How leaves view the healthcare system

>this is what leaves actually believe
Does she have a point, Sup Forums?
Why not just pay a little to help people who are sick in society even if you don't know them? Aren't you being a good person by doing so? What is so wrong with that?

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My employer handles all my healthcare, and if someone feels that strony they can donate to any family in need they want.

None of the people who believe these things actually pay taxes. They just want other people to pay to maintain their own sense of moral superiority.

they'r'e cucks.

They don't mind paying for Ashleys and Tyrones seventh mixed race baby. What do you expect?

>Does she have a point, Sup Forums?
No.

If my country was all white I'd be okay with it, but I'm not paying taxes for niggers or spics to get free gibs.

canada has 30 million mostly homogenous people who aren't obese or mostly elderly. that kind of system would not work in america.

>If my country was all white I'd be okay with it

Whites can be just as r-selected as any other race. Why would you encourage this by instituting systems that presume free resources?

Pointing out you already have the worst part of our system via medicare and medicaid.

>free
Because it's not free. There's no such thing as free healthcare until we literally have Star Trek level technology.
For every person who had a legitimate issue that needed to be paid for that they wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise, there's probably 5 fatfucks/smokers that my tax dollars are subsidizing. """"Free"""" healthcare in the US would be a disaster due to the sheer number of lardos here.

God helps those who help themselves you fucking retards

You pay a little tax to help others with free healthcare.

In return, they pay a little to help you when you need it.

Meh, leaf is ignorant in his post

The US Obamacare isn't "Free", it's private insurance.

Canada has province run insurance, there is no private healthcare insurance companies.

If you adopted our system, that would be fine. But you can't have the Government managing private companies for health insurance. It's a bad idea.

Canadian health care is the absolute fucking worst.

You want to see a doctor without an appointment? Get ready to sit in a waiting room with 30 coughing people for 1-2 hours. Show up at 8:00AM when the clinic opens? There is already a line at the locked door.

You see the doctor and it's some black guy from Africa, or some Brown guy from somewhere who can barely speak english. If you aren't dying they just send you off. You're sick and coughing? Okay come back in 4 days and we'll see if you're still sick.

Where does your tax money go? To build hospital up north for an indian reserve where people are all already living off your taxes. To pay for unionized nurses who make $90k a year (but are all immigrants).

It's shit. The worst. You pay for the cancer treatment of people who smoke cigarettes their whole lives and live off welfare never paying taxes. You pay for healthcare for obese people and all the problems they face. You pay for the hospital stay for some native woman who has never ever worked to have her 5th child (WITH Fetal Alcohol Syndrome).

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Hard working people who take care of their health and pay taxes are LAST IN LINE.

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I wouldn't have a problem with paying the extra tax if doctors and medicines were actually designed to heal and prevent further disease; however, the current function of most drugs/hospitals is to keep patients in for as long as possible to milk as much money out of them.

Sup Forums is all about national pride and popular unity until it costs them a single penny

> It's called taking care of your people
> It's called being a decent human being

What if that little boy dies waiting for a surgery date? Yea "Free" health care is great and all but still has gigantic problems.

This. Can confirm leafcare is a meme. I work for tax-free cash and I'm saving silver and gold so I can pop down to US for treatment if I ever need it and actually get help in a reasonable amount of time. So many spoiled faggots here who waste space and expect everything for free.

socialism = low productivity = sinking ship.

free market = high productivity= growing and dynamic healthcare system.

we need an entirely free market and tax free healthcare industry to get the best result.

>Why not just pay a little to help people who are sick in society even if you don't know them?
We used to do that, it was called Medicaid. Then the cucks decided to let it 60 million+ taconiggers along with uncountable shitskins from various third-world nations. The whole thing kind of falls apart after that.

>muh healthcare
>muh we third world bcuz sweden give free hc and we don't
>muh chillen

fuck off

you don't understand that this is not a moral decision but a financial one

implementing a system that will not last is fucking moronic

yes lets save timmy now and ignore the fact that the whole shit will collapse in 60 years and leave even more people without hc

goddamn, it's like you retards learned nothing from social security

Rich people in Canada pay for private healthcare because the public system is so fucking godawful. I went to a public clinic once and they had some fucking Nigerian ape-man there who could barely speak English and just gave me the prescription I asked for immediately without any other interaction.

