Is Scandinavian Socialism the best form of Socialism that exists...

Is Scandinavian Socialism the best form of Socialism that exists? Many social nets as well as the best HDI and income per household.

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no

>96% of industry is privately owned
>socialism
I don't think you know what that word means

why

its socialist more then half their income goes to the government

Don't they give away nearly half of their earnings in taxes?

No

i literally just said that. In US we once used to give half our income to taxes but today we would have called it socialist.

stop saying no and tell me why you think its bad? have you been brainwashed or something?

>i literally just said that

I'd rather get an answer from a Scandinavian that knows what they're talking about.

No

you forgot the romanian flag

Does it not exist in Iceland and Finland?

We aren't socialist.
We're based around a market economy, and not a social planned economy. We do have strong safety nets for our weakest citizens, and while it's nice and all, all economic growth halted when we got these services, like free health care and such
That's the case for Denmark at least, but i think it's the same story for Sweden and Norway

Ah yes, that well-known Scandinavian socialist paradise

it's shit

but isnt it nice to have strong social programs instead of having bums on the streets and free education?

why why why can you give an example instead of just a word?

A Social Democracy doesn't equate to socialism. Also, add tons of illegal immigrants to those countries, and their welfare-state/safety-net will get destroyed easily.

In reality, a term that can be used for us instead of the false label of "Social Democracy", is conservative-liberal

Speaking for Denmark only in this case.

why did you reply to me then you retarded leaf

Paying 60% of your money just so your leaders can take it and buy nice stuff while you sit there in your shithole and can't even protect yourself and if you do, you get jailed.

this is what is the real deal up here. I don't know what to call it, but it is nothing good

We still have bums on the street, and a lot of people abusing our welfare
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Free education is also most certainly great, but once again, it's one of the factors that halts our economic growth as a country, and taxes half of every dane's income.

Are you serious? Nordistan is tomorrow.

the taxes are sky high, and shitskins from all over the world comes to claim our welfare that we built up, not them.

but you live in a better society. its alot safer there and overall theres more income to be spread

what halts economic growth? your overall HDI is alot more important then some rich 5%

accurate

Because I forgot to unlink your post.

You're also trying to imply there are any good forms of socialism.

im not talking about immigration thats your fault for letting them in but the social system works there doesn't it?

We do ok.

We still full tho

Pretty much nailed it.

Dude nobody gives a shit about their lives here anymore, alot of people are giving up on life and remain unemployed, ive lost friends to hard drugs and alot of people are to apathetic to improve, theres a hefty inheritance tax if someone dies.

Sweden YES!!!

we have aroud 50% taxes, but our ernings are so high that comperd too other countries our taxes aren't really that high

the Scandinavian countries especially Sweden were immensely successful and very rich before they implemented their socialist governments, after the industrial revolution Sweden rivaled the united states in economic growth. attributing economic, and societal success in Scandinavia to socialism takes a real fucking idiot. IMO, but WTFDIK

we imported niggers because we have no one that wants to change old people's diapers and clean our toilets. Every swede studies and educates themself to work in an office. Nobody wants to do the dirty work over here. When education is free, why the fuck would you study to become a plumber when you can study to become a lawyer or a doctor?

No. Socialism is terrible.

Remove welfare all im saying.

so your social systems are not to blame. you can just ban immigrants from using them so they have to work cleaning toilets instead of just doing nothing

I'm from Oslo, which is growing rapidly recently due to the city council of past years finally investing in entrepreneurship and tech. We are far from a tech or industry boom, but it feels like we are at least attempting to wean ourselves off oil money. If we can eliminate the social stigma of being successful then I think we will have a future, but that is much harder to instill than throwing money at startups.

Not everyone can become a lawyer or doctor. All people are different, there will always be people who're not good at studying but very good at hands-on stuff like becoming a mechanic or plumber.

The problem with "democratic socialism" is that it makes the low-iq population breed at a much higher rate than the high-iq population. Do that for several decades and you start to have a problem, especially if hordes of low iq muslims start to get in.

Until the 1960's we were pretty much NatSocLite. Not saying people were taught about the virtues of NatSoc in school or anything like that, but society was pretty much what NatSocs today long for.

But today it's an absolute disaster. I read an article today, I think it was either Sweden or UK, where white women had a birth-rate of about 2 or a little lower, while Somali burka-cows were at 3.9

"Why did I believe the Jewish lies
and cuck for all these non-whites..."

Please note that the US has higher HDI than Sweden, as of 2015.
This is despite being in debt for almost 20 trillion dollars, and having a lot of bums on the street, like you mentioned earlier.
Like i said, our social services halts growth, both because of alot more people living off welfare, instead of being in job, and social sevices generally being expensive in upkeep.

low IQ population breeds at a higher rate no matter what the system. (Even though IQ is perhaps the wrong word for it, low literacy, lower on the economic ladder etc)

Your mother is a whore. Fuck off

you cant attribute this to democratic socialism. your describing a phenomena that is happening around the entire world. smart people just dont have alot of kids while uneducated ones have many.

