I'm a former black nationalist that now comes to Sup Forums having renounced Marxism. Ask me anything

I'm a former black nationalist that now comes to Sup Forums having renounced Marxism. Ask me anything.

>Inb4 WE

How many guns do you own?

Do you have any cute daughters that can get BROWNED by me?

What should we do about black on black crime?

What's up?

Are you Sheriff Clarkson Tier, or Sleepy Ben Tier?

WE

Are you going to post pic w/screencap, or are you a white guy just blackposting?

Who did you steal this computer off of?

can you read and write or is your probation officer typing for you?

Can you go back to black nationalism? As a white nationalist I don't disagree with you wanting your own country you can go make Africa great again

How did you reconcile any sort of nationalism with Marxism? Serious question.

When you go back home to Africa and stay there?

So how do you identify yourself politically now?

will you answer the questions on this thread?

WUZ

Do you have white people?

Do you live in detroit?

I've had a bit of a strange thought for a while concerning ethnostates, I think its only a matter of time before the US balkanizes along racial/ethnic lines, how would you feel about a black ethnostate were your people can fuck off to? And just stay out of our white ethnostate?

Where can I score some weed?

why would you thinking i'm gonna hand over ALL of my shit to you to be divided equally....go back to Acts in the Bible to understand why

Do you have any desire to return to your ancestral home?

USSR was nationalistic
Nationalism gives people a work incentive and a sense of continuity
Eventually however, nationalism has to be replaced by a 'community of humanity'

VINKANGZ

KANGZ

Why did you by into the Marx meme in the first place? Did you ever see what he had to say about blacks?

>doesn't answer a single question

What initially made you believe in Marxism and what made you eventually change your mind?

Good thread OP.

I used to be a commie too.

I grew up idolizing Europe and their socialist programs. I spent 10+ years studying Jewish mysticism and Kabbalah and occult, which led me on the path of Leftism.

I finally got red pilled, read the communist manifesto and realized I was tricked into being a commie. Finally started researching communism and marxism and all the times it failed in history. Started with china, then the Bolsheviks, then read up on several other instances of communism failing.

Feels good to wake up out of a bad ideology.

It sounds like you are a cool "black person" and not a WE WAZ KANGZ meme weapon.

Liberal Zionism and Marxism must fall, it's perfectly natural to reject it.

Here is your duties now, be a lawful citizen be a lawful citizen, work, buy guns, own property and reproduce. Teach your children that marxism is false.


MAGA.

Ever wish you were white?

Cut off international ties to it.
Get urban youth of of public schools and into home schools or private schools or seminaries.

That's one big step because a good one third of American families won't feel they're ready for such a leap. Then what?

Inept parents that havent the faintest idea of how to educate their kids are put in a scenario where they choose to apply to a class, supplied via the free market, that teaches how to raise a kid. Parents could choose to take a one night class teaching parents how to evaluate which private school is best for the kid. Or parents could purchase education at a class that teaches how parents could be home educators themselves. Whatever the parent chooses, the free market fixes it and public schools turn into something of the past.

>I finally got red pilled, read the communist manifesto and realized I was tricked into being a commie
It's funny, it was the manifesto that convinced me communism doesn't work as well.

>USSR was nationalistic
Not always, they only started pushing nationalism during WWII to inspire peoplw to fight

still a nigger and when it comes to thing you will always side with your race

doesn;t matter if you feel redpilled at the moment


kys negro subhuman low iq poor person

this is what we call projection

>black nationalist
>marxist
doesn't even make sense. Nationalism is the exact opposite of marxism

hang yourself from a tree dirty ape

non white, supports black ppl.

How did pol turn you into a coon. These lonely spergs yell nigger nigger nigger, shitskin subhuman and wishes death on your people. You join them? da eff? What part of inbred shithole cousin fucking america did you get raised in brainwashed house nigga.

Im out her fighting for you and your future children, and you out here playing house with the breitbart brats?

Embarassing dawg. Your shucking and jiving.

>notevenblack

Because the fellow traveller attaches himself to the idea of revolution in the name of instilling some kind of freedom to the people while the manifesto does not dwell on revolution but spends much of the narrative discussing how to change society, and transfer power to the communist party over time. Absolute power that is.
I bought not into Marx, but into far leftist narratives on Black Americanism. It is probably the same narrative of black history most of you got forced on you at the age of 6 and 7 and 8. All of it a history of being oppressed, saying that blacks in America are at the bottom of the social strata and that nothing I as a black American can do can ever change that I am at the bottom. The narrative becomes, I can't do anything to raise myself from the bottom except join a revolution which I have grown to detest the idea of.
How do you reconcile nationalism with conservatism or constitutionalism? Nationalism had a different definition before WWII. Not every nationalist was a Marxist senpai, but every Marxist was a nationalist.

The concept of nationalism existed before the US constitution was written. The constitutional convention debated nationalism vs federalism. The constitution is ultimately a federalist document, meaning that the states make up the laws governing the nation. A nationalist nation is where a strong central government hands down decisions to the states.

