Who else on here is a poor young person?

Who else on here is a poor young person?

I work minimum wage and live in a house with a ton of other people.
I have very little future prospects and my town is crawling with homeless.

Trying to pull myself out of poverty is proving to be difficult.
It's like the system is designed to make us poor.

there are no jobs anymore it's crazy, as a yong person I have no future.

Yup. Underemployed and Overqualified. C'est la vie.
Expect no home ownership, retirement, pension or privacy for this generation.

It use to be really easy and now it isn't. You have to get a valuable skill. Since your on here you are probably a nerd self teach yourself computer shit, instead of smoking weed.

I'm poor but its quite clean how to fix it I just can't be fucked.

clean = clear.

fuck

yeah I don't expect to own a home ever in my life time.

Is it though? What about people who have the skills but still aren't being employed?

>well you should get experience then

But nowhere will employ me?

>Then get a menial job, we all start somewhere

But I'm overqualified

>You're not trying

Fuck off.

repeat ad nauseum.

Been like this for a year.

What skill do you actually have the degree isn't a skill. What result can you deliever to an employer?

They taught us wrong and everyone doesn't know what to do, but its obvious if you think about it.

Even with a valuable skill, getting meaningful employment is proving to be difficult. I bothered to go to trade school because I was always lower class/poor. My problem is that they always want people with more work experience. What am I supposed to do, intern? Volunteer? I already work a full time retail job to have some money.

have you tried finding any warehouse jobs?

we talk like slaves.

america used to be about starting a business and being a business own but now we talk about going into debt in a stressful school environment so we can work for pennies on the dollar for an employer.

My parents tell me stories of when a small business ownership was a viable career path unlike the 95% failure rate of today and about how a grocery store clerk made enough to buy a house and feed a family of four.

Don't get me wrong its shit. People are just scabs about employment as well.

What is your skill?

FUCK THAT, every warehouse I ever worked at made me work 12 hours shifts 5-6 days a week at night, I'm so sick of that shit man

Auto mechanic. I'm thinking my problem is that I live in an urban area, and there's just too much competition with the dealerships. I should move to the middle of nowhere, but then chances are people can just fix their own damn cars.

The research skills from an MA should be enough to get into any simple data churning role. Fuck me, most of the work these fuckwits are proposing for me to do are a piece of piss.

Write an article of 100 words about a charity? Fuck me mate, I can do that In 10 minutes, and you're giving me three days? What the fuck.

But to them I'm 'overqualified'.

I volunteer at a homeless charity five days a week as I'm unemployed. If working with smackheads and people who want to steal from you on a minute by minute basis isn't developing character I have no idea what will.

Most warehouse jobs in my area go through temp agencies and you pretty much wait for old fuck that won't retire to retire. Manufacturing industry and warehousing is a mess right now for the young generation. At least in Ohio.

man what skill are you talking about

machines do all the real work now days

all there is now is clerking and cash registering, token human jobs in a mostly machine factory, and other minimum wage shit.

either that or you lucked out and are a bureaucrat for a huge government or cooperation.

yep. poor as dirt. i came from a poor family, so took out student loans and went to university to study mathematics. got my degree and happened to get 3 years analytics experience (programming too) while finishing my undergrad, yet i cant find a job that pays above minimum wage.

i now work part-time as a researcher in data analysis for the same research group and i bus tables at a crappy bar/restaurant.

i apply to jobs all the time but never even hear back. im 27 and have literally nothing but debt to my name.

We are post labor. You just need to sit tight and wait for society to catch up.

oh and i make minimum wage at both jobs.

ahaha please give me cancer.

I've made a pact with myself. If my life isn't in a more positive state by the time I am 25 (3 months), I will throw myself off this building.

You don't seem to want to get out of your shit situation enough to join the military

drink bleach faggot

I'll be honest with you I have never met a wealthy mechanic.

I'm too dumb to even no the kinda jobs your talking about. Writing copy for products or some shit?

Think about it from the perspective of an employer. What makes them money? How are you going to make them money. Can you demonstrate this in anyway? That's what they are looking for. You play the game. You tell them you are ambitious, that you like to compete to be the most productive worker, blah blah. You sell yourself as the ideal drone and they hire you over the other 500.

we need to do something, obviously the system has failed us and the system is growing to become world wide

All the crying wimimum wage fags ITT could be electricians but went for the special snowflake education.

Also skills.
>Sales
>Solutions
>contextual to the business

Think like a jew and you will get it.

>implying everyone can join the military
There are all sorts of things that can disqualify you, particularly when there are no huge wars on.

My plan was to join the military.

