You produce criminals when you spank children

You produce criminals when you spank children.

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>Using violence against people breeds violence
I really don't understand how people don't get this

Bullshit me and my 2 brothers were spanked, no, BEATEN, almost every day of our childhood by our father and they're both in prison now and I'm an autistic neet scared to leave the house because I fear people so much

I think instead of pushing against spanking children we should push for spanking of people with dementia. You know, even out the spanking distribution a bit.

Really caused me to form an argument.

Spanking is hot

I'm not a criminal tho

NANN

No, but you produce a distrust of sorts, or masochism. You get a parrot for a kid because he doesn't want to get spanked and just repeats whatever mantra and ways you pass to it.

You produce children when you spank criminals.

This. Now I get to live the dream playing video games all day and being anti social as fuck, a good use of my brain. Couldn't have done it without the physical and emotional beatings. Life is a wonderful thing.

Wouldn't your two brothers being in jail prove OP/Stefan's point?

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Kids who weren't spanked undoubtedly grow up to be more successful. Even if it does make them entitled spoiled pricks. They retain all their confidence and don't feel beneath others.

Kids who are spanked lose some confidence and feel worth less than other people. Makes them beta.

Do you want your kid to be a entitled spoiled Chad who is successful?

Or a well behaved beta male with no confidence?

Fake. My parents got slapped several times in their childhood (by their teachers,parents and from the local priest) and grown up perfectly normal and very polite.

>got the old clip around the ear as a naughty child
>only "crime" I've committed is speeding

hmmmm......

>anecdotes
Not an argument

I think this post also adds credence to the IQ lowering effect.

Sometimes the only way to convey the needed information is through violence, though.

No, it's not.

Yes, it is.

Burden is on you to provide an example

Being abused physically and emotionally by my stepdad made me a paranoid, violent sperg. I literally hollowed myself out until there was nothing left but hate and greed. I consume everything I can, I take whatever I want and I hurt anyone who dares tell me to stop. Feels really great. When niggers share "beat your kids" memes on Facebook, I genuinely smile. I love how many dumbass blacks I've fucked over, and I hope their broodmothers push out as many as possible.

this.

His hardcore stance on this I find quite retarded. (This is an opinion and not an argument)

My dad beat me sometimes, not too hard.

I have mom issues because I was homeschooled and given no freedom to have social interaction with people who i didn't consider stupid (they were kind of country-ish religous people so i didn't like them) my mom raised me with a Christian curriculum while my dad was at work, it was kind of a "mom runs the kids and the household" system, she hit me too but not too much.

I wanted to be a degenerate cool kid and that's what I did when I had the freedom, maybe to just be rebellious. But if I was a girl I would've become a whore for sure after I was able to move out maybe just to piss my parents off. Now I am thankful for not being put in public school but I still like my dad more than my mom and I do not believe forcing religious things into your children's schooling. My mom tried to get me to social interract but I didn't really want to, I did want to go to a public school like everybody else though and not be ostracized.

I wouldn't consider myself totally successful right now but I am a self sufficient "redpilled" conservitive Trump supporter (used to be Gary Johnson tier probably maybe even bernie) but i'm not a total idiot. The conservitism was probably from my dad who is pretty racist and conservitive/libertarian (he also voted Trump) and hes cool to me now.

Point being is that the physical damage isn't what does the damage, it's the control and powertripping. I couldn't imagine raising a daughter and trying to balance the power/freedom, because if you grip too tight they will rebel and turn into a whore.

Thats a little redpill for people who think running their homes like a military school will be just fine and dandy. Find a balance.

Using the threat of violence from the state in the form of outlawing child abuse reduces violence. Using the threat of violence from nuclear armament reduces violence.

Spanking turned you into a Jew?

Spanking? Hah, I got worse than that cause my pa had a hair trigfer temper. 4 kids none of us are criminals.
Some mental problems yes. I think kids can get a whopping if they really deserve one but not so frequently and over little shit.

