/Fsg/ Fascism General

/Fsg/ - Fascist General

Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.

A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested


conservapedia.com/Fascist_Manifesto,_1919

worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm

reakt.org/fiume/charter_of_carnaro.html


uploadmb.com/dw.php?id=1389982155

Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"


Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction

Oswald Mosely
Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera
Benito Mussolini
Adolf Hitler
Stepan Bandera
Corneliu Zelea Codreanu
Salazar
Ramiro Ledesma Ramos
Ettore Ovazza
Gaetano Mosca
Friedrich Nietzsche
Charles Maurras
Enrico Corradini
Filippo Tommaso Marinetti
Johann Plenge
Alceste De Ambris
Gabriele d'Annunzio
George Lincoln Rockwell
Juan PerĂ³n
Giovanni Gentile
Julius Evola

Types of Fascism

Italian
Falangism
National-Syndicalism
British Union
National-Socialism
Strasserism
Meme futurism
Clerical Fascism
Brazilian Integralism
Peronism

"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely

Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaxism
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_theory
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hlinka_Guard
amren.com/features/2016/12/blacks-changed-school/
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

>philosophic conception
Fascism is thought and action. It is action with an inherent doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historic forces, is inserted in it and works on it from within. It has therefore a form co-related to the contingencies of time and place; but it has at the same time an ideal content which elevates it into a formula of truth in the higher region of the history of thought.

>spiritual conception
To Fascism the world is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all other men, standing by himself and subject to a natural law which instinctively impels him to lead a life of momentary and egoistic pleasure. In Fascism man is an individual who is the nation and the country. He is this by a moral law which embraces and binds together individuals and generations in an established tradition and mission, a moral law which suppresses the instinct to lead a life confined to a brief cycle of pleasure in order, instead, to replace it within the orbit of duty in a superior conception of life, free from the limits of time and space a life in which the individual by self-abnegation and by the sacrifice of his particular interests, even by death, realises the entirely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists.

>ethical conception
This positive conception of life is evidently an ethical conception. And it comprises the whole reality as well as the human activity which domineers it. No action is to be removed from the moral sense; nothing is to be in the world that is divested of the importance which belongs to it in respect of moral aims. Life, therefore, as the Fascist conceives it, is serious, austere, religious; entirely balanced in a world sustained by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the "easy" life.

>religious conception
Fascism is a religious conception in which man is considered to be in the powerful grip of a superior law, with an objective will which transcends the particular individual and elevates him into a fully conscious member of a spiritual society. Anyone who has stopped short at the mere consideration of opportunism in the religious policy of the Fascist Regime, has failed to understand that Fascism, besides being a system of government, is also a system of thought.

Anyone with questions, do you feel free to ask them.

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Where does metaxes fit into this

>metaxes
What?

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Reminder that Strasserite National Socialism is the real red pill.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaxism

I need help. This isn't exactly /NSG/, but do any of you know how the national socialists made gun policy? Did they loosen, or stricten it?

There is a lot of mixed information going around.

Huh, I had never heard about this. But glad I do now, seems very based. Gonna have to do more reading into them

What's the third one on the bottom row?

Hitler allowed all citizens of germany to own firearms up until 1936 iirc, then he banned all Jewish citizens from owning firearms. Due to recent attacks on german messengers from Jewish attackers, he took the right away from all of them. But german citizens remained their right to own firearms.

Wew lads

tl;dr, if you were an average German, gun laws got far more lax, this went doubly so if you were serving in the armed forces or were a veteran.

If you were a Jew or deemed 'unreliable' they stayed mostly the same to the laws of the Weimar Republic (which was vehemently anti-gun.)

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_theory

This one?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hlinka_Guard

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I was reading over the Fascist Manifesto and many of the economic ideas seem pretty close to the desires of the modern day socialists.
I'm not saying this necessarily makes Fascism any better or any worse, I'm just wondering if you feel if that relation is incorrect or not

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It's not accurate.

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"Fascism solves the problem of unemployment and poverty by establishing the Corporate State, which will be divided into National corporations governed by representatives of employers, workers and consumers, operating under Fascist government. The State will not attempt to conduct industry as it would under Socialism, instead, the State will lay down the limits within which industry' may operate, and those limits will be the national welfare. Private ownership will be permitted and encouraged, provided such activity enriches the nation as well as the individual. All interests that operate against the nation will be rigorously suppressed. The function of the Corporations will be to raise wages and salaries over the whole field of industry as science, rationalization and industrial technique increase the power to produce. Consumption will be adjusted to production and a Home Market will be provided by the higher purchasing power of our own people. Fascism involves a corporatist political system in which the economy was collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at the national level. This non-elected form of state officializing of every interest into the state was professed to reduce the marginalization of singular interests (as would allegedly happen by the unilateral end condition inherent in the democratic voting process). Corporatism would instead better recognize or "incorporate" every divergent interest into the state organically, according to its supporters, thus being the inspiration for their use of the term totalitarian, perceivable to them as not meaning a coercive system but described distinctly as without coercion."

got the full version of that?

