On the one hand - healthcare is something that should surely be an inalienable human right, if somebody on death's door was refused treatment because they didn't have the money for it that would be horrible. A national healthcare service leads to drug sales that aren't extortionate since a pharmaceutical company couldn't afford to not sell their drugs to an entire nation.
On the other hand - healthcare is never completely free, if the individual is not paying for it then the taxpayer has to, and this sort of deferred payment can lead to people misusing healthcare for minor or optional treatments and costing the taxpayer money they shouldn't need to pay. It could also lead to less need to improve the quality of services since the country is all paying for the service anyway, improvement is not necessarily required as it is in the free market.
James Carter
>human right
human rights are a myth
Landon Phillips
>Human rights are a spook*
Luis Martin
Human right may be the wrong word, Molyneux, but surely if a society wants to succeed it should be able to protect its citizens from mortal harm
Blake Jenkins
if you save someone on death's door, they might come out and sue you. not worth
Adam Brown
>Healthcare is something that should surely be an inalienable human right No >If somebody on death's door was refused treatment because they didn't have the money for it that would be horrible Everyone dies sometime.
Brayden Brooks
Why should healthcare be a human right? Healthcare is a service, not a thing. This service is the result of human labor. You are demanding other people labor in your service for free. This is slavery. Literally jew thinking
Aaron Rivera
The ER in America can literally not turn anyone away if they require aid. Next, the pharmaceutical companies make a narrow profit, especially on medicine for a disease that only a few people get. It would be unfair for tax payers to pay for other peoples medicine, especially if it's for a preventable disease that someone incurs (like you mentioned). American's don't feel like paying taxes for something they don't want. Hope that helps.
Dominic Murphy
Health-care ahouldn't be free, but there should be a nationalized health insurance system. In Germany we have multi-payer healthcare since 1883 (bill introduced by Bismarck) and it's working great until this day. The illegals will probably fuck it up but we had a good run.
Angel Adams
I feel like I need to say that in general I am opposed to socialised healthcare more than I support it, but I feel like in a society that is inherently uneven then a system that doesn't bankrupt patients is necessary. I'm not 100% familiar with America's healthcare but the prevailing ideas that come to our little island is that you need to fork out a lot for treatment ]But what if somebody who does want to be saved can't afford to be saved? How do you balance this? Is being killed by fume-high abbos a valid reason to accept that this was your time? This sounds right, and I support people like Shkreli who raise prices on drugs a lot except in life-threatening situations. I think that a private healthcare service with regulations on insurance companies is the way to go
Brayden Nguyen
jews are pro slavery? News to me.
Samuel Allen
>illegals
immigrants will fuck it up, not illegals
Liam Rivera
The thing is, with these insurence price rises, they are forced to raise medicine prices. Really it would be more profitable to not produce it anymore, but the people would then have no medicine. They would rather pay extra than die. This leads into, (why doesn't the government produce the medicine). Because they would fail at it and it is inefficient. Hit some socialistfags with this if they spew their ignorance.
Anthony Lee
EXCEPT IF IT'S THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
t. Sup Forums
Logan Diaz
Mercy indeed...
Colton Lopez
>can't comprehend the difference between human rights and legal rights
t.reddit
Jeremiah Harris
by illegals I meant illegal immigrants, I thought that was how you anglos abbreviated it
Eli Foster
you got it right, i meant legal immigrants will overload your system. not illegal ones, although they don't help either.
Kayden Wilson
>for free >implying the doctors arent paid for the care and the insurance company adequately compensated for their risk managment.
Possibly the most low energy post ive seen today
Cooper Nelson
Our system gets fucked by illegals, especially since you could technically legally move from an EU country to britain freely and get free taxpayer funded treatment
Bentley Rodriguez
but why? The legal ones have to insure themselves and pay while the """refugees""" inexplicably get all the services for free
Isaac Flores
But government healthcare isn't saving the young, it's prolonging the life of the elderly long after their quality of life has deteriorated. Why are we saving people so they can live another 10 years bed bound in a nursing home?
Matthew Morris
Literally have a better diet in the first place. Fucking hospitals are packed and there are no nurses holy shit can't take a day off without getting called to work every damn day because we have to open floors that we never fucking use.
Samuel Lee
The issue with public healthcare is that it's been here for a while. If you're bleeding out you can call paramedics and get stitched up without paying for anything. Yes you will be expected to pay later, but hospitals don't always get that back.
That's why prices are so high, the people who can afford it pay for people who can't.
And that's not going to change anytime soon. As much as I'd love to let people fend for themselves, there are a lot gray areas. What if you're a safe and resoonsible citizen and don't have healthcare but some asshole decides to stab you over $20? What if you don't have proof of healthcare in an emergency but are covered? And so on.
Kind of a catch-22.
Easton Sanders
Darwinism bitch
Julian White
>positive right
No, it's not inalienable. You can't force others to pay or perform for your benefit, regardless of whether your life is in danger or not.
The Constitution doesn't grant us the right to bear arms, it acknowledges they're a right to begin with and forces the government to acknowledge it. They're natural rights.
Justin Collins
because there lots of them, they are poor, and unhealthy. most of the systems resources will go to them. which will then incentivise more coming. until the whole system is to big to end and too expensive to continue.
Josiah Morgan
Darwinism is the protection of particular genetics, surely a gene that leads one to be protect similar members of its species would be something that should be preserved, no?
Carson Ortiz
No, if they cant survive by themselves or with their relatives their gene doesn't worth anything
Thomas Hill
Nobody has a "right" to anything this world. If someone doesn't have the money to get treated, hospitals should just dump that person back outside.