It's just fucked up the elites have arranged it that unless you are killing other people to further their slavery system, you get nothing but constant menial labor.

My last hope hinges on that I can finish my compsci education, then I might hit middle class. If not, I'll be nigger-tier poor the rest of my life.

Getting electrocuted by the 457 visa retard who can't read your "don't turn on" sign. Seen that no thanks.

>rich white guy wants to help homeless white guy
>the nigger turns his head the other way
>"gotta have muh gibs", he says
Your pic really made me count my shekels.

I was in your position OP but i'm in school and have some promising prospects

If you're intelligent and you know it then go to school and succeed trust in your own ability, also you can get money to go to school since you're poor

Also best advice, go completely sober, use your sober and clear mind to do something creative with a hobby to keep yourself happy and motivated

Good luck

>Who else on here is a poor young person?

um

about 99% of us

World only needs so many electricians.

We are to the point where we require fewer than 8 hours a day from every person to provide all our needs AND wants.

DO EEET
Why not just live stream for Sup Forums?

>2017
>falling for the wage meme

Why don't you find contractual work online, invest in crypto currencies etc?

Why is a retard more employable than you are?
Reallly makes you think.

I make 45k a year and I'm broke! Insurance is like $400 a month for me.

You know the solution.

Because he works for nothing out at some mine (this was ages ago) he can't into electrician. The retard was a machine operator of some sort. I did get lit up some guy I knew did.

>World only needs so many electricians.
Everything around you either runs on or produced using electricity. Yes, even the memes.
So praise Kek by becoming an electrician.

Yeah you are overqualified then. Businesses aren't going to hire you if they know you're going to be actively searching for a better job... just to train you and pay you and have you leave.

Apply for jobs that you are qualified for?

I had an idea.

A society, government, or system, whatever word best conveys the meaning, where 3-4 years service in the military guarantees you a 4 acre plot of land and the focus of the society is on physical self sufficiency.

Government programs to teach you how to install wells and gardens and solar panels, that sort of thing.

WE can inject wealth back into society by making a society where the individual member is immune form the mechanization of the larger system surrounding him.

No the secret is to lie.

Care to elaborate?

Because, sadly, 70% of today's jobs either can be done by retards or outsourced to bumfucknowhere.

>The retard was a machine operator of some sort. I did get lit up some guy I knew did.
What the fuck did i just read?

Because the system desire s to dominate the stupid and feed off them as parasites.

I'm sure the elites would all be very happy if we all woke up retarded one day.

Didnt get lit up, some guy I knew did.

Money isnt wealth, those products are churned out regardless of fiat money. The individuals value to the system is to consume, thats it. Jobs as a necessity are a simple side effect of the system being less than perfect. Ideally people would be spending 100% of their time consuming with out need to earn anything, and spending money as fast as they could click buy.
This would turn the wheels of progress optimally.

hell, we could even build sky scrapers with modular units that were all self sufficient and provided their own electricity and food with auqa ponics.

do you have to be strong physically to start the whole welding thing? there's a lot online about how it's a good career.

problem is that i'm 5'9" and 125lbs with bitch wrists.

i wish i was strong and brave enough to be a police officer or firefighter, they do such a good job.

Who pays for it? Who is the tax base?
Military service isn't really that valuable unless it funds you economy through plunder like rome.

you'll be breathing in harmful chemicals and also the UV rays are a lot more persistent than you would think wearing just a mask

>We are to the point where we require fewer than 8 hours a day from every person to provide all our needs AND wants.
Define 'our'.

The civilized world.

I know money isn't wealth, I was saying the security and utility of self sufficient housing for all is wealth.

If an individuals only value is to consume and not produce, he has to find a way to live as a parasite, which only the privileged elite are allowed to do.

People have no way of producing now, they are forced to consume and serve, but cannot create, cannot grow food, cannot make shelters, cannot do anything.

our society allows servitude and consumption.

it does not allow for creation or production of wealth unless you are a major cooperation.


Your notion of progress is simply another word for optimization.

A few powerful people are optimizing the system for themselves by making us serve.

Do not forget we are all in competition with one another, not here to work together.

Military service is valuable because you can give them occupational specialties most which revolve around building self sufficient homes and educating people on maintaining them.

The wealth is that everyone is there own producer of goods.

WE could tax them for their electricity and make power itself the currency rather than fiat money.

Great, even more ambiguity!

The problem is that, as you identify, only a few are allowed to simply consume now. This is a social problem and not one to do with actual resource or labor requirements. The capitalist/consumerism solution is UBI.

