Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
They don't. The USSR and Eastern Bloc was socially quite conservative.
Noah Edwards
>Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
So, self enacted slavery and destruction of the human will?
Yeah, "next stage of humanity" my ass.
Hudson Cruz
>People work less >Somehow get abundance
>Capitalism >Not utilizing machinery to maximize output and minimizing expenses because a Robot doesn't need vacation
How come Capitalism lead to the biggest booms in manufacturing and production while Communism failed terribly with minimal production and constant shortages?
Colton Smith
Jorge sthap
Gavin Perry
Liquidate the burgeoisie
Nicholas Young
Get out damn commies,we stopped you once and we will stop you again.
Charles Gonzalez
>Communism
Stay still for a second kid.
Kayden Rivera
Yeah, they tried full dildos poz right after the revolution and it didn't work at all (duh)
Adam Carter
kys ok thx bye
Samuel Edwards
Can someone explain to me the following terms:
>productive infrastructure >socially owned >social need From the perspective of service driven economies and being in a era where "digital goods" are so prevalent, like Netflix.
Doesn't matter how many times you make this thread, you won't get gibs you dirty nigger
Jack Clark
OP is a fucking retard.
Aaron Rogers
Communism was a jewish creation
Jeremiah Gonzalez
ITT: spooks, spooks everywhere
Landon Harris
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Hudson Sanchez
Communism is the ultimate red pill. Capitalism killed millions.
Gavin Russell
You know, it's funny, if /leftypol/ did start shilling Strasserism or even Nazbol stuff here, they could probably get a lot of converts. I mean, I'm not terribly interested in either form of national socialism, but at least I'm aware that Ernst Rohm did nothing wrong.
Eli Peterson
Shouldn't you have died by starvation by now?
Carson Phillips
>tfw people keep not reading Stirner and still mistake him for an objectivist
Joshua Nelson
How the fuck do people mistake Stirner for an Objectivist? Ayn Rand's beliefs are virtually the exact opposite of his, "A=A" is the definition of spooked.
Liam Powell
Stalin killed ~60 millions of his own citizens.Read Solzhenitsyn.
Cooper Brown
No, autistic retards who don't even understand Communism but just hate rich people hate the nuclear family. Actual communists generally value the family, because it's such a major part of the community.
What does communism have to do with "self-enacted slavery" or "destruction of human will"? You aren't voting in any politicians, and you aren't working by force. Libertarians used to be communists until recently people started considering them right-wing anarchists.
Benjamin Carter
Can you imagine that? He wasn't killing enemy in 1918-1956, he was killing people from his own country. Fuck you and your fucking communsim
Kayden Hall
>Actual communists generally value the family, because it's such a major part of the community.
Some do. Stalinists obviously did, Leninists are a little more ambivalent towards it. Maoists think the family is an outdated construct that undermines communist loyalties.
Noah Brooks
If you want communism - go to North Korea, kids.
Charles Ward
>This thread >Literally. Left wing
Dominic Fisher
In what way is North Korea a stateless, classless society?
Cameron Hernandez
Juche is shit though, that's like saying if you want pizza go get pineapple pizza.
Thomas Reyes
No, it was 160 million.
Landon Russell
Is this some kind of bot or something? I mean almost every thread that look like this starts the same way, same answers and maybe 1 or 2 answers that barely resemble some humanity
Anthony Stewart
>"Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists."
>On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution. The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.
>and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.
Communists cucks don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Marx was a lonely kike who wanted to destroy everything he didn't have and depended on Engels for his finances since he was too petty to get a job.
Get a life, red scum.
Alexander Clark
>the present family, the bourgeois family >the bourgeois family I wonder why he points out that the "present family" is the bourgeois family? Is it possible that families are often not representative of actual kinship and love for one another, and instead are closer to an economic contract? I wonder if Marx was looking back at marriages in history, and how rich families would marry not for love but for the sake of maintaining economic power.
Isaac Powell
You can make these Threads all day long m8. Nobody will care after the 100th time.
