Free Healthcare

Why aren't you a decent human being, Sup Forums?

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I'm morally opposed to the conscription of doctors being forced to work for free to provide healthcare.

Lol, taxes pay for them, silly.

No, that would be tax-payer funded healthcare, a form of socialism of which I'm also opposed to. I'm not sure you understand what free means.

The other day I saw a comparative chart of wait times and access to specialists. Does anyone still have that?

I don't have a problem with the government providing free healthcare to the poor.

But why do we need this retarded centrally planned system?

I would care for my people if "my people" didn't look like this and if they were able to care for me in return (which they can't since niggers don't pay taxes, they just take them)
t. Nazi

because theyve tried it before, and it rrsulted in poor treatment, as well as being treated like shit, and caused a lot of people to ditch healthcare in their country in favor of the US health system.

get fucking educated idealists.

Something like this?

> Americans literally think this

in muh socialism everything is free hurrdurr

It wasn't that one specifically but that will do!

Why do liberals always immediately start insulting people instead of actually debating them?

Because none of these people deserve healthcare. Elderly man = he's going to die soon anyway. Some little kid who needs heart surgery is either a 1 in a million freak of nature fuckup, or he has some genetic issue and his asshole parents decided to have kids anyway, because EVERYONE has the right to have kids, even if you have motherfucking Down's syndrome and are condeming your child to a life of suffering. I don't even want to go into the argument of how overpriced and shitty our healthcare is besides, and how Canadians come to America even for our shitty healthcare, I don't care, the idea that these people DESERVE healthcare just because they exist, is fucking absurd.

Yes it means that your fellow countryman will continue dying while your private doctors who make business out of it will keep making huge profits on you dickwads

Same drugs cost u tens of times more than they do here where the country buys in big bulks

Also; not a commie here, just dont mind paying for the healthcare of fellow countryman

Its like couple euros every month - compared to how much is food or cigs monthy very small amount

He's such a good person. On one hand he pays for the medical needs of the muslim, the african and the chink. On the other hand, he actively kills the natives of Canada by flooding the country with the ones mentioned above. It's some kind of 6D galactic leftist mind game.

because they have no argument. It's all "fucking" this and "fucking" that, and "AT LEAST I'M A DECENT HUMAN BEING"

My god, you can almost hear the dismayed 16 year old girl screaming that to her parents when they won't let her walk around at school with her tits out to protest rape culture.

>Free

Ye well if you pay extra i bet u get in line much faster than in us and probably still cheaper

Muh feels. Fuck I hate Canadians.

The Canadian healthcare system is a mess at pretty much every provincial level. It's bloated and inefficient. I don't know why people fawn over it all the time.

t. Leaf

FED SOROS NWO JEW SHIL THREAD

How does it feel making $18/h ?

fucking scum (((TRADER)))

Trump is for free healthcare.

This board doesn't know that, they just blindly worship him for his vulgarity.

How about everybody has some personal responsibility and gets a job to pay for insurance? If they don't have enough money for insurance, there's this system called "Medicaid".

Hitler supported a national system for healthcare. Only Jews believe in putting your fellow man on the streets homeless and poor.

The thing was in Hitler's Germany, everyone shared a common heritage and degenerates were purged.

I wouldn't mind some sort of national socialism if it actually went to taking care of my people. Unfortunately the same people who push for socialism also push for own borders and foreigners invading who aren't my people.

Close the borders, send them all back and build up national cohesion again and sure let's discuss some socialistic ideas if you want.

Until then fuck off Pablo.

muh $$$$

muh 18 dollars

(((TRADER)))

All punlic healthcares are, but at least there is a public healthcare lol
Also; private healthcare which most countries have for those who can afford, dont confuse apples and pears

>Poo

Making the healthy and wealthy pay for the poor and infirm disincentivises success, promotes dependency and parasitism, and is dysgenic

kys

Be me

Go to Mexico for V-k

Have my little women fall

Go to hospital my insurance doesn't cover it

Stay the night

Worry about the cost.

was fucking 300 dollar dollars.

Laugh.