Literally had this same thing with same picture put in, when it told me duplicate file already exists.

is free speech and fascism incompatible?

One with the leader of each of these movements?
No, we haven't made one

NO TRUMP

NO KKK

NO FASCIST USA

NO KKK NO FASCIST USA!

How could fascism be put into place in the US?
The only way a fascist could actually run in the general election would be to forge his own party, since the big two would never accept an outspoken fascist and since the only way to get the populace on his side would be to blame those two parties for the crimes they've committed. But since independent parties are so small, and since many people still vote for candidates solely on political parties, what can we really do?

Absolute free speech? No, this would permit communists and Marxists to preach their propaganda.

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Mussolini was a socialist before his military service in WW1, how do you not know this?

And then he spoke about how he realized it is a complete failure after the war.

I read the entirety of part 1 and have two questions.
1. it says "The NSDAP followed all aspects of the above described fascist system"
I was under the impression that National Socialism and Fascism were two different systems. whats up with that?
2. Are you putting into consideration that people are naturally selfish and a "Totalitarian" state that decides which corporations are good and which are bad is bound to become corrupt?

Fascism was practically born from early 20th century socialism.

A big split between the 2 however was nationalism vs internationalism.

Another differance was the socialists who became fascists saw class conflict as destructive to the nation and instead encouraged and built class cooperation.

A lot of the beliefs of the Fasci of Revolutionary Action were basically remixed socialism.

An user brought me the idea a couple days ago, to try to avoid immediate and heavy slander and criticism, we call ourselves the corporatist party, or something like that. During the run we might be associated with fascism due to Corporatisms association with fascism, but that can be easily reflected, for then at least. But calling ourselves something like that, is the only way I'd see us winning democratically. The world will never accept the word fascist, not in its current state.

Thank you.

the way i see it is these ideas can be ridiculed by the media and the state, but allowed a voice so their dissent gets no true traction in the shadows

As long as the message of the speech does not harm the nation and it's people.

Perhaps at a local level a mayor/governor could be of a fascist party but fascism has become such a buzzword that most Americans wouldn't vote for the person.

Only through mass mobilization of the people could Fascism come to America.

But as of now the threats against America are not enough yo unify the people against it.

Welllllll, in an established fascist society. There most likely wouldn't be much need for it, as all communists and most leftists would've been removed in the process of establishing fascism. Personally I believe anyone advocating communism or supporting it in a fascist state should be removed of immediately, to prevent spread of such a disgusting ideology. But the likely result in a fascist society would be the leaders of those movements being removed, and its supporters being jailed.

Thanks goys!

amren.com/features/2016/12/blacks-changed-school/

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>gets a blacks to go to the school so they can play basketball
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So your plan is to lie to everybody? Certainly, fascism has negative connotations in America, but look at what Trump managed to do for the right in just one and a half years.

I suppose this is a valid point - NSDAP was only brought to power in Germany by great inner strife, and even then it was over a 14-year period. I still see no reason to not attack the connotations of fascism and natsoc, though.

It will either take political chaos or an amazingly skilled speaker who works for the people. They would also have to pull a Trump and address the subjects no one wants to.

Anyone read evola?

I just ordered "ride the tiger".. wondering if theres a better way to get an introduction. He sounds like a smart guy.

Could always try thuggery and violence before running the country into the ground and screwing over the next generation and many more to come.

oh yes communism is disgusting, and if such a fascist state were put into place I doubt we would worry about it

but the progress TO that state requires ridicule and subversion of communist and socialist ideals

shit like the "fully automatic gay space communism" on reddit memes normies into liking commies, when what we should be doing is ridiculing communism and not allowing it to spread

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Not lie, but only keep our actions subtle to the media. It'd have to be the most carefully orchestrated movement ever, any slip up or misconception could mean the end for us. Anyone who supports or is in out movement would know our intentions.

Amazing read, get men among the ruins and fascism viewed from the right next.

I have read random bits and pieces.

Ride the tiger is the third book to his main works.

1. Revolt against the modern world
2. Men among ruins
3. Ride the tiger

He was pretty radical and reactionary. And not like lets go 50 years back reactionary, he was like 1000 years back reactionary.

Ah well yes of course, no doubt the evils of communism would be well taught. Demoralization of the soul, robbing the people of national sense, pride, and culture.

Is Revolt Against the Modern World any good? My friend lent me a copy and I haven't started reading it yet, want to know what to expect.

