How fucked is public education in America right now?

How fucked is public education in America right now?

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>never attended public school
>sent her kids to public school
>worked in public schools

probably because public school fucking sucks

So far so good, lets see what she has planned

>tfw libs will say a convicted convict shouldn't be defined by their past

>then post shit like this

>Sage all faggot cuck threads.

This.

Maybe it was already fucked so he got someone from the outside to change the broken ass shit we have?

What kind of cuckoldry is this? If education is broken it's her job to fix it not pass the fucking buck

>>tfw libs will say a convicted convict shouldn't be defined by their past

Nobody says this you utter retard

>so he got someone from the outside to change the broken ass shit

She donated 200 million to conservative causes and her brother founded blackwater. That's how she got the position.

>Nobody says this you utter retard
Actually they do, they defend thugs constantly
>Getting this emotional
>Expecting people to take you seriously
Opinion discarded

How am i emotionally? Because i used the word retard? lol

>Actually they do, they defend thugs constantly

You don't have good reasoning skills. Say that even IF that were true for the majority of liberals ( it isn't ) does that mean that it's equally ok to hire a woman who has a shoddy background to a major position because liberals are against it? By your own value system that is stupid.

Public education was never good unless you grew up in an ultra-rich suburb, even then, property taxes are so high that your parents may as well sent you to private school.

For the rest of us public education has been:
- used as babysitting by lazy parents
- dumbed down for the lowest common denonminator
- stripped of any practical value unless your goal is to go straight to college (and even then you still lack basics)
- get used for liberal propaganda experiments

In Kansas we have stripped our education to bare bones and have a teacher shortage! But you will make less than a manager at McDonalds on your salary!

> Republican wet dream

I'm not saying she should get the job because liberals are against it. I'm saying hating her because she didn't go to public schools is the most retarded thing ever

You keep putting words in my mouth that were never said, do you CTR shills always argue like this?

How much worse can American education even get?

Supply and demand. Invest more in your child's education if you want to see them succeed. There are a ton of private after-school study groups dedicated to math and such where I live. I would not only have them in private school but also these groups

>You keep putting words in my mouth that were never said, do you CTR shills always argue like this?
The good shills quit after the election. We are only left with the rejects, and they argue like monkeys.

>implying Betsy DeVos is going to fix our education system

The corrupt teachers and unions are fucked. The kids are going to be much better off.

She has no qualifications whatsoever, not even a bachelor's. She bought her position through donations. This is not draining the swamp.

>s-shills

pls stop

>not only defending an (((education degree))), but requiring it
>not a shill
You don't even try to hide it. Pathetic. Tell me, why does one need a degree to teach the same material taught to them in high school? What the hell do they have to learn about for 4 years to "qualify" them to teach?

The correct answer is: nothing. An (((education degree))) is a tool used by teacher unions to "protect" the jobs of their members. They serve no actual function outside of disqualifying teachers before they even apply for the job. And you wonder why our education system is fucked? That is one of the 1,000 reasons.

If you were to tell me, to my face, that public schools are working as intended, I would laugh and spit in your face. That is how insulting this idea is to me, my family, and my community. The very people that have to suffer from such faulty education.

>does not have an education degree

Good. It's proof that she has not been brainwashed to be a Marxist slash egalitarian slash anti-White filthy liberal.

>This is not draining the swamp.
People seriously need to stop acting like this campaign slogan was anything other than Trump advocating for Term limits for Congressional seats. Nothing more. Of course he'd surround himself with his own swamp people that's what EVERY President does

no matter what happens, Trump supporters win gold in the mental gymnastics.

yesterday they were redefining 'drain the swamp' lol. wonder how they will delude themselves once they lose their health care?

You can't fix the American education system. You can only privatize and minimize the public school implosion.

source: guy who went through american education system

maybe not credible.

>lol
>leaf
Found the very obese Redditor.

>source: guy who went through american education system
>insult the poster by insulting his education
>poster's argument is that his country's education system is bad
>agreeing with the poster in an attempt to insult him
Arguing like a true leaf, I see. Ironic.

> Has a BA in Business Administration and Poly-Sci
Ok whatever, pretty generic

> Sits on the board for Foundation for Excellence in Education
There we go. What do they do exactly?