I WANT MY HEALTH CARE OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE FUCKING GOV.

I am not confusing anything. I get that private healthcare can have problems. However, canada should move to a two tier healthcare system with basic stuff universal with an option for private insurance.

>Canadian
Stopped reading there. Why can't they stop ranting about USA.
>play CS
>a cancuck starts ranting about Trump

>go to school last year
>some fag promoting Bernie starts talking to me
>he's a cancuck
>rants about muh canada

>watch a hobby channel
>guy starts ranting about muh canada, Trump and USA

I developed a hatred to these people in the last few months.

Ya, you know why though?
> 8 year medical program
> all that debt
> moves to USA where ripping people off is taught in the education system along with how the dollar is sacred.

> chance of profession related suicide is decreased

Why do Canadians rant on Facebook about our lack of healthcare? If we don't want it; it's not your problem, cunt.

>cuck the post

>be a doctor in private practice
>taxes pay for your services
>increase my fees so my yearly salary is $800,000
>if government says 'no' they are forcing me to work beneath my stated labor value, hence slavery

Alternatively:
>government sets price on healthcare
>below market value so everyone can afford
>however, the best doctors choose other fields to work in

Stay the fuck out of my healthcare socialists REEEE

Does it ever occurs to leftards that not everyone wants to participate into their state sanctionned scams?

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free health care started 1883 years before Hitler was born

>Why aren't you a decent human being, Sup Forums?
We all are.
It seems only America and Somalia don't have a decent health system.

>paying taxes makes you a decent human being
That's the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard. I hope no-one here thinks this.

We have flags and IDs here, Pajeet.

I don't mind donating to a little kid who needs money for a medical procedure.

What i am opposed to is paying for Mama June's diabetes medicine because she drinks a 2 liter of soda a day.

Paying for Bradley Manning's sex change operation

Paying for Joe Bob's chemo because he smoked 3 packs of cigarettes a day.

Paying for LaQuanda's cholesterol meds because she eats off the dollar menu and weighs 400lbs.

Don't tell me how to spend my money that i bust my balls in a sweaty factory for, fucking leaf.

well is it free then or not?

taxes are just saving the money for you, so when something bad happens and you need medical care, you aren't wondering how your gonna pay next months rent

I encourage you to find a way to convince some of the most talented and hardworking professionals in the country to spend 4 years in uni, 4 in med school, and 3-5 in residency other than profit.

If you can't, please kill yourself.

>I want free shit
I am all for lowering the price of health insurance but if you can't afford health insurance you don't deserve health care. Die in the dumpster your life led you to.

Are you also opposed to policemen being forced to respond to emergency calls or firemen being enslaved to put out some fires? I know there are counter arguments to free (tax paid) healthcare, but your example is one of the worst ones.

You don't pay taxes do you?

Ya, you know why though?
> 8 year medical program
> all that debt
> moves to USA where ripping people off is taught in the education system along with how the dollar is sacred.

> chance of profession related suicide is decreased
Kel

> compares Somalia to USA
> mfw Detroit
(You) times (TWO)

free healthcare =/= forced health insurance

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Why do you feel the need to put a gun in my neck and take my money so you can feel like a decent human being? Just make the healthcare donations voluntary, all problems solved.

Don't tell me that isn't an option. It's only £35 a month to have full private cover here

No fuck. Irresponsible assholes don't have the right to take even more of my taxes (already pay 28-30%) because your mommy and daddy didn't teach you to be a grown up. Nature takes people for her own reasons.

wow your parents really did a number on you. you're very ignorant

Taxpayer-subsidized healthcare does work in some other countries, and could and would work in America if it weren't for some unique circumstances. America has a higher proportion of rent seekers than any European country that I can think of, basically individuals who will use the system at higher rates while at the same time not providing as much proportionally to it as people who use it less.

Additionally, Americans are ludicrously unhealthy, and a universal healthcare system would necessitate curtailments of freedoms which would make freedom-obsessed to the point of autistic Americans go ballistic, they really would rather have a more expensive and shittier healthcare system it seems like to me at this point than actually have their freedoms lessened in order to make them less obese and more healthy.