Needless to say, I go to a private clinic where all the doctors are white and highly engaged with their patients.

...

any sort of healthcare entitlement can only work if it is like food stamps.

You basically get some money, like a healthcare debit card, and shop around for healthcare or perhaps health insurance.

in america there's absolutely no way to not make this a one way road where some people take gibs and others give.

>leaves
Nice american education you got there faggot

>DECENT FUCKING HUMAN BEING
>U FUCKING MYSOGONISTIC WHITE MALE

lol
hasn't kicked in yet

>own one-man business
>personal and business income is 100k
>personal and business taxes are 30k

Fuck taxes. What's the point of earning money if you're just giving a large chunk of it away?

FUCKING LEAVES DON'T FUCKING GET IT
THEY DON'T HAVE 30 MILLION SPICS AND 40 MILLION NIGGERS ALL BEING CRACK ADDICTED OVERWEIGHT WELFARE RIDING SHITS FUCKING EVERYTHING UP

Canada's healthcare system is in the fucked up state where it's socialized enough to break everything, but not enough to actually do anything good

Unless you're dying you'll still pay for any medical care you need because only surgeries and GP visits are actually covered by provincial insurance

>to get the best result.
Here's the problem with US health care: The "best result" isn't your health.

Holy shit and I thought waiting 3 weeks to see a GI was bad. (Also I don't need a referral from my doctor :))

i heard that an old woman needed a surgery on her leg for a year and canadian healthcare sucks so much they delayed it for a year at wich point the cancer spread so much they had to amputate both
some people in emergency situations are forced to wait up to 8 hours, im in south america and not even here people go through that

health care is a service, why should doctors who studied for years be required to render service to those who can't pay.

Refute this

Pro tip: you can't

Hipocrattic oath they have a duty to preserve life

I wouldn't. To qualify you have to actually have a job and an education with no criminal record.

But that's in my ideal social safety net world that also doesn't include racially inferior subhumans.

>some people in emergency situations are forced to wait up to 8 hours
This is because there are stupid hypochondriacs who go to the emergency room just because they have the sniffles. Triage nurses will make them wait all fucking day because they've got more important stuff to do.

>leaf shitposting

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>not once in this article is your massive amount of immigration mentioned as possibly affecting wait times
lel

Why don't people just learn to pay for their own shit in the first place then they wouldn't need public assistance? Nobody outside my immediate family has ever helped me with shit. I've had times in my life where having temporary food stamps or government housing available would have actually helped me, but I couldn't qualify for any of it because I'm white and both my parents went to college. I would have only been on it for a couple of months until I was able to earn more money, meanwhile nigs who don't even try to find work just get on gibs for life.

"""collectivist""" societies always just end up being huge one-way shit streams where the people who contribute basically nothing to the collective get a free ride while regular people have to bust their asses off to take care of themselves the way they would anyway, plus get taxed extra in order to drag a bunch of dead weight behind them. Meanwhile the ultra-rich everyone bitches about figure out ways to avoid paying taxes anyway. No matter how you look at it it's a bullshit system and it doesn't work.

Thinking that doesn't mean for people that pay commie scum. By your logic almost anything can be free. Food , medicine, transportation, afterall these all preserve life and your a good person right user? If you don't agree with me your evil

I wish more poor people in this country died.

What if they crossed their fingers behind their back?

You're fucking dumb.

Oaths are only meaningful if people intend to keep them.

>if they feel that strongly they can donate to someone in need
this. this completely destroys all of their arguments.

Hey brother... you know.. may i have....

>You pay for the cancer treatment of people who smoke cigarettes their whole lives and live off welfare never paying taxes

This is 100% true where I work, some of the patients with chronic disease are often welfare cases, they stay up until midnight going out to smoke every 15 minutes and stay in hospital for years.

I am sure you can say that while you are healthy. But i wonder if you would be so quick to say it when your credit is declined and the doctor just stands up and leaves you to die.
Oh yea i forgot burgers don't have the concept of honour. so what would you know about keeping oaths.

Also the boomers won't die and eat up most of the expenditures

So the system we had before had a lot of problems, but it was fine if you were a person with a job.

I'm not even against socialized medicine, it would be much simpler if everybody paid a little in.

But that's not what Obamacare is. Its an unholy combination of the worst of both worlds.

