had no control of executive policy, he just ate jelly beans and Acted as president.

this man was better

If government spending were the key to economic growth North Korea would be the wealthiest nation on the planet. If that's all it took for real economic growth and sustainable wealth generation, economics would be an easy subject.

Increased military spending wasn't the platform for Regan's economic policy. It was tax cuts and deregulation. And we're likely to see that and more under Trump.

We've been in economic decline since the 1970s, and the period of growth between 1870-1970 was just a huge fluke predicated on all the technological achievements that unleashed a level of wealth and quality of life never before seen. All current growing wealth and productivity is only being felt at the top percentiles and the lowest, poorest segment that is being brought out of poverty in developing countries.

The technological achievements of our age are not making life better in the sense that the invention of the car made life better. Or the invention of household electricity made life better. Or the invention of cold storage.

All our biggest technologies are just disrupting older jobs without replacing them with comparable jobs with fair wages and displacing local economies - Uber disrupting taxis without comparable compensation and displacing the cost of risk onto the employee. Automation disrupting manufacturing. AI doing who knows what in the next couple decades - putting millions out of work.

Daily reminder that this man gave the rubber stamp to his advisers, funneled crack cocaine into inner cities through the CIA and other domestic agencies and was responsible for our retarded middle eastern foreign policies.

Dude, he's the definition of it.

He sold americans out on a silver platter to bankers and globalists.

tax cuts are short term growth at the expense of longer term growth. We'll see the same bubble again that led to the financial mismanagement of 2008 and subsequent decline.

and men to the policies of NOW. For which they used all bogus statistics against men and fathers which no one in the media called them on. Yet Reagan and a bi-partisan congress made a cuck out of every man in America regardless for the women vote.

Government spending are one of the keys to growth. Every spending on the national budget is added to the GDP. The problem with that is that it only works on the long term if the spending ends up giving as much or more in revenues than they cost. In the case of military spending, this is never the case. And this is why the debt to GDP ratio under Reagan kept growing really fast, while it went down under Bill. Bill actually brought sustainable growth while Reagan didn't. Of course Bush ended up ruining it after that.

Which is nuts, because the Republicans already had the married woman vote, and the Democrats already had the single woman vote. Easy divorce just helps move married Republican voting women into the single Democrat voting women demographic. Divorced or widowed, they still vote like single women.

I really dont understand how Sup Forums can be "conservative" but not like Ronald Reagan, the guy who almost single handedly help end the cold war. And even if you have problems with him, who in the 80's would have done any better?

North Korea has almost no trade so this is a bad example. Who knows what their economy would look like if they weren't sanctioned to death and could trade competitively. Government spending doesn't suddenly replace trade and competitiveness - it enhances it in many cases by investing in public goods that the private sector wouldn't invest it but benefits from.

in what way exactly?

What the fuck are you mongolids talking about? Clinton was the one that passed NAFTA and deregulated the banks with the glass-stealgall repeal Bill and Bush also liberalized the housing market that lead to 2007 crash, All Reagan did was make a trade deal with Canada and Raise tariffs on Japanese imported cars to save GM.

I believe the fear was losing the female vote in 84 due to the popularity of feminism and the Dems having the first female VP at that time.

Most of Sup Forums was born after Reagan. Kids these days are just fed up with the traditional idea of conservatives, they want edgier and more race realist. I don't blame them after getting bombarded by every known media personality and academia telling them they should be ashamed to be white males and such.

>trickle-down economic theory that did not work
If you have a job, trickle down does work. The government is making it harder and harder for new businesses to compete for your services though.

Carter was the biggest pussy ever

regan was not a bitch

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his cia invented crack so thats pretty bad for everyone

trump is doubling down on a lot of reagan's policies

I doubt he'll end nafta and I'll bet he promotes more

As revenue climbs, Congress redirects it to their newest pork barrel projects and new kick back schemes.

The dot com bubble pushed up Clinton's revenue way beyond anything Congres shad ever seen, and Congress couldn't convert it to pork fast enough. But they eventually caught up once that bubble burst.

Don't forget, they invents AIDS and new generation institutional racism.

And they personally framed over 40% of all black men for crimes they didn't commit.

"We wuz kangz and shitters in the loo before any crazy whites left the caves and shit."