People cannot consume indefinitely because consuming is not seen as valuable because it produces nothing of use.

you can't be paid to consume.

and the elites would never allow a universal basic income while their machines did all the work.

the self sufficiency and production entitles all men to adequate provisions and security of household.

Seems north korea tier. No real wealth in doing that. I could be wrong.

the social problem is the imbalance of power.

A consumer has no skills beyond that which feeds him.

take away the societies skills and turn them consumers and they have no leverage to justify their consumption in the eyes of the producers who hold all power by their means of the control of production.

If I was the man in charge of feeding humanity with my machines and they offered me nothing in exchange, I would turn off my machines and they would starve.

>become a engineer
>aka a construction worker
t. autist who thinks 10 years of education is worth 30k a year

No cause then they would come for you. You would sterilise them through your food and solve the problem in a generation

Some areas don't have much, like dying towns. Very few openings at all where I'm at, but at least managed to get summer jobs so I could avoid student debt. Granted, it was at a Popsicle factory, but $2500 towards college is still helpful.

When you say overqualified you surely don't mean any social studies degree, do you?

> The capitalist/consumerism solution is UBI.
No. The capitalist/consumerism solution is to drop you as dead weight and have an economy completely separate from yours that you get nothing from. Probably move to a different planet and leave you behind.

The reasoning behind military service justifying land ownership is that in reality all forms of private property are determined by those with force.

You own that simply because the court and police and military will enforce your claim.

Money, especially fiat money, is representative of the military power of the nation.

All society is predicated on the threat of violence.

By making all people members of the military it would insure that a division of power does not occur in the society, as it has with our division of wealth.

you can cite north korea but I would cite switzerland and their nation of citizen soldiers.

What is something of use? There are plenty of things people buy every day only because they want them, not because they need them or because they do anything particularaly meaningful, but simply on a whim, or because society has told them they want that thing. These are things of fabricated value, not real value. Though fabricated value is legitimate all the same.

>consuming is not seen as valuable because it produces nothing of use.

The consumption itself is of use, it turns the cycle. Money is like a vote, people buy things and that means more of humanities collective resources can be put into creating more/better versions of that thing. With out consumers the entire system grinds to a halt. With out consumers the machines wouldn't need to do any work, they could just be turned off. With out consumers there is no reason for anything in the entire universe to exist.

The elites status as owners of said machines is only meaningful if those machines are useful for something, and they are only useful if people are consuming what those machines create, therefore if consumers can not consume, the elite as just as screwed as everyone else.

So basically starship troopers

perhaps we will see that occurring in the future.

Labor requirements are a percentage, not absolute. Fewer people means fewer need until there is only one living person left, running the machines that provide everything for him.

UBI is the capitalist solution.

And often,people don't to be told they need something. See all the anime figures that get next to no advertising.
Often, an interest is enough.

I am 30 I own several properties. My mothly income far surpasses what most people get. I started with nothing. You have to take risks with the cash you can save and live like a monk the first years but its possible. to achieve great things.

I just think people spend money on too much shit like phones/food/vacation/cars/clothes instead of investing it in property and stocks.

>The consumption itself is of use
You're literally saying that the rich should give you money so that you could give it back to them because "it turns the cycle". Why should they not simply exclude you from the cycle?

Its my pet theory. Automation takes the jobs. Labor becomes worthless. Ownership of resources is the only currency. If you don't own shit they get rid of you via sterilisation. They might even give you UBI to make it seem cool.

Think elysium where all the cunts on the earth are gone in a generation. And the rich cunts on the space station inherit the earth.

>Labor requirements are a percentage, not absolute.
This sentence doesn't actually mean anything.

>Fewer people means fewer need
So what?

>until there is only one living person left, running the machines that provide everything for him.
If it really reaches a point where humans aren't needed for anything at all because literally everything is done by machines, then we can talk about redistributing the produced resources equally because everybody is equally useless. But not before.

>ID:caZhar+T
>khazar

Nice slide thread you kike, I noticed the same exact thread on the same page....something you're trying to hide?

Costumers can consume nothing if they cannot make any money and you cannot make money by consuming.

"Oh tank you! Giant Fatman! for eating what I have grown, for in doing so you have enlightened me that you prefer chips to ice cream!"

There is only value to the individual consumer in consumption, no value to the society, because you provide nothing to the other members, you simply drain their resources and labor.


By everyman producing what they themselves consume we can guarantee that everyone has what they need and an abundance of it.

produced goods*

>You're literally saying that the rich should give you money so that you could give it back to them because "it turns the cycle
Yes
>Why should they not simply exclude you from the cycle?
That would lead to human extinction, as i explained labor is a percentage of total population, not a fixed value, as technology advances we need less and less of it, until eventually, presumably, we would need none at all.
What then?