So the word nationalist had a bad smell to it in 1945, akin to fascism, and like fascism, nationalism was a word leftists threw at conservatives. It amazes me the nationalist is something conservatives identify with as a word now.

Hi OP. Pol needs ideas. Contribute your ideas to threads you find over a couple of months. Surely you have a far different background than most of us, and some of what you think will float

What do you mean by former black nationalist? Like you just wanna give up on niggers and pretend you're white?

How in the world could you be a black nationalist when South Africa and Zimbabwe are empirical examples of what happens to prosperous countries that get taken over by blacks

But for the Marxist Nation is a meaningless invention, class is a reality and the true divisor of people. How can a working class black man support black nationalism which may be at odds with a white working class person? No true Marxist would say one man must choose his race over the worker next to him in the factory or shop.

How deeply tied to the black community is Marxism?

I seems like the Black Panthers and other black nationalist groups all supported, or were supported by, economically leftist groups. Was it due to how white people in the West seemed to prefer capitalism, and you wanted to be different from them, or did you actually believe Marxism was a good ideology?

When did you realize that Marxism was inherently antithetical to nationalism and ethnic identity?

note: There's a problem for modern whites today, because our economically right-wing parties have become "neocons" - which are globalist and anti-racial for the most part. We really don't have any major alternatives besides capitalist globalism, and socialist globalism. However, minority nationalism is still supported by the left in Western countries - examples: BLM, La Raza, CAIR, etx. There's no major advocacy group for white identity, though. The small ones that do exist get called "Nazis" and demonized.

Is it racist to say "I love niggers"?

EYO HOL UP
>smacks lips
What youse tryin' to say is
>rolls up sleeves
What you BLM nigs is saying
>breathes heavily through gaped teeth
That we niggas can
>pulls up pants slowly falling back below the waistline
That we can like get sum
>snorts loudly through huge nostrils
Get sum of that you saying that
>holds BBC in hands and shakes it twice
Some finna regonizion
>eats skittles and KFC while having some grape drank
Hol up so u be sayin is
>licks teeth and grins
That this white boi cop hurr
>smacks lips profusely
SO HOL UP HOL UP
>steals
SO U BE SAYIN
>gets jiggy wit it
SO HOL UP U BE SAYIN
>eats a skittle
AAAYYYOOO SO U BE SAYIN
>checks for nearest KFC
U BE SAYIN
>collects welfare
HOL UP HOL UP
>licks teeth and smacks lips
AYYYOO U BE SAYIN
>does the crip walk
SO U BE SAYIN
>opens a up a 40 and pours some for his homies in batton rogue
HOL UP SO U BE SAYIN
>tweets about dis and goes to check in with his parole officer
WE GON BE
>dindu.nuffins
FINNA WE GON BE
>sucks air through teeth
AYYYOO HOL UP WE GON BE
>pulls up sagging pants
SO WE GON BE
>instinctively looks around for police
SO U SAYIN WE GON BE COP KILLERZ N SHIEET

Probably because the economic system of US reinforces the racial subjugation that blacks were subject to. They were not just socially put down, but economically put down and exploited by white capitalism

I mean, I found out that black nationalism was a marxist ideology, controlled by wealthy mostly white conspirators for a new world order.
What is the Marxist, and more specifically Stalinist, line of what nationalism is? A nation is what a country is once a communist revolution has occurred. Communism can be achieved via the formation of ethnostates. In the soviet union were many of these ethnostates. The Kazakh republic, Ukraine and Armenia, when they were in the Soviet Union, were technically ethnostates. Inr eality, the communists in Moscow knew they'd never be able to push communism on these ethnic minorities unless it was forced upon them not from moscow, but by their own ethnic makeup. i.e. Armenian communists force communism onto Armenians, Kazakh upon Kazakhs.

The Soviet Union drew borders around areas where various national minorities were int he majority. They drew the borders for the individual soviet republics.

In the soviet union, the Kazakhs and the Uzbekis had nations in the sense their own people governed the area of land where they were the majority. But they didnt have nations in the sense of sovereign countries, the governments of these soviet republics was managed by Moscow.

What are you now?

Timestamp or fake

Choke on a white dick, you nigger!

tell everyone what Malcolm X thought about liberals

Where do you live? Some people need to have a chat with you, you fucking traitor.

>I seems like the Black Panthers and other black nationalist groups all supported, or were supported by, economically leftist groups. Was it due to how white people in the West seemed to prefer capitalism, and you wanted to be different from them, or did you actually believe Marxism was a good ideology?

those lack people didn't give a fuck about marxism or any other,

they just wanted stability for black people, who were attacked in various ways and led around in other ways, cheated, fucked with a fucked over, it took time to break black people and split up their families

but that goal was achieved

>black nationalist
>Marxist
do these go together for some reason? why renounce both?

Will you hang pigskins with me on the day of the rope, brother?

The marxists don't care about you or your cause. They just use you.

Exactly, as far back as 1919 American commies were talking about using African Americans as the front line soldiers in the revolution. Heaven forbid the white leftists have to get their hands dirty.

>Or parents could purchase education at a class that teaches how parents could be home educators themselves. Whatever the parent chooses, the free market fixes it and public schools turn into something of the past.