>Daily reminder that this man gave the rubber stamp to his advisers, funneled crack cocaine into inner cities through the CIA and other domestic agencies
There is ZERO proof of this show me the signed order

>Don't forget, they invents AIDS

t b h f a m they probably did

Reagan was above average president. To red pill you I'll start with the simple things.
1. Reagan didn't talk to gypsies. That was his wife.
2. Trickle down economics is something democrats invented to blame bad economy on republicans.
3. He pushed the commies into a spending spree that hastened their downfall. So in a way, he did beat the commies. The problem is he had to do a lot of dumb shit. For example, he was the one responsible for Taliban. He sold weapons to Iran (enemy at that time) to fund south Americans rebels.
4. Carter was weak and pathetic, like Obama. He blamed Americans when he made a mistake and couldn't get respect from foreign leaders. Reagan fixed that. He made Americans feel proud again, and that is why he is so loved.

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what did he do right?

If you read the replies in this thread they are not all kids. There are a few that posted already including myself saying we lived through it.

Reagan rhetoric was good but that is all it was. If he were President today people here would be rightfully going ape shit how he made cucks out of every father in America. If the definition of Conservatism has changed to have the government in all aspects of marriage and family life then f Conservatism.

Piss joke.

holy fuck

You're a fucking retard if you actually think trickle down is a viable economic plan

Trickle-down economics is a strawman invented by the left. Literally no economist ever talks about trickledown theory.

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were not talking about today, he worked at the time

Physical removal when?

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The Republicans OBAMA.

Ok.

All economic policy is trickle down. That's the joke.

Kensian is that, when your private economy is stuck in a rut, you up government spending to provide more money, upping the money supply. More money available means more companies/people spending money, increasing the economy and GDP.

Quantitive easing is a direct attack of supplying more money to the banking system so the banking system will, in theory, provide more money in loans. In reality, the banks have just spent all that easy money on the stock market.

Deregulation and dropping tax rates is increasing the money supply by taking less of it away from the producers and the spenders.

All economy fixes are "trickle down". Some just apply the extra money to the banks, some apply it to the top businesses (corporate and private), and some apply it to all levels (ie, setting a flat tax rate).

Is there anything else the GOVERNMENT can do other than trickle down? If so, I'd be happy to learn about it.

I think welfare and gibs to the poor isn't considered trickle down.

Reagan 1983 State of the Union

"We will not tolerate wage discrimination based on sex, and we intend to strengthen enforcement of child support laws to ensure that single parents, most of whom are women, do not suffer unfair financial hardship. We will also take action to remedy inequities in pensions. These initiatives will be joined by others to continue our efforts to promote equity for women."

He is the founding father of the reason for the decline in white birth rates, the decline of marriage and the high rate of divorce. That first line that piece of shit said is the same crap that came out of the mouth of Obama and Hillary.

For which that piece of shit single handedly destroyed the middle class over the course of those 8 years.

>He is the founding father of the reason for the decline in white birth rates
As much as I hate Reagan, this simply isn't true. White birth rates has massively declined a long time before him.

But the government doesn't try to get out of an economic slump by increasing the amount of welfare or food stamps it gives people. It tries to: lower taxes, reduce regulations, print more money to lend to banks, increase government spending on defense.

Hrm. I am surprised governments don't just declare they are going to be raise welfare payments to stimulate the economy. But, as I recall, Nancy Pelosi TRIED to do this, and got laughed down by her own Democratic caucus (while she was Speaker of the House). Maybe that's cause so few places in the US tax food or strippers?

Every economic system is trickle down.

In capitalism, wealthy people keep more of their money (capital), instead of having it taxed, they do what wealthy people do, which is invest their capital into new business ventures which creates jobs and income. Hence the trickle down to workers who wouldn't otherwise have those jobs.

OR, we can go the route of state-run trickle down (communism), where the state trickles down to the peasants their allotment of whatever the fuck the state determines they "need".

Please, can one of you socialist morons form a coherent argument for what other system you are arguing for if not capitalism? Every fucking socialist lives in this fantasy land where there is no higher power managing resource allocation, but that's literally how things work. In any economic system, there's always someone at the top. And if it's not Bill Gates or Warren Buffet, it's huge chavez, Mao, Maduro, etc. And all of those politicians are fucking retards who lead their people to ruin.

Bullshit is bullshit. Surprised this wasn't published by Buzzfeed and CNN.

here's my plan-- remove all incentives, free education, socialize medicine for the most part while allowing private practice primary care, and things like plastic surgery or whatever.

>Ended the Cold war with increased militarization and bold foreign policy
>cuck
Nice try faggots.

Read Gary Webb's Dark Alliance

Reagan and the CIA put crack into black and latino neighborhoods and fucked them over, giving rise to gang culture

Also the epic fail that is the War on Drugs