>grown up perfectly normal
>is on Sup Forums

>threats and actions are exactly equivalent.
fuck off retard.

Or I'll kill you!

user, if you can't think up a scenario where a child needs a spanking then I don't think you've spent any time near children.

Holy fuck I should have checked my spelling.

>Using the threat of violence from the state in the form of outlawing child abuse reduces violence
There's nothing wrong with force used for self-defense (or defense of those that cannot defend themselves such as children).
It's not about the force, it's about initiation of force.

If you can't think of a method of punishing children that doesn't involve physical violence, then I don't think you've ever been a child.

> I'm an autistic neet scared to leave the house because I fear people so much

I wonder why

Not when it involves children!

no, you produce individuals that are aware there are consequences to misbehaving.

personal anecdote: i've spanked my kids when they were under 5. they now know what a certain tone of voice means, so when i say "wait for me to cross the road", they listen. everyday at school, i see parents yelling at their kids to not cross the road, and they do anyway, and then i see these poor excuses for parents run after them literally begging them to stop, and when they finally catch them the only concequence is "oooh that was really bad kevin". one of these days one of these kids will die from not getting spanked.

How do you know you don't actually produce sexually activated S&M children?

You produce criminals when you raise kids in a poverty ridden hellhole with an absent father and a mother that suffers in a violent society.

Violent societies are factories for sociopathic killing machines.

There is evidence of how sociopathic traits can be inherited and there is also evidence of how women under severe stress undergo epigenetic changes that allows them create sociopathic children.

Get a male sociopath impregnate a woman that suffers heavy stress and that is preprogrammed to give sociopathic offspring and you have a very high chance of the kids being born with sociopathic traits. Get the male to abandon the household (he is a sociopath) and raise the kid with an unstable mom in a violent social setting and you get someone that has no problem killing people from a very early age.

I think not getting hit is why I'm an autistic neet and my siblings are functioning adults with families and shit desu

That's where you're wrong, kiddo. Check'd.

This.

Data is NOT the plural of anecdote.

There are other methods. We are discussing Stefans retarded derp u can't speak kids. A spanking is not a beating. A propper spanking doesn't leave a mark. It is to show the child that a line has been crossed. This is important for society. And yes, society is important. It's why you have Sup Forums to shitpost on.

i was spanked maybe 3-5 times during my childhood, i've never been convicted of a crime (and never committed a serious crime beyond speeding smoking dudeweedlmao, etc) , and the spankings proved very effective at correcting my poor behavior. every spanking i received was a spanking i deserved. every marxist faggot i've ever met was never spanked as a child.

>There are other methods
Okay, so we're in agreement.
>A spanking is not a beating
How so? It's physical violence with an intent to cause pain. It's been shown to still have the psychological effects of beating.
>A propper spanking doesn't leave a mark
Not a physical mark, but it can leave a mental one.
>It is to show the child that a line has been crossed
Yes, the parent crossing the line of what qualifies as acceptable parenting.
>This is important for society
Good parenting is important. But spanking has been discredited over and over as being good parenting.

Just because some limp wrist faggot says it is does not make it so.
The fuck probably melded sats from people being beaten like a nigger and spanked.
Maybe if more frogs were spanked your country wouldn't be so full of cucks.

>Data is NOT the plural of anecdote.

No, I certainly am not. Good observation, Captain.

where's your data faguette ?

You wanna know the shitty thing?

That's sort of true.

The opposite is too.

If you want a chance to produce decent kids you gotta beat their asses when they need it, but you can't go too far either. You gotta walk a tightrope and never miss a step.

Most of us can't do that, and most of us can't keep it in our pants either, and the result is millenials.

I started out half-jew, the abuse just made me Satan-tier.

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Social standing is what produces criminals. Some rich kid isn't going to be a criminal if he is spanked compared to some low class poor kid who gets spanked.

The goal of kids who end up with kids is to improve on what your parents did. But there is no certainty to anything in this life. Especially kids.