> Think tank that specializes in education reform;
> Competency based education (traditional ABCDF replaced with (You know 95% of what you should know as a 5th grader in math, etc.)
> Smart kids get fast tracked and challenged more
> Slower kids get extra help
> Cream rises to the top and ideally more knowledge shoved into all kids by age 18, increasing general workforce education.

How is this a bad thing exactly? It sounds like it's leaving more teaching up to the teachers and less federal mandated BS

Still don't know why its so hard for Redditors to adopt the language on Sup Forums. If he replaced "lol" with "lel" or "kek" he would have fit right in and not stuck out like a sore thumb. Though I never expect much from fucking leafs anyway

Somewhere in the negative levels of fucked.

Keep me posted

Read this shit, right now.

education degrees are worth fuck all. i had good teachers, had plenty of bad ones, I'm certain having an ed degree didn't make a difference for most of them.
>never worked in public school or attended one
so she never went to school? is that what's implied here? that private schools aren't worth anything? Because that's bullshit.

>muh anything with an R next to their name is a swamp

God damn it another fucking retarded post by a fucking Leaf. What in the actual fuck is going on in your country?

>How is this a bad thing exactly? It sounds like it's leaving more teaching up to the teachers and less federal mandated BS
The shitty education system is a bastion for Democrat voters, and an important tool in ensuring that they are relevant in future generations. They defend it so hard because it "working" is a large portion of the Democrat's political clout.

If DeVos gets in and goes with her plan and it works (which it will), this proves almost 40 years of Democratic thinking and administration efforts wrong. This is a serious blow to the credibility of the party.

>anti1PercentTeam copy.jpg
>mfw shills forgot to change the names on the images

Oh, so she's going to dump all the nigger kids into a pit somewhere? Because that's the only way she's going to fix public education.

>that pic

Super fucked, but because of niggers, not her.

>post a retarded opinion with a retarded injun

Not him, but while I don't think that public schools are the bee's knees, the idea that every parent has the time or resources to devote to private school alone is absurd and riddled with pratfalls. While expecting them to be involved is understandable, expecting them to pony up a couple thousand dollars for private school on top of taxes is ridiculous and it's like telling a cripple to run a marathon.

Also, people tend to forget that motivation on the kid's part has a large impact on success, no program or environment is going to change whether their modal students or miserable shitheads.

why didn't obummers secretary of education fix it? instead of teaming with michelle obambam to feed our kids rancid horsemeat and microwaved spinach, fuck you, you fucking concern trolling piece of shit.

Don't know what the go is in America but in Aus a teaching degrees is what you get when you can't get into what you actually want to study.

Besides you guys already spend more money per student then just about any other country so the problem isn't money.

Same with health care and social security you guys think they way to fix problems is to just throw more money at them.

Public schools are atheist brainwashing facilities and should all burn. -- Davos is dope as fuck

Make School Lunch Great Again

>speak our language in our secret club
>you're not allowed to say lol here! You have to say kek

You have paranoia.

Qualifications are important in a civilized society. Attending a university for four years at least tells me a person is somewhat competent and has some training on teaching kids. You want your doctor to have gone to school, as well as your engineer. Same with your teacher.

> And you wonder why our education system is fucked?

Defunding public schools is definitely not going to solve the problem. You have to be an utter fool to think this women has any expertise at all. What are her qualifications?

> I would laugh and spit in your face

Typical emotional conservative.

Trump has repeatedly said on the campaign trail that he wants to abolish or severely cut the department of education. Why is anybody surprised that he nominated an airhead with no experience to head the department?

> Attending a university for four years at least tells me a person is somewhat competent
dear god a high school diploma gets you that. You're defending it when you admit all it is is proving they know how to exhale?
A bachelors in a shitty degree just tells me you had the money to go to school. nothing else. You could do a education course in 1 year or 6 months and get better results. There's really not much you need to know.
>kids are rowdy, here's how to control the class
>here's how people learn stuff, teach this way
given the current state of people of education degrees it's already not doing anything for them so what the fuck?

Why does her brother finding a military contracting company say anything about her character?

You mean apart from lobbying for education reform since 2003?

>You have paranoia.
>demean and denounce
You are sticking very close to the shill playbook for someone who "is not a shill".
>Attending a university for four years at least tells me a person is somewhat competent and has some training on teaching kids.
Not a very good baiter, either. Are you good at anything? This is pathetic.

>How fucked is public education in America right now?
It is practically beyond repair, this person may be the one to fix it.