Like nigger how in the fuck can you increase my monthly payments by $100 for 3 fucking years, and then not give me any coverage after I lose my job because I have a savings account with money in it.

It gets better, if you don't have a job you are NOT ALLOWED to by a plan for yourself with your own fucking money.

That is so fucked up. How is this fine with people?

Are people so retarded as to belive anything is free ? Go get your fuckin head checked

Canada is a smaller country whose healthcare system is heavily reliant on low-cost generics derived from US R&D (often by revoking their patents in Canada).

It's not only a philosophical issue, it's an economic one. The US system simply doesn't work the same way (or even work at all).

But I don't want to be at the mercy of someone else's grace. I want guaranteed gibsmedats

No.
I've donated thousands of hours of my time as a volunteer fire medic. Encourage volunteerism, not mandatory donations to the gibsmedat programs.

could you explain this a little more please?

then you're not a good person, sorry:-/

>What is so wrong with that?
not a damn thing.
American taxpayers pay for medical care for the very poorest at the highest rates in the world. They get the most expensive form of health care (ER visit) in the most expensive nation of earth.
Major reform is needed to reduce costs, not reduce the number served.

Canacucks and eurocucks dont pay for r n d on meds

"good" is a liberal code word for "cuckold". Morality is nothing but cuckoldry in it's most inherant form.

I don't get it. Rich people can just go south for treatment and poor people would go bankrupt in a paid system so they can't complain about it either. I guess it's the delusional middle class that complains because they think they can actually afford an unexpected medical procedure.

I assume you mean the generics part, since that's the most technical.

Canada has a fairly high GFR (generic fill rate), where public healthcare prescriptions are filled by generics well over 50% of the time. In the last decade or so, this shaved over $10b annually off their healthcare costs (which, for a smaller population, is not negligible).

Canada, however, doesn't have that many mega-pharmaceutical corporations, and the ones that it does have pretty much only make generics. The actual drug development is typically by US firms (or Teva) that then patent and sell their drugs in Canada. It's generally at a lower price than in the US to begin with.

However, since around 2010, Canada has used a legal interpretation of patent law to retroactively revoke granted patents. Specifically, the interpretation relies on arguing that the drugs shouldn't have been patented because they couldn't prove their "utility" at the time of filing (as drugs are patented during trials, obviously long-term human results are impossible, just projected). This has allowed Canada to produce generics on dozens of US drugs that otherwise would have been brand-name sales, saving costs.

It's not the only reason Canadian healthcare is cheaper (brand-names are cheaper there too), but their ability to leverage generics doesn't hurt.

I was more interested in what I presume to be the Canadian government revoking pharma patents in Canada or whatever

Does that not make god a cuck then as he tells many of his followers(many who are on Sup Forums now) what morals they follow?

wew

I'm really interested in this, gonna read more about it. Do you know of any articles that go into this a bit more?

Um, to have a decent society where your business isn't being threatened by random dying hobos on the street? (Not to mention having a street...)

Source if you want to read more: look up Canada's "promise doctrine". The most recent case I recall was with Eli Lilly suing Canada via NAFTA Chapter 11, but there's at least a dozen other cases as well as a US Congressional appeal to USTR to put Canada on the IP Priority Watch list (ie: China-tier douchebag) for it.

>hey guys, who cares about the principle of the matter?!
>who cares about a government-owned monopoly on your internal organs?!
>think of muh children

Charity mandated by the government isn't really charity, any more than a man robbing you at gunpoint is. It doesn't matter if the robber was starving and needed money for food, he still put a gun in your face and took your hard earned money by force.

If she cares so much she should be working to make health care affordable enough that insurance isn't mandatory, and free up that tax money so people can voluntarily give to deserving charities rather than being forced to pay millions for every retarded chain-smoker who needs constant medical care because of their own poor life choices.

Alrighty thanks

>I wonder if you would be so quick to say it when your credit is declined and the doctor just stands up and leaves you to die

In every Western country (including the US) they get paid or funded by the state.

>Leafs always conveniently forgeting to mention the 10 others who died waiting

Sure man sure, you would be begging for your life. Tis pointless to argue with a fool so i will stop.

It's also worth adding that no other country on earth saddles doctors with as much education debt as the US.

You ever been to these socialist societies you hate so much? The US isn't one, go visit any other Western country and see how it isn't actually awful. Then see how much you like your own. Yeah, I'm sure keeping people in poverty is the best solution to a better society.

