I have to do a college presentation on the fall of Yugoslavia can any Balkan people give me their opinions on what...

I have to do a college presentation on the fall of Yugoslavia can any Balkan people give me their opinions on what happened and i'lll credit you in my oral presentation?

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After the war we mostly went to Spain to steal and shiet

Do your own homework you lazy faggot. Credit me

Turkish rape babies (except Slovenes) who were forced in to a commies wet dream country and after the colapse only Slovenia recovered. Now let the turkish tears flow

your college sucks

I did research but it would help to get actual slavs to comment. I live in the south we have no slavs.

A lot of us are also in Canada, forming our own segregated communities, and constantly reminding Canadians how our Balkan countries are so much better while currently in Canada.

It went something like this
>socialism
>shit economy
>nationalism
>slovenians wanted out
>croats wanted out
>war
>yugoslavia army (actually only serbia) gets btfo
>macedonia left peacefully because nobody cares
>bosnia was separated through the dayton agreement

Yugoslavia was a buffer state.

It worked because of foreign moneys.

Tito was a binding element, but he was literally a redneck.

Afterwards we went to a planned war so USA can get another state in NATO.

You don't ask balkanshits opinions, you simple rule them

Say anything you want in your presentation, no one will give a shit if you lie about this irrelevant shit hole anyway

The Balkan did what the Balkan always does

Pretty much the country was formed on the basis "don't talk about the past or you'll be sent to gulag". And the past was horrible (Jasenovac, etc.). Centuries of nationalism and religious hatred. All of that was swept under a rug and people were forced to play brotherhood under the threat of gulag. In 1980s the figure of power dies, the pile becomes too big.

Also, capitalism.

Most of the state institutions were serb majority (even in highly croat areas), people were getting silenced for their beliefs, serbs got power hungry(memorandum), we wanted a peaceful way out and then we hit war.

You'll get better answers on /his/

Also the Jews did it

what about before socialism, when it was just kingdom of yugoslavia?

It was a shithole, that's what happened.

I don't fund that to be true at all. The Balkans here in Vancouver are always very proud of where they came from, and very nationalistic, but they also are openly very positive about their homes here. They Fucking hate Trudeau but they love canada. Plus they all speak English, really makes you realize the chinks aren't even trying.

>foreign money comes in
>we live comfy lives and forget about past gruesome history
>foreign money stops coming in
>tensions rise, every state leader realize they can exploit nationalism for personal profit
>result is pretty fucked up war with war crimes and civilian casualties on all sides
>Meanwhile war was big businesses opportunity for criminals, tycoons and politicians, while those hardworking and educated people that could, left their countries.
>don't know about Croatia and Bosnia, but i think around 200k young people left Serbia from like 1991 to 2000.
>some countries collaborated with west and got off easier, some were stupid and are still paying the prize

There you go buddy.
In short, shit that we didn't settle long time ago surfaced up cause our living standard was going to shit and everyone was searching someone to blame. At the same time commie economy was going to utter shit

actually /thread

So a common thing you are all saying is the west which I guess means the US fucked you over. Is there truth to that or is that you guys blaming someone else? Not being condescending but lots of people like to blame a big bogeyman for their short comings.

Even worst shithole

The west stopped giving money, which was the right thing to do

In the 60s/70s a mass amount of people fucked off for work elsewhere like Germany and the UK, then went on to other places like Australia, America, Canada

30-20 years later X does Y and Z gets mad, everyone gets in an endless circle jerk and it all falls apart.
People abroad keep deep resentment about it, people "back home" dont care now

The further you get from "the old country" the more tension there is between the groups
For example, in Canada and Australia theres still people who identify with Serb/Croats and will fight eachother in the streets over the war.


p.s. never listen to a Brazilian /yugo/ poster, theyre all niggers and just try to incite flamewars

There are a lot of leaked documents about this. Yugoslav polititians were stupid and didn't play as US dictated.
There were some documents about CIA wanting to split Yu into smaller, more manageable states

Problem was, we weren't independent economically from west but we wanted to play the im free and independent game.If we were not idiots, we would start EU and Nato joining process, and start with privatizations and we would be fine, i doubt USA would mind us

Tito died, money stopped coming in, economy was shit cause of communism and we didn't know how to play along, and desu, not much could be done

>Yugoslavia was a buffer state.
Between what and what? You formed into the state on your own initiative with an idea to be more powerful and don't let some shitstans like Bulgaria, Romania or Austro-Hungray impose its will on you.
Then the commies took over and ruined everything.