This will only work if there is an incentive to actually obtain the education. That is, welfare would need to be conditional on fulfillment of the course. Market forces would correct from there.

Also welfare in general needs to get rid of the "low incentive zone" and stricter punishments for "welfare queens" need to exist. Disability would need to be very strictly monitored (as it is the most abused) and welfare must only become available on the condition of work. That is, if you work a year, you can get 3 years of welfare max. (then slowly reduce it from 3 to 2 to 1).

Ultimate thing is that black "narrative" has to become individualistic and moral. Its too fatalistic and consumerist right now and its just the dead side of the nihilist/totalitarian pendulum that ... well... reeks of socialism

Stalin developed a plan by which there was separate revolution for Europrean nations and colonial nations. The communists would work on building national identity in the colonies. Thus, Algeria for the Algerians, Kenya for the Kenyans, Zimbabwe for the Zimbabweans, Angola for the Angolans etc etc. The movement created by communists would establish a national liberation army, which is coded talk for terrorists whom assume themselves to be the governing authority over Algerians or Morroccans or Kenyans.

In Algeria, the FLN claimed to be the authority of legit government for Algerians. They waged a war of liberation against French colonialists. The majority of Algerians in 1958 voted to remain a French dependency. The FLN, claiming to represent Algerians, slaughtered many civilian and innocent Algerians in the name of terrorizing the opposition. They killed eith times as many Algerians as French.

National liberation armies have a long track record of sluaghter, amputations, executions and terrorism against the very minorities they claim to want to liberate.

These terrorists would use terrorism and an appeal to internaitonal just to evict colonizers from their land and set up, in place, a communist nation.

At the same time the communists would build a globalism movement in Europe, that supports giving international aid to help national liberation armies develop themselves as communist nations.

After the creation of communist ethnostates throughout Africa, they will merge into an international block, like the African Union but with more muscle. Then international bloc form into a global government.

In 1928, the communists adapted this to America, identifying blacks in the south as oppressed minorities colonized by white America. The south would separate to form a black ehtnostate governed by a black proletariat.

Welcome friend, enjoy your stay.

>It amazes me the nationalist is something conservatives identify with as a word now.

Interesting thought, i think it has reached this phase because in the mind of american nationalists. The individualistic religious PWE is what makes America great and is its essential character. And that without a culturally nationalist government, there is no way to preserve these essential (and largely conservative) characteristics.

While i definitely do not like plenty power in the hands of the government, at the same time, i believe the government is responsible for inspiring people, doing proper foreign policy work and positively dealing with the domestic problems of the era in the ways that only a federal/state government can.

The essential idea of the constitution is a document that unites all levels of government. Conservative nationalism is just the cultural clout that protects these sentiments from the shit storm of lefty memes and over-stimulation in todays information age.

That's interesting
Are there a lot of places where people liked being part of a colony?
My university don't talk about this, only about colonisation oppressing the 'true' identity of the colonised countries. It doesn't mention how people can enjoy a different identity

>former black

What color are you now?

Why give up on black nationalism? Why can't you attempt to change it from where it is on political spectrum to where you want it to be?

I think African Americans should be given their own region to govern on their own. Really prove or disprove the theories help by various groups.

What about the concept of repatriation of African Americans to their ancestors homelands, would you approve of something like that?

Lastly, I ask every politically minded African American that I meet this question. Are you happy that your ancestors were taken as slaves (if they were) and that you ended up living in a prosperous, first world nation rather than potentially living in (true) poverty and hardship in an African nation?

Why are you no longer a black nationalist? Do you agree with white nationalism or are you opposed to that as well? Are you a civic nationalist? Why?

I'm a white nationalist, I can't see why you aren't a black nationalist anymore. IMO a black nation without foreign intervention, led by good black men, might actually do alright for itself. Probably a pipe dream desu.

>uses racially charged insults
>while complaining about racism as bad is his main point

Sorry m8, you are rather pathological. Not sure if there is any hope for you.

As a former black nationalist, do you think there is an active effort to destroy the positive foundations of black communities or what is left of them in the United States?

Such as the creation of dependence and the welfare state, destroying traditional families and the introduction of drugs into communities

Kindly fuck off, nigger.

>Black nationalism
>Marxist

Nigga what? Nationalism is the opposite of Marxism, in fact I think most of us would prefer blacks be more nationalist, so long as they do it in their country.

So you think it was more due to an effort by the Soviets and the Commintern to co-opt black nationalism as a stepping stone to communism? Seems plausible. I knew the Soviets funded communist revolutions in Africa, but I didn't know much of the details.

Was the black nationalism of people like Marcus Garvey more tied to actual nationalism, without the Marxist rhetoric?

The USSR shat-on the nationalism of pretty much anybody by Russians.

Stalin literally tried to erase Estonian nationalism by forcing Estonians to get jobs in other Soviet states, then flooding Estonia with Russians to dilute their culture.

The Soviets were only "nationalist" in the sense that they forced all their member states to be beholden to the (((bureaucrats))) in the Kremlin.