She believes in school choice and allowing charter schools to fill in where public schools have failed.

I work with public schools in Texas and can tell you that privatization has been a HUGE help in getting inner city kids some form of education beyond the government funded babysitter that the average public school teacher has become.

Leaf: We're almost as bad as niggers!

I wouldnt consider lobbying for education reform to equal experience in running an education system of any sort.

it is already fucked
whats the worst that could happen

I dont hate her, she's just not the best choice nor has the knowledge, and it's painfully obvious

>How fucked is public education in America right now?
It currently produces unemployable leftist drones that require some $40,000 and 4 extra years of education just to get a job outside of Walmart or McDonalds. America would be objectively better off without any public education at all.

public education is full of niggers and schools push these halfwits along to graduation because they get paid based on the graduation rate

The entire American education system has been pure shit for I don't know how many decades.

The future of American Education under DeVos

>she's just not the best choice nor has the knowledge
What knowledge do you think she needs to give every state the right handle its own educational concerns?

People who believe the American education system and dance to the tune of the teacher's lobbies have been in charge for a long time now and our schools have been going further and further downhill.

What we were doing clearly wasn't working and yet you oppose someone who thinks the system is broken?

I come from a family of doctors, lawyers who make upward of 300,000 a yr and am currently in university myself. I want educated people teaching my kids. You don't value education because you don't have any and the very idea is ' insulting' to your family because they are poor white trash like yourself.

there shouldn't even be a department of education on the federal level

>knows how school should work

actual teacher here. There's a lot you learn in college to teach high school middle school students. You learn about the percentage of actual information that is retained using teaching strategies vs regurgitating what is written on the board. literally everything you learn in college towards your teaching degree actually helps you teach students better,

burn the coal, pay the toll

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who the fuck wants someone who went to a public school doing anything important in goverment?
argie socialists tried to pass a law forcing politicians to send their kids to study at the ghetto
do you want a nigger handeling schools budget?

>never attended public school
>never sent her kids to public school
>never worked in public schools
>no education degree

Are these supposed to work against her?

shall i fetch the rope?

for real tho I think teachers should just be allowed to beat kids for shit like not putting an honest effort on their homework, flagrantly or repeatedly interrupting classes, starting fights, etc.

Also purge all funding to schools with any type of arts/sports programs and those that allow anyone other than retards (read: anyone speaking in ebonics) / non-native english speakers / small children to enroll in english or humanities classes.Make sure the minorities understand their only way out is through a GENUINE productive career, and that music and sports don't count.

So teachers can have one year degrees instead of four. That will certainly help.

The idea is that she has no idea what she's going to be making decisions for. She's just going to see sets of numbers and run it like a business, at the expense of fucking over rural areas where there isn't enough "customers" to have private schools, etc.

Plus we shouldn't be funding Christian schools, period. Religion doesn't belong in government.

I totally get what you mean, but if having an education is all that's required, why not have the teachers just get a degree in their specific subjects they'll teach?
While I do think there's benefit to teaching pedagogic principles, current research, and organizational methods to future teachers, wouldn't that better serve as a specialization instead of an entire major?
In my experience, the best teachers have been the ones who had either experience or education specifically in the field they teach, instead of just an overall "education" degree.

It's fucked right now, I don't think she could honestly make it any worse.

That might not be necessary.
We could probably poach some high school students to teach math and science.
Decent teachers, at least here, are rare.

I can't wait till Trump shuts down public schooling. I'll send my children to private school and laugh at the poor dindu's rotting in their little hellholes.

>She's just going to see sets of numbers and run it like a business, at the expense of fucking over rural areas where there isn't enough "customers" to have private schools, etc.

Well then fuck those areas I guess lol.

Why should the fuckin government even be running this shit to begin with? I can see some minimal involvement, but they run the whole thing.

>I come from a family of doctors, lawyers who make upward of 300,000 a yr and am currently in university myself.
Same here, and I don't want the person teaching my child to be selected because of their political leanings, which is how the system currently works. Do you even know what they teach people going for an "education degree"?

Also, wanna know how I KNOW you are the weak link of your family?
>having to rely on your family's achievements to give credit to yourself.
Every. Single. Time.

Because public school has fucking sucked for decades

We have too many teachers as is. You can just use video conferencing to have one teacher teach several hundred kids at once. Get rid of the shitty teachers and only retain the decent ones, and then station a teachers aid in each classroom to kick out the brats who get disruptive.