They would have collapsed much earlier, but US gave them over $50,000,000,000 in economic and military aid (inflation-adjusted figure) in the 1950s alone and continued propping them up with aid until the USSR collapsed.

The reason for this is that they were socialist, but pursued in independent foreign policy to USSR.

It was in the interest of US to prevent socialist countries from forming a united front and keep as many of them as possible from becoming USSR puppet states.

This is generally totally ignored in discussions about Yugoslav economy and collapse, but US support was critical early on and remained important for them.

between the "west" and the "east" of europe

>The further you get from "the old country" the more tension there is between the groups
>For example, in Canada and Australia theres still people who identify with Serb/Croats and will fight eachother in the streets over the war.

This is pure bullshit.
The only occasion where they will fight are sport matches.

Yugoslav people abroad not only are friends, they stick together like family.

It was shitty and now it split into 6 even shittier states.

Serbs are greedy

And those Australian and Canadian immigrants you mention are decedents of ustashe and chetnik immigration that fled after WW2 ended. They were terrorists and idiots to begin with, they don't count.

This sums it up pretty nicely

this
Arkan's squad stole fridges and washing machines from Bosnian civilians

This is true.

My best friend is Serbian, I'm Albanian, his dad was in Yugoslav wars and we go fishing all the time.

Rakia helps too

behind every shitpost theres a Janez

whenever someone asks why jugoslavia failed i tell them this story:
a guy once posted a picture of čevepčiči on /b and wrote ''čevapčiči so zakon'' ( čevapčiči are the best). Somehow the tread turned into retarded yelling between serbs and croats about ustaši and other bullshit they still havent forgotten since ww2. So if we cant have a normal conversation on an anonymus shitposting board in 2017, how the fuck do you expect a country with these kinds of people in it to exist and work

Its was truly a market socialist paradise but when tito died it fell apart when he was no longer preaching brotherhood and unity.

I know, I was just meming. I have plenty of friends from Balkans myself. I just feel like they are a bit too nationalistic about the countries their parents fled. "Segregation" was definitely over the top though.

Janez gets it

I saw this in Sup Forums once. I asked for a MMA stream and someone gave me a link to the Serba Stream site and Croats started talking shit about how the stream was garbage just like all of Serbia and that derailed the thread into a argument about which country genocided more people.

Stop. Socialism made Yugoslavia a paradise.

yugoslavia is a poor shithole region inhabited by people who hate each other to the point where they see genocide as a perfectly fine way to treat their neighbours.

the only thing stoping them from killing each other right now is EU gibsmedats and international pressure plus younger yugos being a bit weary of that eternal conflict.

balkan threads are GOAT

Natioanlist tensions and money from the US and Soviet Union stopped pouring in, the debt was insane.

t. bernie sanders

It's funny how people from Balkan will fight on a Mongolian throat singing website but if they met irl that would be the most awkward moment in their lives

The problem is it wasn't a fucking Balkan thread but a MMA thread that they turned into a Balkan thread. Slavs are like Agent Smith from the matrix. One second you are enjoying a thread out of nowhere it shapeshifts into a cancerous slav shit tossing thread.

DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYONE IN THIS THREAD BUT ME part 1/2