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Your point you fucking chink Canuck?

Ummmm op not to Burst your bubble but...

You need to think about getting a gf before you can even pontificate on children.

A beating is using fists and feet to hit and kick, or using a weapon. A spanking is the use of your open and to the button. The correct way to do it is hit the button in such a way as to make a loud smack, with no pain. The sound scares the child.
The line crossed is the child not obeying the parent. The parent is the boss, they have to make sure you live and are capable of being a member of society.
I don't particularly care about the data, as half the time it's all bullshit and skewed. I remember when cigarettes were healthy and asbestos was in every building.

1. You're implying that everyone does it perfectly every time.
2. If the point is to scare the child, then that's likely causing psychological damage.

>I don't particularly care about the data, as half the time it's all bullshit and skewed.
So if anything it would make more sense to not spank since there are plenty of alternative punishments, and you don't know whether or not spanking is harmful, so you might as well use a different method.

*hand
*butt
This is what I get for phoneposting.

It's not hard to spank your child correctly, it's not my fault your parents were incompetent.
There comes a point where it's the only method. You can't keep running after your child after they run across the street because timeouts and taking toys away just doesn't get them to cut the shit.

Spanking helps in the short term but hurts in the long term. It's why so many people do it, because they run out of patience.

I said my parents are normal not me

No, it's because they don't want to see their child get ran the fuck over.
I don't understand what is so difficult about accepting that a spanking is in order at a certain point.
We can get into what that point is, but it's really up to the parent. Not the state, not you and not fucking Stefan Molyneux.

Man Sup Forums is fucked
>don't spank children
>rape is okay
You fucking autists are a huge problem in the world commie or nat socialist you would be sent to gulags or gassed
Faggots/10

>No, it's because they don't want to see their child get ran the fuck over.
Yes, so their parenting gets sloppy and they start spanking.

This is how it goes:
>Kid does something you don't like that does not constitute an act of force against you
>You initiate force against the kid
>This teaches the kid that it is acceptable to use violence to solve problems

oh look, another childless numale thinking he knows how to upbring children, how silly

You've never trained a dog or a horse have you.

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Dogs/horses aren't humans you dip
If you treat your child like an animal, of course they're going to grow up to be a little shit.

>look at my anecdotal evidence, this means that my observation is a universal truth that applies to all!

No, it works as
>kids fucks up
>get warning
>fucks up again
>get pain
>no fuckups anymore because it doesn't like pain

>This teaches the kid that it is acceptable to use violence to solve problems
not always but sometimes it is, how do you solve a nigger robbing your house or raping your wife? Well maybe you would just watch or try to talk him down, I would fucking shoot him on the spot = problem solved

One's an electrical engineer, the other is a geologist. Both have stable marriages. I am okay with this.

My Parents bashed my shit in when I was a child for many years, I still am a neet with no ambitions or friends, nothing changes.

Children are directed by instinct not by reason, at that age they literally ARE the animals you dumb nigger.

>Children are directed by instinct not by reason, at that age they literally ARE the animals you dumb nigger.
No, they aren't. No wonder you'd make a shit parent and resort to spanking.

Molyneux was molested by his rabbi. While his mom was in the corner playing with her giant hairy snatch.

This. Jesus christ, what is so hard to comprehend?

I have not said that

>how do you solve a nigger robbing your house or raping your wife
That is entirely different because THEY are committing an act of force against YOU, and you are using SELF DEFENSE to defend your person or property.
A child doing something stupid is not initiation of force.
You assaulting the child is.
If anything, spanking the child teaches them to NOT defend themselves.

>humans
>not animals
U wot m8?

>You'd make shit parent
>I have no kids and no idea how to upbring them but that makes me authority on judging parents

sure, I wouldn't be great, but I would upbring a person, you would upbring just another spoiled numale shit that would land you in jail on false rape charges when you don't buy it it's favorite toy you cuck

Strawman. You can punish children through means other than initiation of violence. You're comparing violent punishment to no punishment at all, to which there exists a third and better alternative.