The state doesn't decide that, it regulates what kinds of products are made and the free market is still main factor in the economical system.

Mussolini's Fascism was the theoretical foundation of National Socialism, they were different systems, but not separate systems.

Ah yes thats the one I forgot somehow, thats a really great one too. Read it as soon as you can.

I'm sure you could live by classical ethics but with modern tech. and not regress too much

So which of the trilogy is best? most applicable and least idealistic

That is what fascism aims for, a perfect balance of traditionalism and modernism.

this sounds quite brilliant. It could work and I'd love to live long enough to be apart of a fascist movement in America. I actually do think there's enough (real or perceived) oppression, corruption, disdain for the two party system, and disdain for the amoralism that's taken over that it could actually work. As with hitler, it would only take 33% of the vote or less if there was another big political movement happening to take votes away from the big two.

There are way more traditionalist/fascist tumblr accounts than I thought.

Most of them are LARPing but others occasionally post nice pics or try to have a discussion

Mosley called for modern technology and knowledge to combine with classic thought.

Harnessing the power of the future while holding true to virtue and tradition.

Really they all are fantastic, if you could read any of them it'd be great

How do you choose the next leader after one dies in a fascist state? What if the next guy is bad?

Indeed, I doubt we'd be able to win first time trying but, who knows. If the conditions worsen (which they will) I could see it being a perfect environment where we'd be widely supported and accepted.

How good was Hitler and Mussolini for their economies? It sounds like Hitler raised the working week and lowered wages, and disbanded the unions and borrowed a lot of money. I'm not sure how Mussolini did.

>They would also have to pull a Trump and address the subjects no one wants to.
Literally the sole purpose of fascism is the only way to get fascism in the government? Got it.

>implying they won't call us fascists anyways

>So your plan is to lie to everybody?

Not even a Fascist, but it wouldn't be lying at all. In actuality, a Fascist economic model works better with Democracy than it does Authoritarianism.

Fascism breaks down the economy into a system that's remarkably similar to Democracy's three-branch political system of checks and balances.

The economic 'Legislative' branch is represented by corporations and business, who ultimately hold most of the economic power, however their powers are clearly defined, restricted, and are regulated by the economic 'Judicial' branch - the worker. The Arbitrator between the two is the government, which in a Fascist state ostensibly exists only to serve the nation and its people.

It's a shame Fascism went Authoritarian politically, because its economic model is breddy god-tier.

The topic of succession after the first leader is widely debated upon. I've seen arguments proposing either the current dictactor chooses someone to replace him, or some sort of electoral system being composed. If the leader is corrupt and gone out of interests for the state, it will be more than obvious to a well educated society. So either his advisors will force him to resign, or he will do it willingly out of shame or fear of being killed by his own people, as he is now guilty of treason.

What do you think is the most reasonable way to do succession? Would you consider a monarchy to be a type of fascism?

Hitler implemented a more socialistic stance, he essentially used corporatism yet with socialistic aspects. Mussolini used straight Corporatism.

Political Fascism as it's been practiced is at best damage control. A damn good form lf it, but not sustainable as a long-term government.

What you'd need to do to make it applicable post-OG Fuhrer is reform the government to one representative of the Magna Carta.

Whoever would next be chosen as Fuhrer/Fuhrerin would hold the ultimate say, but they would be restricted by a Fascist parliament that represented the interests of the varying perspectives on how to make the nation great again.

This keeps the Fuhrer from making questionable decisions like chimping out against everyone.

True, but if we were to do or day anything confirming Us as that, it'd be a huge blow.

What are your actual goals. Supporting "fascism" is cool and all but what is that exactly? If you could make three changes to the way the US is governed, what would they be?

I've had many ideas, I think generally some sort of electoral system composed of a couple candidates chosen by the leader, and another couple chosen by the advisors. And that all official members of the state party would be allowed to vote, I wouldn't want the potential candidates speak for what they will and want to do, but instead give speeches about why they believe in the state, and fascism. Stuff like that, I'd want the people to elect whoever they feel is the most dedicated and loving of the cause of fascism and the nation. And monarchy? Absolutely not, fascism does not rely on a "royalty" or families.

>How do you choose the next leader after one dies in a fascist state?
Most likely a council of representives will vote for one based on merit, skill, and loyalty to the people

>What of the next guy is bad?
He will be removed from power by the council just like Mussolini.

Italy was interesting.

Mussolini appointed a relatively liberal giy as a financial minister and under his guidance the economy grew like 25%.

There were 2 problems the fascists addressed about the economy.
1. It wasn't up to date.
2. Italy didn't have a lot of resources like the other nations.