>after WW2 and the victory of the commies, the entire state became bait in the form of nonaligned movement starter so leftie third world countries don't go with the soviets
>The government was Slovene and Croat and not very Serbian, even though Serbs made the plurality
>borders were also deliberately botched and just copy pasted turkroach borders
>after the ussr fell apart Yugoslavia outlived it's usefulness, agitators were sent in and everyone sperged out
>after tito dies, a council is called to choose future of the nation
>either more centralization, or even looser country
>centralization is chosen
>croats and slovenes autistically screech that very moment
>scared that serb plurality would basically mean they would form a giant voting block and do whatever they want (top kek)
>the states had constitutional right to leave so no biggie tho
>Slovenia, instead of leaving properly, chimps out and starts attacking yugoslav soldiers, later they get gibs from w*stern nations but nobody gives a shit so they leave
>croatia leaves
>serbs lived in a big part of the Croat SR, and got pissed it wasn't even a vote, chimp out, declare independence from Croatia
>croats stage a counter chimp-out, IMMEDIATELY get gibs from w*stern nations
>during years of commie rule the usually militaristic serbs got cowardish and unarmed, escape before the croat "army", spooked they might try shit (they would, it was directly ordered from the satanical cities of Washington and London, i hope they are nuked tenfold and salted perpetually forever)
>mobilization called
>the effect was global, mobilization answered by only 2%, all the fighting is done by volunteer "armies" that are just looting squads
>kebabic leaders in bosnia start getting ideas
>declare independence also
>ohyoudidn't.wmv
>big mistake, serbs make up almost half of Bosnia, they in turn declare independence from bosnia

this guy gets it

And Salvador Allende almost made yours bretty great.

kek here we go

>w-we're the real victims
every time

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das rite

CHOOSE YOUR FIGHTER CLASS HERE LADS

Write up two paragraphs about Yugoslavia, then dedicate the rest of your paper to the sheer determination and resolve of the Slovene peoples - descendants of Julius Caesar himself, the Wall of the West through which no turkic assailant broke through, potential Holy Roman Emperors (point out the uncatholic and immoral behaviour of the eternal Hungarian here), and staunch advocates of Liberty, Democracy and Justice for all peoples (a medieval slovene lordship initiation ritual, whereby the American Constitution was written).

Yea but ultimately if you invest all the federal money into giving people free shit, then your industry stagnates and it becomes less competitive. That's what happened to all socialist countries. The reason why socialism works in scandinavia is because they invest into industry heavily to develop it, and than they tax it heavily to give people social security.

Cant wait part 2

top kek

Show this pic

/thread

Yugoslavia was market socialist so there was plenty of competition. Scandinavia is social democratic not socialist.

>ten day meme war
Calling it war is stupid,our tanks just pushed cars,trees and other trash that you left,also we just left you so shooting at the retreating soldiers isn't a ,,war''

Basicaly Serbs fucked up in 1920s when they didnt release Slovenia and Croatia, and made a Serbian ethno state.Commies took over, tried to kill of Nationalism in people, had only moderate succes in Serbia, none in other cultures, money run out, nationalist took over local goverments Serbs leaders stayed cucked and belived in Yugoslavia, went half in half out in wars, lost all of them, ethic cleasing by Croats, Slovenians stole all money like jews they are, Macedonia litteraly nobody cares about, Montenegro is one man playground (Richest politician in Europe Milo Djukanovic), Bosnia is little Yugoslavia that is keeped together by foregin powers, Kosovo is result of commies policy and trying to anex Albania by giving them land to populate (makes sense right?), Serbia is fucked due too mongoloid politicians from 1920s.

2/2

>croats are sorta mad too, they want to be a part of croatia and declare as well
>gratuitous violence follows
>kebabs almost btfo since croats and serbs want to make a deal
>w*stern autistic screeching follows
>force croats and kebabs to work together
>only then and with a lot of gibs do they manage to push back the serb "armies" that were also glorified looting squads
>can't fully beat them, stalemate, a peace is declared and bosnia is split along basically the frontline which looks dumb as shit and makes no sense
>Macedonia declares independence but nobody gives a fuck
>the final thing to do is to eliminate Kosovo from the equation due to resources there
>golly gee, it's majority albanian
>they find it better to be a part of serbia than albania that hoxha ruined
>notformuchlonger.jpg
>agitators sent in, mysteriously calls for independence appear
>Kosovo has no right to leave tho since just a autonomous province
>since the croat and slovene government's entire concern was muh serbs, they found that even this reduced serbia was still too strong
>Vojvodina and Kosovo made provinces, even though Vojvodina has no reason to be, Kosovo was ok tho
>Montenegro made a republic and made into an ethnicity
>now, the albos chimp out
>army sent in, no survivors
>w*st chimps out, bombs albanian refugees to give casus belli
>starts air campaign over stupid shit
>government forced to surrender
>Kosovo made into a direct american satellite state, it's now their holiest land and houses their big base
>all new states converted into puppets and shit governments installed to keep them shitty as possible (except slovenia since goodest goys and biggest cucks)

this is why i believe traitor states deserve nothing short of exterminatus, the only way to change my mind is to give us a fully habitable planet so we can leave this shithole of a planet and neighbors

god have mercy on your souls

Just show them pic related and you will have an A+

pretty good assessment tbqh

you must go to int exyu bread

>all that effort

it's already late, you should go to bed so you'll be fresh for a long school day tomorrow