Police and firemen don't charge for their services, dick-for-brains. They also don't offer a choice of police to come to your house, all with highly varied backgrounds, specialties, and education which took decades to achieve.

>i dont care that I pay extra taxes

discarded

It's different in each province, but some totally outlaw private coverage. Which is stupid. I think Quebec has a two tier system, but most don't.

Darwinism is the enemy of the left because they know they are weak betas.

I am a 28 yo with a good job. I can afford health insurance. No reason I should have to pay for the dregs of society.

Right, because I need the government to tell me how to save/spend my money. How about this instead:
>don't get taxed more
>put money you saved on taxes in a nontaxed health savings account
>spend your health moneys as you see fit, no more, no less
Whoa hey that sounds like the Obamacare replacement plan! How about that?

Why don't all these crybaby celebrities put their money where their gigantic mouths are and just start paying for people's premiums if they are so philanthropic?

I agree in everything this guy said.

>Taking care if your people
Exactly. My people. Not latin americans. Not north africans and niggers. My people.

Until nature acts upon you, and your wife and kids pull at your heart strings to stay alive starting "go fund me" raisers for you, your church takes it upon themselves to collect donations for your treatments.

The nature of things is in human behaviour to look out for our own. Government healthcare helps everyone. Those not deeply embedded in societal culture as well.

>I don't mind paying for the road to my house
>I don't mind paying for ICE and the FBI but not the CIA
>I'm a fucking factory worker but you should pander to me as an individual while I decide what is worthy and what isn't
>did I mention I'm a factory worker and contribute very little overall?

It's like the right wing version of special snowflakes.

Ein volk, ein land, ein health service

We just need to GTKRWN

>get stabbed by a nigger
>now debted for years
wow you guys have it pretty hard

Provide them with a qt 3.14 bf/gf of their choosing as long as they stay enrolled in med school or employed in the medical profession.

There are so many methods of obtaining health care coverage in this country, it's insane.

If you are poor, you get Medicaid. Lots of doctors take that, and so it's just like top notch insurance.

Most employers offer health insurance these days.

If you are wealthy (6 figures plus) you can get your own health insurance.

If you are in the military, Tricare. If you WERE in the military, the VA.

And that's just Federal stuff. States and cities have their own free health care stuff too.

Everybody needs to fuck off already.

Police are paid to work by the taxpayer. They don't work for free either.

>free Healthcare
>pays for it

I don't understand

It only helps the poor that don't want to work or are to stupid to advance in society. Why do we want them around again?

>Canada
>Weaker military than several third world countries

Nobody who relies on us almost entirely for national defense gets to talk shit about us for not having "free healthcare"

You know we offered ppo w/hsa to our hourly employees. They decided to take the shitty HMO which cost more per month because muh copays.

They don't want to save shit for themselves and see no value in doing so. If you actually make a decent living for your family it's your MORAL OBLIGATION to them support everyone else's according to their logic.

>Darwinism
has been proven that it's not just survival of the fittest, it has to do with your neighbours and who you are around will get you by

Wow that is stupid. Sorry canuckbro.

As a german I am all for free health care. Even if its not really free as everyone has to pay, the cost is eventually going to decrease a lot with the overall health of the population increasing. Less sick people, means less infections, means less costs.
Also people being able to return to work instead having to be paid and cared for the rest of their life are much more useful to society. Also statuory health insurance do everything to reduce costs by prevention as their resources are limited and the only way too keep up the health standards is find out how to produce cheaper and economical medicine and healing methods and to prevent illnesses from happening in the first place i.e. by handing out vaccines.

In the end health is a social issue and should not be treated as a private one.

I havent been to the hospital in yeats and refuse to go unless im dieing at which point i will pay for it not really a arguement that i should be paying for someone elses bad choices

I am 26 years old, make $45k a year, have a wife and son. She stays at home raising our child and I work 9-5.

I have, on top of life insurance and car insurance, health insurance that needs to cover all three of us. My best opportunity is through work. I pay $250 a month for a $1200 deductible and coverage for my family. I am very lucky, because no one I know has coverage like that.