No, she has no point. Because she's not arguing from the position of "you should give to the needy", she is arguing from the point of "you should be forced to give money to the government the sake of causes I use for virtue signaling".

Nothing wrong with that in my view, if there are some controls on who gets the benefit of those tax contributions. I'll pay for my countrymen to receive some healthcare, but I won't pay for the world to do the same.

>The US isn't one, go visit any other Western country and see how it isn't actually awful.
like canada where I'd die before seeing a specialist?

no thanks.

>Does she have a point, Sup Forums?
>Why not just pay a little to help people who are sick in society even if you don't know them? Aren't you being a good person by doing so? What is so wrong with that?

It is inertia from the old days when Canada was 95% White and Canadian. Back then, socialized healthcare really was taking care of Canadians. Now, there is no such thing as Canada anymore.

Iiving in Mississauga now, I don't believe that socialized healthcare is taking care of my people.

>He thinks the money is paying for streets and hobos
Cute. It's actually paying for Tyrone's rape baby and Abdullah the Somali immigrant.

You're free to visit the US, Canada doesn't exist in an isolated bubble.

Sure, but that's only a small percentage of it and any system has a small degree of abuse, the rest actually does benefit decent people and helps them in a crisis.

Canacucks need to pay , so do eurocucks and ausfalia , china , etc. We should stop all research going to these failures .

Poor people don't deserve free medical care. If they die, so be it.

You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

We don't have a historical negro population

Concept of honour , you brits have never , once in your history , be honorable. You don't know what the word means .

You can't order a pharmaceutical firm to stop making money (although most of that money is kept abroad due to US corporate taxes and not repatriated for investment. Hence why you see attempted inversions like Pfizer). Many of these countries also pass different IP laws that are less charitable towards pharma companies, so enforcing prices wouldn't fly vs aggressive government monopsonies.

I don't have a good solution here user, save that US drug pricing is a retarded shitshow. I'd argue for lower corporate taxes/lower repatriation taxes to bring foreign profits home, while aggressive negotiation brings down the domestic prices in turn.

as a canadian, i have to agree entirely with OP picture. I don't understand how you wouldn't want that. Mind you I just got back from Florida and there are a LOT of really stupid people in the US that i'm sure would abuse it beyond what happens here. It does get abused to a certain degree here, but not nearly to the extent but it's quite miniscalar. also, might i add, I have family members that work as registered nurses at a local hospital (ER)

Look at your history and show me when you have ever been honorable.

She's totally ignorant of how the systems work, and she can only default to the emotional argument. She's too dumb to see that the real problem is that the health industrial complex has captured the system. The problem has absolutely nothing to do with having "free healthcare" or not.

The only reason you could disagree with free healthcare is if you didn't live in a country with free healthcare, and that is the truth.

When my dad had cancer I was happy that he was able to have surgery for free. Even tho he still died.

I'm Indian and most of my family moved to Canada for free benefits. I think I should be smart and do the same thing.

You steal knowledge we invent . Fuck off.

It's propping up healthcare prices by introducing a floor beyond which it's unnecessary to compete.
It's also a ponzi scheme for the elderly, just like collective retirement funds.
And just like retirement funds, (((they'll))) be importing illiterate and unemployable migrants as their 'solution to the problem'.

The only thing that should be collective is the military. Let the rest be done on the local level, and free up the market for competition.

>I'm Canadian and....
Ya I stopped right there.

Meet me at the timmies on Mavis and 401 so I can fuck you up. Then let's grab a coffee bud

>the streets in Canada are colder, be warned
>but you're not allowed off the reservation, behave yourself

Apply the appropriate.

>>but you're not allowed off the reservation, behave yourself

I'm not Native American, I'm Indian, you know, India?

If everyone worked and paid equal taxes it would be fine. We have too many people taking advantage of the generosity.

Single mothers taking their kids to the emergency room at first sign of a sniffle... I pay for that shit and am not happy about it.

Betting this woman is a stay at home mom who does nothing to contribute to taxes paid.

"We may in council point towards a higher path, but we must not force any free creature to walk upon it. For that way is tyranny, which transfigures good and makes it seem hateful." Elrond, J.R.R Tolkien's Fellowship of the Ring.

Donating your own money to the needy is the right thing to do. Forcing people to donate at gunpoint is wrong.