They modernized the economy by reforming the tax system, got rid of worthless industry, and had a protectionist outlook on trade.

A area of high development was schools and urban infrastructure. Urban Development became comparable to most European cities and was seen as an amazing advancement.

A lot of public assitance was taken as disability insurance, maternity assistance, basic healthcare, unemployment benefits, and educations were seen as priorities.

Unions were allowed but were subservient to the state and it's needs. Non fascist unions were discouraged/banned and fascist unions cooperated.
Unions were quite autonomous and were only subject to intervention if it was necessary.

Much of industry was owned by the state and Italy was often compared to the Soviet Union because of this.

The economy itself was quite mixed such as allowing caoitalist style investors to work with industry and socialist style unions to represent workers and contracts.

The grest depression hit Italy pretty hard tho so from what I understand on paper the development doesn't look like much but for the average Italian it was needed.

>Literally the sole purpose of fascism is the only way to get fascism in the government? Got it.

It seems reasonable to me. The main areas of interest for fascism are quite close to the causes of the instability and problems of today's societies. Very few are willing to address those causes and much less to offer reasonable solutions, this because the mainstream political establishment and media imposed an ideological interpretation of reality that considers that the causes of those problems are in fact beneficial to those societies. Trump is one of the very few that didn't bend to that pressure, fascist would not accept it either; as it was the case with Trump, the fascist would receive popular support for it.

>Most likely a council of representatives will vote for one based on merit, skill, and loyalty to the people
How is the council chosen?

I'm curious you tripfagging fuck (no bully,) you seem genuine, but what's your target demographic for support, especially given Trump's election?

If you were planning a strategy that was predicated upon 8 years of Shillary (which includes the obvious consequences of the Jihad on white Americans, the catastrophic destruction of the family, the importing of tens of millions of foreigners, and PC culture and identity politics being state sponsored etc.) then youd obviously have a good-sized base of support if you played your cards right.

Thing is, Trump won. I understand fully why you would be skeptical of him (ties with Jews etc.), but if he delivers, (increasing white birthrates, redrawing immigration policy to favor whites, and scrapping shit like H1b,) where will you stand?

So the leader would have no more power than the president apart from choosing the next candidates? I'm not fully understanding. It sounds like we'd still have elections every 4 years with normal checks and balances.

Through syndicates (unions) that should've replaced the old parliament.

So like the head carpenter gets to vote for the next leader?

That'd most likely be avoided, the dictactor would have free reign. Fascism disdains corruption and fights to prevent it from leaking into the society, any leaders mind should be a stronghold against such thoughts and temptations. He should also know the punishment for going against the state, guilty of treason, punishable by death. If he has wronged the state, then the entirety of the state is against him.

>What are your actual goals.
To educate people on fascism and discuss it.

>Supporting "fascism" is cool and all but what is that exactly?
A political system that is based on a strong powerful government that works for the people. All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.
If an idea or action poses a threat to the people then it is dealt with accordingly. People are mentally militarized to all threats and are unified under a common good. Classes/people cooperste for the benefit of their community and nation.


>If you could make three changes to the way the US is governed, what would they be?

1. Ensure that all citizens have equal access to basic living standards and are given the chance to grow for the benefit of themselves and their people.

2. Slowly isolate America from unnecessary foreign affairs but remain alert incase we need to take action.

3. Removal of any politician found guilty of corruption. Being under the economic influence of lobbyists, foreign powers, etc is treason and should be dealt with as such.

See A minister of industry would be put in power through elections held by industrial workers and their representatives.
A minister of agriculture would be put in power through elections held by farmers and their representatives.

The leader/head of state would be voted in through these ministers.

Make ourselves true interventionists for one, not starting or getting involved in any unnecessary wars, unless said war threatens our borders. Two obviously perform an entire sweep of the US government, three most likely rid of the alphabet agencies that are now corrupt, either replace them with new ones or heavily change them up. Then most likely draft a new constitution for the nation. God knows we need it.

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why the goal of non interventionism? That hasnt historically been part of fascism that I know of.

Trump wont be president forever, either he goes through with his policies or we get jewed yet again. And if he does, even if he had an 8 year term, only a mere fraction of what would need to be done would've been accomplished. But, if he does go through, it will only benefit us. The seed will have been planted in the nation, if he does a good job the country will realize it, and will realize it needs to be continued, and that another Democrat president could undo everything he worked for. This is where we would come, finish the job and go above and beyond that.

Fascism usually varies from being isolationist to interventionist.

Your three goals sounded like something straight out of Bernie's playbook, no offense.

No, of course not. This would not be no Democratic electoral cycle, terms would most likely be 20 or so years. Although it just depends on the state, could go from actual term limits to whole life terms.

Fascism is a plague. Communism is inevitable.