We'd save so much fucking money.

Because the government has a vested interest in an educated populace, considering everyone gets the right to vote, having uneducated hicks voting is bad for the country, as we're about to find out.

Also more educated populace = trend for higher paying jobs (not necessarily true for everyone, but the trend is there) = more taxes paid in.

The average higher up in a public school district does not have any degree or certification related to education, it's mostly psychologists and lawyers who haven't taught a class most of their lives.

If you're complaining about her, you need to complain about the public school system in general for having hired and promoted people like her.

t. Work in public school district

Right now?
SUPER FUCKED

After the next four years of anti-public school agenda?
Possibly less fucked.

At absolute worst she might crash the whole system with no survivors, which would still be better than the current system.

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It doesn't take 4 years to learn that, nor does any of that bullshit matter when the parents don't provide a stable home structure for the students.

Children WANT to learn. They are literally programmed to learn at those ages. You don't need all these fancy techniques to fix the schooling system, you just need to involve the parents in the discipline of their children. Until there is accountability in the system, and everything is not just dumped onto the teacher, there is no fixing this system.

Why should we allow the government to take over education when they have shown time and time again that they, as the public sector, are vastly inefficient at anything they do? Education is important, as you said, so why should the fucks in D.C. have any say in how my communities' children are raised?
>you aren't doing it right!
It isn't the government's job to tell the people how to live. Education is not special enough to be omitted from this rule.

>once they lose their health care
I actually had health care before the government stepped in. Now My premiums have tripled and my deductible is $6000. I don't make enough to pay for that much care.

You know it actually helped open my eyes by going to government school. When I was 7-12 most of my life was in a rich area and in the schools nothing happened. My friends had gold watches, new phones all when they were 9 or 10. Once I hit 13 and was put into secondary school, I chose one with business studies. The only school with business studies. Poor area, plenty of gang fights, murders, arson, you name it its probably happened there. It was also near Chinatown so prostitution happens as well. That helped me realize what most of the world was like then.

The American school system is fucked because cunty helicopter parents and overactive libtards have taken all the power away from the teachers and given it to the parents who have no goddamn idea what's best for their crotchfruit.

Teachers have to focus their time on dealing with dumb fuckheads who won't go anywhere in life instead of pushing and helping the students who might benefit from the education.

The best way to improve the school system would be to copy Germany's and have different paths for students who will end up in different professions. The academic kids go to higher education, the kids who have harder, more technical skills get to start their goddamn lives already and do apprenticeships.

>inb4 "it's too expensive"

Centralize the schools. Each town doesn't need it's own school. Combine school that are less than 45 minutes to an hour from each other.

Contract shit out. The fuck is it OK to contract out food production but not anything else?

Maybe stop fucking around in countries that don't want us there and mind our own shit for like, a couple of years. The world can't possibly fall to shit without the sweet test of American white guilt for a few years, can it?

Or fuck just send the fidgety ADD kids and "smart but not book smart" kids to trade schools that end earlier than almost 20 years old and get those fuckers into the workplace and making that sweet, stable trade money.

Oh look it's Juán Pablo Sandoval being a shitskin commiefornia faggot again.

I'm still in university as a biology major. Of course i won't be making that much money yet. It's not even about money. It's about qualifications. Basic standards.

>I don't want the person teaching my child to be selected because of their political leanings

Nobody does. Most college grads are liberal. Devos won't change this. She has no other solution than 'defund' which is what she was hired for. You have no solution but bitch and complain. Just set your children into a conservative private school and shut the fuck up.

Post more pictures of fish, please.

Kek I wouldn't want someone who attended or taught in your public education system to decide how to run anything tbqh senpai

public education is socialism. i'm a little pissed that trump hired a fucking woman to do a mans job like a feminist little cuckold bitch but if she gets rid of public education i'll say give her a thumbs up before sending her to the camps.

Thank GOD. The last thing we need in public education is another do-nothing administrator.

The only way to fix public education in America is to give up on trying to educate niggers.

The Supreme Court has ruled over and over again that tracking students like this is unconstitutional because "it's racist" and too many niggers end up in the slow track and not on the college track.

That's why public schools in the US aren't allowed to do that anymore and they have to put everyone on the college track.

Fuck Public schools.
They are ruined by...you know what; NIGGERs.

>actual teacher here
opinion discarded, you useless fuck.