We fought for peace not imperialistic conquest

Our independence was writ in ink, the hallmark of a true intellectual nation

ŽIVE NAJ VSI NARODI

There is a very thin line between love and genocide , at least as far as we are concerned

Serbian retardation reached it's climax in the early 90s.
/thread

never knew serbian war fiction stories were this good

>Yugoslavia was market socialist so there was plenty of competition
kek, everything was state regulated then with state monopolies everywhere. and private business was 90% politicians that diverted public money to their private enterprises.

Source? I heard that is was basically a bunch of coops competing on a market.

Dude you should have watched our Partisans vs Nazi films. Litteraly makes out like Partisans killed more germans then all of the allies combined.

Corps were state controled. Basicaly if you had more then 3 employes state controled it.

Endgame

youtube.com/watch?v=iLsOVm_ZTe8

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Didn't the workers vote somehow and have some power in the direction the company went.

the war was not good for any of us

AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

source is my mom. you can cite her.

If you have time then you can always watch this. There are six parts and it's pretty interesting.

youtu.be/M_PzsfXbyAw

that was the reason the country fell apart. they had a saying, "i can't be paid enough for how little i will work"

and people got lazy and everything went to shit

So the workers did vote on what to do and stuff?

i think so yea.

sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakon_o_udruženom_radu


Everycountry that lets this kind of socialism happen, is destroyed, because it wont work

Everything written in "common knowledge" and "Western" books is outright fabrication.

Yugocommunist historiography is utter falsehood.

If you want the whole picture, you have to dig deep, very deep. All the way back to 16th and 17th century.
Then Uniatisation, Grenze, Venetian 3 Acquistos and population exchange with still Ottoman Bosnia.
Followed by Illyrian movement, the language question of Croats and Serbs.

Then explore Starčević and especially Frank, Dalmatian New Course politics.

Throughout these periods, go over demography data and church records.

Once you are in late 19th century and early 20th, the all-catholic Congress conclusions, the Habsburg plans for cutting Serbia down since 1905 and the question of equalising religion and ethnicity all around in Balkans is prevalent.

Finally, you find yourself in second Yugoslav movement, spearhead by-until-then anti-Serb Pravaši party.
Integral Yugoslavs and Karađorđevićs were British and Freemason pawns, while UK started subversively acting in 1930s, supporting anarchists and communists, particularists.
Yugocommunists were opporutnistic Comintern scum initially, but grew into Anglo-American puppets, who completely armed and supplied them, and who identified Royal Yugoslavs as their Primary adversary, not the Axis invaders.

Etc etc. See? You are all out of depth.

Mostly yes. That's why everyone acted like CEO, they would go on a launch break at 10:30 and come back at 14:00 drunk and shitfaced.

Cool. Didn't it fail because of ethnic tensions though?

Why would they do that if their job depended on the company working well?

Because it didn't, Everyone was entitled, or more like obliged to work. Didn't matter how or what you do, you don't get fired. Maybe just sent to a worse location.

Hmmm. That seems to be quite a large flaw.

That's a good question. That's what lack of competition does. People just worked to get the job done. There was no incentive to improve the products or to work harder.

since you mentioned films, is Lepa sela lepo gore good?

>BBC
lol no

vlade divac happened.

Well theoretically if they owned the company then they could be paid more by making the company better.

yes, betty gud

Did the (you) got deleted?

yeah
thats one of main points coming from "we'll get communism right next time"people

>they owned the company
Collective ownership will never be desirable. Why would you bother working hard if everyone else who co-owns the company with you gets the same share of the profit for twiddling their thumbs? Hard work must be incentivised as much as possible if you want people to actually work hard. It's basic psychology.