Beating is monkey crap. The White man is evolved, he either is peaceful or goes for the kill.

1. You don't lay a hand over your children.

2. You shoot someone who robs your house or rapes your wife. Self-defence. Or, your wife can defend herself provided you are not a beta orbiter.

>strawman
>ad hominem

if you teach kids that violence solves problems don't be surprised when kids use violence to solve problems - Jay Leno (2004)

they're commiting act of force against your house or wife, not you
guess what will happen if you break the law? The police will initiate an act of force against you
guess who's the police in the house? YOU
If child does something stupid you don't instantly spank it, if it does constantly because it knows nothing but 'blahblah' will happen then you'll shrek his shit to make him think twice about 'nothing will happen'
But meh, why discuss family matters with childless fatty in basement, go make up some child violence memes on tumblr.

Evidently you're a narcissist, too.
The more you know, friend.

How fucking cucked is your brain that you keep defaulting to this Ministry of Truth speak. "Initiation of violence"? No, it's a corrective action for times that merit it. Spanking is not a first line of defense, it's for when a child is willfully ignoring you. You use it sparingly, it's just another tool in a parent's arsenal, like firm tone of voice, rewards, time in a corner, etc.

You seem to think if a parent spanks that is all they do. That is incredibly faulty logic.

Inspire me

I'm against spanking because I think it's humiliating but not against physical punishment.

While I'm no longer on speaking terms with my mother (Entirely my fault, can't blame her), she used to do all kinds of physical punishment and I turned ok and so did my friends.

I never resented her by it though, since punishment was delivered on the spot with whatever tool she had at her disposal.

And? Your entire argument is
>kid fucks up
>spank it
Which isn't how this works. It's an escalation.
Either you had horrible parents that beat, as opposed to spank, you or you're just so used to sniffing Stefans farts you think he's infallible.

>guess who's the police in the house? YOU
And in what way is a child "initiating the use of force", dumbass?

>You seem to think if a parent spanks that is all they do. That is incredibly faulty logic.
That's what we call a "strawman" hun.
If your argument boils down to "well I might have to spank if the child ignores other punishments". What if the child ignores the spankings? Do you just spank them harder?

Lack of discipline turns people into criminals.
Children copy their parents, if their parents seemingly act without reason or remorse, children will do it as well.

Hitting a child because you are too lazy to discipline it properly gives the impression that the person doing the spanking can break rules(like the rule that says: don't hit people) when they see fit.

So if you are going to spank your kids, you then have to do the responsible thing and reach them when violence is appropriate and when it isn't.

My house is my property and I am to defend it. My wife is not my property and thus she can be self sufficient. I would defend her too, maybe, because this is what a family is for: helping each other.

Who decides whether the child does something stupid, and who labels whether a deed is "stupid" or fine?

Children need to have a good and understanding relationship with their parents if you want them not to become degenerates, not to attend to LGBT, punk groups, hippy crap, ancom etc.

You need to be an example for the children, not only a figure of authority.

>Do you just spank them harder?
Yes. You can even break out a belt at that point. Not a lot of kids ignore spankings. I haven't known one to.

By damaging your property despite numerous explanation to not to? It doesn't understand shit costs money, it doesn't understand it does behave wrong because NOTHING wrong comes out of it, it's like telling it to not touch the hot stove, even if you tell it million times one day that little shit will do it and get burned so bad it'll never touch the hot stove again, and this is how spanking work. If it's ok it doesn't hurt, if it's not it will. My friend has a rich sister with little spoiled shit, two days ago that little shit broke his phone and when he had talk with him little shit just laughed in his face constantly, why? Because it already know he can't lay hand on him and his mommy will never ever spank him, he can be little shit and not behave all it wants because it fucking knows nothing bad will happen to it, it doesn't care that it costs money or other shit, it's not hurting HIM directly.

If they still don't listen, do you break their legs?