We can abandon the idea that we use capitalism to govern our resources. We can get rid of authority over resources being divided up and then people voting for what they get spent on by consuming, or we can go to some sort of weird socialist system where a computer somewhere just distributes everything for us. I tend to trust the idea of a market with people buying the things they feel they want and need rather than everything just being distributed.

There would still be a sort of limited earned currency, one of prestige or popularity. Humans would never organize themselves in a perfectly uniform social system, but it would not be one that involved work for resource management as we currently have.

Unemployed youngfag who has been NEET mode for the past 1.5 years here.

Next week I have a job interview and I have no idea how to conduct myself as I've never had a full-time job.

no I made multiple threads encase one of them got deleted quickly.

catch more fish with more rods.

First and foremost I wish you the best OP and I hope you rise up from the current situation.

Anywhere around the world the only type of preparation/professional training that can be considered cost effective these days are the so called "trades" or technical training: things like welder, technician of sorts, etc. College is fucking overkill and will drain you of your money for little to no return. This is all I can say.

UBI is not within human nature.

+research the company and prove interest beyond the money
+clean your profiles
+clean up (pressed clothes and the like)
+review terms and knowledge of your relevant skills

Just to name a few

This is just a reverse of the current advice. Too many uni fags get a trade. But ages ago there were no uni fags and it was good advice at one time. If everyone did it in 10 years welders make minimum wage.

If you have good scholarships and have a cheap local college near by, college can be a good option if you manage your resources well
(got near full ride on high grades)

>and you cannot make money by consuming.
There is nothing physically preventing this, only ideologically. You have discovered the problem.

>"Oh tank you! Giant Fatman! for eating what I have grown, for in doing so you have enlightened me that you prefer chips to ice cream!"
And thus mankinds collective chip technology progresses, as directed by the collective will.

>There is only value to the individual consumer in consumption, no value to the society,
Its the way society as a whole decides what mankind's resources get spent on, in this case chips!

Everyone being a tiny self sufficient microcosm is a terrible idea. More value is produced in larger markets.

>+research the company and prove interest beyond the money
check
>+clean your profiles
unsure what that means, they already looked over my cover letter and shit if that's what you mean
>+clean up (pressed clothes and the like)
shaving and getting a haircut prior
>+review terms and knowledge of your relevant skills
good idea

If we had a system where the group (military) enforced and built up the right and capability of the individual to own their own land and provide for themselves through self sufficiency, we would solve the problems of labor becoming obsolete in the face of automation, and we would justify the consumption and be able to provide for the consumption of a growing economy whose only value is diminishing rapidly.

and despite what that other user says, I don't see a future where"consumer" is a viable job profession.

Those who own the machines and do not need us any longer will simply find a way to exclude us and eliminate us form the system.

currently the globalist system has exported cities and their surveillance around the world, honestly we are being led like cows to slaughter.

>>+clean your profiles
He means when you google your name is there unprofessional shit turning up

Please Read OP or any other American. You need a product and you need one that has very low overhead and no start up cost.

You've worked the bottom, with no hope of being able to provide for yourself or your family, right? Would more socialism help? Allow me, "no, it wouldnt".

Get a Buffer, hand held battery operated. Check what polishing disk you need and the cleaning paste that has no water, and start a business by cleaning headlights of people's cars, you know the build up that makes older cars look older, offering people for $10 or $20 bucks you'll clean their headlights while they are at work, or just walk place to place offering a Service. Look as professional as your means will allow. Comb your hair. Offer your services to car lots, individual s, companies, Anyone! Keep going. Do one more car!

I promise you'll make more per hour cleaning headlights on cars than you'll ever make for someone else.

Do as many cars as possible, always do one more. Keep strong, then hire some other people to work for you and make you money.

Courtesy of one Capitalist to another.

Fake and gay.

Kill yourself already.

If one only consumes, he does not add value to society. Produce things people want and you'll get money

clean up things like your twitter and facebook. Employers will look at them after the interview and can kill your chances if they see you party too much.

>Ameripoors

just pull yourself up by your bootstraps KID, a little elbow grease eh?

Why are kikes so humorous?

And in your system machines will do all the work?

well guess what, they do all the work now and everyone our age is poor as hell.

The only way to implement your ideology is through universal basic income and the government will never do that because the first rule of society is to keep people working as all costs lest anarchy and mayham erupt.

they would rather see us poor and destitute than being paid to consume the things they produce.

This seems worse than the drunk I paid to paint my house number on the gutter.

i got nothing, not even feelings.