The ACA made my premiums go up to $380 a month and my deductible is now $2000. It also does not cover chronic conditions now.

When people talk about the importance of the ACA, or single payer, I think of working hard enough to support my family. And how these people tell me that my money needs to save all these other people. I don't give a shit about this kid in Alberta or some old fuck who wants to extend his life by 4 months. I make money for my family, not for these strangers. And paying for these strangers hurts my ability to take care of my family.

You can't lie to me and say that single payer systems take care of all three of us. I don't understand how by making something relatively free, thereby increasing demand, somehow healthcare costs and quality of care goes up.

You're right, I am a shitty human being, if your definition is someone who prioritized his family before strangers.

>i don't mind paying extra taxes
Good. You can donate your extra disposable income to charity or healthcare-charity if you want. Key sentence being "If you want".

You not minding paying extra taxes dosn't justify forcing others to do it.

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I'm not the neighbor of any free-loading niggers, still valid.

If I knew my tax dollars went to my peers and not niggers and spics, I wouldn't mind universal health care but...

You can't have social security and free health care at the same time.

The free healthcare supported by insurance is ultimatelly superior system.

But Obamacare was too expensive for people to afford. It must not be a system to blackmail and exploit people...

There is another necessary thing, that makes public health insurance system working :

state regulation of medical prices,

both doctor's work (task price), also pharamacy medicaments...

State (Ministry of HealthCare) publishes the price-list yearly, which is negotiated between state ministry, insurance companies and doctor unions.

This way it does not happen, that medical care would climb astronomical prices...

Of cause, there can be over-standard health-care for the rich, but it is not paid from public insurance.


In Obamacare, the insurance companies (as envoys of public interest) were not strong enough to negotiate fair prices of healthcare, and instead raised premiums, so that normal people could not afford it (or at least this I've heard)...

>less sick people
So instead of people actually dieing you struggle and spend so much to keep them going so they can reproduce and there you have it.

Exactly. What makes the people that can't afford health insurance worth my tax money? Especially when it is most likely some nigger or spic.

There are still billions of people in the third world that natalie-ann isn't providing with free health care.

She's a moral monster.

Fuck off Mohammed.

I can't help it when ice falls from the sky. They can help smoking, drinking soda, and eating like shit.

WE PAY TAXES BASED ON OUR HEALTH, NOT OUR EARNINGS

YOU WANT TO PAY FOR FREE HEALTHCARE

DOUBLE YOUR SALES TAX
DOUBLE YOUR PROPERTY TAXES
DOUBLE YOUR CORPORATE TAXES
DOUBLE YOUR INCOME TAXES

THERE IT'S PAID OFF

BUT YOU FUCKS DON'T DO THAT CAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO BE TAXED TO DEATH FOR FREE HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE

> as a German

Stopped reading there. Your country is literally holding the European economy together. I would suggest caution in asking for free government program at this stage my delicious schnitzel

But it doesn't help everyone, Leaf. It just takes even more from the makers and gives more gibs to the takers. This country used to thrive on the idea of individual freedoms and responsibilities. If you want to be taken care of it starts with you, and no one else.

All medical research that the world benefits from is a result of us. Your super "efficient" healthcare system has produced fuckall innovation.

>however, the best doctors choose other fields
Like the lucrative stamp collecting industry. They're doctors. And if they dont want to help people unless a ferrari is involved, theyre morally shit doctors anyway

American society is still on level of wild west.

> You can't have social security and free health care at the same time.

Yes you can.
But there must be state regulation of medical prices... (Otherwise, as much money you give to doctor, that much he can spend on healthcare, and the system becomes unbearable)

I just want to pay for myself and be left alone.

>Canadian doesn't know healthcare is a provincial level power
I'm not even surprised anymore.

Aren't Finns too busy ratting out their family members for SJW infractions?

What about paying for 600 lb fatasses and their diabetes and high blood pressure medications while they suck up welfare to buy more packs of soda and doible stuffed oreos? Until we take care our problems with freeloaders, fatties, and poverty rates, fuck no.