Camden Young
Hi comrade, nice to see you again
Nolan Jackson
It's almost as thought Marx applies Bourgeois to everything he hates and Proletariat to everything he loves to create a false dichotomy in which everything he says sounds reasonable but makes no fucking sense in all actuality.
He further goes on to say we need to deconstruct the traditional nations because the "worker has no country, he's a free man XDDDD"
>The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality. The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got. Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word.
Nice job ignoring the later line though. He brings up the proletariat family and then says BOTH WILL VANISH.
Follow your leader and ice pick yourself, faggot.
Charles King
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Parker Taylor
You haent seen me. I just read few times.
But changes nothing. Your all Textbook commies.
Charles Roberts
I'm not a commie, I just like the opportunity to talk to people outside of my regular circles who don't have a huge stick up their ass about their ideology
Nicholas Stewart
You'll get what's coming to you, Spain day of the inquisition when? Don't forget to sage in all fields guys Sup Forums is a NatSoc board
Adrian Sullivan
Post heroes of the people
RIP
A man whose love for his people was only matched by the peoples love for him.
Justin Long
Got taken on a helicopter ride from the grave.
Good job, Pino.
Henry Carter
>He brings up the proletariat family and then says BOTH WILL VANISH He's talking about private property and the bourgeoisie family, and how both of those will vanish, come on now lad.
>It's almost as thought Marx applies Bourgeois to everything he hates and Proletariat to everything he loves to create a false dichotomy in which everything he says sounds reasonable but makes no fucking sense in all actuality. How doesn't this apply though? Fuck we're on Sup Forums where shitloads of people hate marriage now because it's so tied together with money and feels more like a business contract than an actual relationship.
>He further goes on to say we need to deconstruct the traditional nations because the "worker has no country, he's a free man XDDDD" Well yeah, Communism is anarchism.
>Follow your leader and ice pick yourself, faggot. Also worth noting that Karl Marx isn't the only philosopher on Socialist economics and left-wing politics. He wasn't even the first, he's just the most well known.
Christian Diaz
And what's coming but glorious red revolution?
Dylan Collins
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Jonathan Bennett
Another one.
Anthony Reed
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Liam Perez
>He's talking about private property and the bourgeoisie family, and how both of those will vanish, come on now lad. >and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.
It's implied that the vanishing of capital, of private property, brings the end to the "bourgeoisie family" and the "proletariat family" Other wise he would have wrote "And both, capital and the bourgeoisie family will vanish."
>How doesn't this apply though? He applies bourgeoisie to everything he doesn't like in the same way the modern day red kike lover will label everything fascist. The MGTOW is a vocal minority on Sup Forums and is shitposting half the time. Go back to /r9k/ where you belong commie cuck, I'm sure it's where Marx would be.
>Well yeah, Communism is anarchism. Yeah, so fuck off, you're going to try and bring up how people on Sup Forums don't like marriage yet come here with your leftist dogshit about anarchism?
You're just like your kike loving father, creating false dichotomies to fit your narrative and disregarding truth. Sup Forums is OVERWHELMING nationalist and I'd like to see you commie cucks try to take down a nationalist force on your own.
>Also worth noting that Karl Marx isn't the only philosopher on Socialist economics and left-wing politics. He wasn't even the first, he's just the most well known.
Good thing my reference was about Trotsky. I know your conniving ways you /leftypol/ reject. Go jerk it to your fat, sniffling cunt of a cult leader and debate another NatBol while you're at it.
At least they won't rip your garbage ideology apart.
Dylan Russell
So what are the other classes besides the working class?
Jack Hill
Capitalist class : the private owners of the means of production
Noah Ward
Is that it? What about the children, adolescents, the eldery, the sick and disabled including the mentally ill?
Xavier Rivera
It doesn't really matter if you are disabled, if you own the means of production then you're part of the capitalist class. There's some writing on the petite bourgeois who own shops and are artists but Marx believes they will become part of the proletariat because their suffering under capitalism will become so great that they too see revolution as the answer.
Samuel Hall
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Dylan Perez
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Sebastian Ward
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Matthew Flores
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Blake Lee
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Daniel Jones
>posts weeb shit >probably faps to traps user, your parents are dissapoint.