I think Norway needs to completely reform education around instilling purpose in what is otherwise a post need society, people are aimless because outside of athletics, janteloven dissuades notable success of any magnitude.

Not trying to fuck with you, but why please ?

>Please note that the US has higher HDI than Sweden, as of 2015.

not true

nice argument there idiot

In America, kids that can't afford college (usually niggers and spics), will be forced to do the dirty and shitty jobs or otherwise they will be on the street. That is good. It makes citizens fall in line in order to survive. Everyone here can study to become whatever the fuck they want, it's free after all. And if you somehow became homeless, you'll still get a roof under your head and food daily plus money, provided by the government. It creates lazy and stupid people.

I've never seen someone work to become a mechanic or a plumber. The wages are just so discouraging. When you pay 60% of your taxes and you already make shit pay, you're gonna have a bad time. I only met one guy that was gonna set up a kebab shop, and he was a turk.

>In America, kids that can't afford college (usually niggers and spics),

not true In America there are many scholarships for minorities and immigrants. what do white college people have? nothing

>we imported niggers because we have no one that wants to change old people's diapers and clean our toilets.
Nah, thats just what "they" say. Jävla 08r...
We have people that don't want to study its just that we don't have a whole lot of them.

cheers back fella.

>I've never seen someone work to become a mechanic or a plumber.

Interesting, in Norway Craftsmen make pretty decent wages, even with the influx of Polish workers.

>study to become a plumber
No one does that you fucking retard. You can become a plumber by choosing the plumber-"line" in videregående (high school) and then you're finished educated at the age of 18.

true, but this system accelerates the process. If there is too much taxation on high income individuals (which tend to have higher iq on average) and too many benefits for lower incomers, then what is likely to happen is that the rich are going to have less kids than they otherwise would and the poor are more likely to have kids than they would.

I'm pretty sure he's a NEET who knows nothing about how the world works, see my post here

Okay, you got me. As of 2014
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"it's so much safer there, so much better" oh so good! very good. you want to live like a princess

I reread his post, i thought it was an observation about Sweden, but i realize he's just implying craftsmen are lesser proffessions than doctors or lawyers.

Not everyone wants to be a fucking doctor or lawyer, plenty of satisfaction to be had and money to be made by being a Craftsman.

And it's really these entrepeneurships that stabilizes our economies. It should be our governments responsibility to encourage entrepeneurs to start up new companies, which in term will create new jobs, and as a result cause economic growth.

not really there have not been any studies done to prove what your saying. poor people have alot of kids in poverty less of them when they have some social net to sustain themselves

Well that's what I'm saying. Everyone here studies to become something else, I didn't even know we had a plumber line. If somebody tell me at age 15 that they wanted to become a plumber and go the plumber line I'd tell him he is a retard that limits himself to only one job. Hopefully robots and shiet can fix it tho

They are lesser proffessions in our society. They make less money and have to work harder for less privileges. They have a much higher risk harming themselves during work, and will probably fuck up their back before retirement. If you told a girl that you're a plumber, she'd be like wtf? But if you told her you're a doctor, obviously that will give you more respect. It's just how our society and the world is built up in the western world. Just imagine your daughter in the future telling you that she married a plumber or a mechanic. And then imagine her telling you she married a doctor, lawyer or a businessman. Which one would make you more happy, for her well being?

>Hopefully robots and shiet can fix it tho

I can't speak for the the other scandibro's but in Norway we have a huge amount of fuck you money that should be used in R&D to figure out post-oil economic solutions.

Denmark, Sweden and Finland are far better than Norway at creating original, succesful companies that make an impact internationally.

>what best form of socialism exists?
hmm

>limits himself to only one job
not even true
they can go study anything they want, they might have to take up 2 or 3 classes but that's nothing and done in 6 months

also they are fully educated and earning decent salary from the age of 18, and a few years after that, the average salary. with no debt (people choose to get "study"-loans in scandinavia, not to pay for studies, but living expenses).

what makes fertility rate decrease is education. What needs to be done is to make sure the poor have good education and that helps a lot. Plus, easy access to birth control (and contraceptives).

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It is true. What other jobs can you apply for with that education? Just imagine an employer looking at your resumé. Hmm what is this? You studied at the plumber line? Then why the fuck are you here you retard and not a plumber?

the main reason is that women are now expected to focus on careers as much as men.

we need to introduce study-points (meaning they'll be more easily accepted to uni) for every child a woman of European decent, or possibly even money grants.

and we need to stop giving the somali burka-cows even MORE welfare for every turd they birth. preferably just end welfare

yes this is true also i dont disagree whats your point

national socialism inevitably leads to war

We have around 20-30% taxes with the average being 24% you fucking asspie. Get a job before you talk shit, dumb teenage retard.

We have lots and lots of spare money from tolled bridges, which toll should've been removed 10 years ago. That money could easily be used for R&D, but nah. That money is used for fuck-if-i-know.
Probably paying our dumbass politicians

>national socialism inevitably leads to war
care to explain?

Like I said, they can do 6 months of easy school, and be able to study like everyone else.

>Then why the fuck are you here you retard and not a plumber?
no, it would go like this:
>ah, so you were a plumber for 5 years making a ton of dough while your friends were racking up debt, wise choice young man. and now you're looking to broaden your horizons. good, we need more hard working people like you.

>danish and swedes try to compare themselves to glorious norway

srry you wont get the oil no matter how much you beg or bootlick.

Plumbers in Norway make on average 500k NOK a year, state doctors make on average 600k, if the concern for your daughter is an economically stable home, it really does not matter.

My point is that there needs to be a great investment in education in these poor areas (plus, family planning). But welfare benefits (especially for children, or maternity leave) needs to be kept in check. The point is to estimulate the poor to avoid having children;

Netherlands is superior to Scandicucks (unless they cheat with oil shekels)

I dont live in Norway, I live in Sweden. Everyone knows norweigans make shit ton of cash, check how much a norweigan doctor makes and it's probably like 1000k NOK. Also you have to keep in mind everything is expensive as FUCK in Norway. Norweigans travel over the border to Sweden when they go grocery shopping because it's so expensive where they live. Really makes you think

The reason it worked is because they're small (Sweden for example is the size of California) homogenous nations with a strong sense of kinship. Now that distrust has been sewn by other tribes running amuck and taking advantage of the system, it's failing hard and fast.

>half of their earnings in taxes
And then the MVA moms worldwide cosmocrime hellscape begins

(taxed around 90% in the final calculation)

>travel the boarder to go grocery shopping

No. We go there to buy cigarettes and wine/spirits, much like swedes come to norway to buy stuff that's cheaper here.

>Best form of socialism

DEMOCRACY IS NON NEGOTIABLE,
COMMUNIST KEKOLD.
Now go back to your wife and her refugee boyfriend

national socialist says "we are the strongest and most superior of others. say why dont we take some land over there from those scum that dont work their land!" basically everywhere national socialism came there was war.

You are a pure autistic faggot. You have people who actually live in these fucking countries you're shilling about telling you that you're retarded and you refuse to listen. This is why I hate leftists.

Why is it turning c u c k o l d into kekold

On the plus side, I barely go to the store anymore because I subsist on alcohol, pasta, and the cheapest brand of coffee and I brew my own alcohol now

No you dont. You buy regular food too. Not a single swede travels to Norway to buy food. Nothing in Norway is cheaper than Sweden, stop lying.

You grab something cause it's there, but it's not like we go there just for the food, silly.

>libertariautism

ahhhahahahh

everything is expensive because as the value of a society rises people want to charge more for things. thats why pure capitalism is stupid

socialism is a cancer on economic productivity, as it rewards those that do not produce at the expense of those who produce

Your argument was that they were percieved as a "lower" profession, i'm telling you, in the case of Norway, that is wrong.
The craftsmen professions of norway have every economic opportunity to be as upper middle class as any other skilled line of work.

Not so fast

I think Brazil meant to say that the heavier the welfare state is, the less high-IQ people breed. Not that low-IQ people breed more. Also, with subsidized contraceptives, birth rates in general fall, but unintended pregnancies increase in absolute and relative terms, which creates more problems

>Work hard
>Study a long time
>Get good grades
>Land great job

Suddenly

>taxed up to 52% of income
>25% VAT on all products
>180% car tax (VAT not included)
>Forced leftwing-state TV tax

All our childhood we get told that we are the best countries on earth and never to question the state.

When someone brings up the fact that private healthcare and weapon carry works flawlessly in Switzerland SJWs meltdown and start yelling HITLER

I swear to god we have been brainwashed

>Only state schools exist (university too)

>Teachers educated by state

>Journalists educated by state

>All media ( ALL ) here get Money from state

Is this literally not a cryptocommunism

Burgers please liberate us

Yeah, everything.

Some of my best youth memories are going with friends to Sweden to buy cheap shit and fuck the locals (on weekends you mostly find females out partying, the males are home)

Americans and non-scandinavians are too self-centered to understand the concept of lifting your collective up as a group.

Don't even try understanding it. You'll just hurt your brains since you were raised to be self-centered and "me first" instead of reaching out and helping your fellow man.

>Ta degselv på tissen

>everything is expensive because as the value of a society rises people want to charge more for things. thats why pure capitalism is stupid

Yes, that's why showing a chart on how much norweigans make is stupid, since they have to pay more in their daily life than a swede or an american.

Just because it's much money in the states, doesn't make it much money in Norway. A janitor wage in Sweden or Norway would be considered upper class/rich in Kenya. But for swedes and norweigans it's shit tier.

>Americans and non-scandinavians are too self-centered to understand the concept of lifting your collective up as a group.


Lets see

I work hard all my youth and land a great job.

Other people party all their youth, never move a muscle, do drugs and do crime and get my tax Money as welfare

Fuck that shit