Daniel Ward
Ok that's it, I'm going to need some sauce here.
Jason Scott
Ok. How are resources and production of goods managed? Particularly, when there is a shortage. Is there any point in having a surplus of a good? How are decisions made?
William Wood
oh boy its the spanish faggot from plebbit in here again to talk about communism
Oliver Hall
This faggot piece of shit was put up for adoption. No one wants to be around dirty commies
Gabriel Perez
What if he's just a misguided cross posting troll? What if we can help him change his life and escape a suicidal end as he for sure would otherwise fall for the commie transgender meme.
Easton Lewis
you realize communists on those pictures are most likely the victims?
Nathan Ortiz
>How are resources and production of goods managed? No one really knows. Marx says 'each according to his ability each according to his needs' so it's really open to interpretation.
>How are decisions made? Again, there are a lot of answers. Leninism uses Party Vanguardism, anarchists would probably favour worker councils. Pick your poison.
Nicholas Allen
I second this request
Robert Harris
>mfw day of the rope soon for all of you subhumans
This tool seems to offer the means to optimize the continued development and growth of the power of Soviet Russia, the subversive capture of free nations, and the establishment of worldwide educational, technological, military, and space superiority. But more important, cybernetics is now seen by some Soviet authorities as the means of facilitating the optimum (Communist) control of the complex system of states, peoples, and resources of the world which the Communists hope will result from Communist world domination.
Simply stated, cybernetics involves purposeful control of complex dynamic systems. Dynamic systems are those systems which can react to or adapt to a changing environment. In practice, the Soviets appear to be classifying almost any subject that has to do with information and control in man, machine, and society as cybernetics. Cybernetic systems, as opposed to automatic devices, are capable of responding in a predictable orderly manner to changes in the environment. An example of a crude cybernetic system is the home furnace that responds via thermostatic control to changes in temperature for the purpose of maintaining a reasonably constant temperature in the home. One of the first complex cybernetic systems developed was Norbert Wiener’s design of a system to link radar through a computer to a battery of automatic fire-controlled antiaircraft guns.
Project Cybersyn was a Chilean project from 1971–1973 during the presidency of Salvador Allende aimed at constructing a distributed decision support system to aid in the management of the national economy. The project consisted of four modules: an economic simulator, custom software to check factory performance, an operations room, and a national network of telex machines that were linked to one mainframe computer.
Project Cybersyn was based on viable system model theory and a neural network approach to organizational design, and featured innovative technology for its time: it included a network of telex machines (Cybernet) in state-run enterprises that would transmit and receive information with the government in Santiago. Information from the field would be fed into statistical modeling software (Cyberstride) that would monitor production indicators (such as raw material supplies or high rates of worker absenteeism) in real time, and alert the workers in the first case, and in abnormal situations also the central government, if those parameters fell outside acceptable ranges. The information would also be input into economic simulation software (CHECO, for CHilean ECOnomic simulator) that the government could use to forecast the possible outcome of economic decisions. Finally, a sophisticated operations room (Opsroom) would provide a space where managers could see relevant economic data, formulate responses to emergencies, and transmit advice and directives to enterprises and factories in alarm situations by using the telex network.
Matthew Edwards
Yeah, it'll be quite interesting to see how capitalism adapts to increased automation. No doubt there will be a conflict between business demands and the will of the people. The problem with supercomputers controlling distribution is that it could create a new class system, in effect the computer becomes the means of production and as such cannot exist in a capitalist world, though I don't know a lot about automated communism.
Elijah Clark
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William Taylor
Ok. The computer system does a lot of calculations and can make short term predictions, but ultimately the decisions are made by a few people operating the system.
Lucas Cruz
Not an argument.
Michael Cox
This example (cybersyn) is a centralized socialist state, of course for communism another cybernetic system would have to be though. There are decentralized-planned economy and distributed-planned economy systems possibilities too.
Dominic Anderson
The Soviet Union actually had a lot of literature available, though some topics were obviously censored.
William Martin
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William Davis
this
Chase Barnes
>some topics were censored. op is the jack scalfani of politics
