I get it, Trump is president, I know people are pissed and I'm bummed by it to...

I get it, Trump is president, I know people are pissed and I'm bummed by it to, but as liberal as I am I can't stand seeing these bitchy cry baby protests, riots and looting. This shit is going set the party way back, further then it would move us forward.

Next time liberals don't make everything into a fucking culture war, let people not like homosexuality but let live their own lives, don't bully people just because they have a different view point, stop trying to censor everyone under the guise of "fighting hate speech" when it really isn't. Stop being so damn emotional and let other people have their own fucking opinions. And again stop this retarded rioting for nothing.

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BUT DWAMPF IS NOT MY PWESIDENT U FUCKINF WHITE MALE U DONT SPEAK FOR ALL OF US U FUCKING BIGOT UMMM COULD YOU NOT

You're in the wrong site, bud. Reddit is that way >

>As liberal as I am
Shouldn't you be chanting he will not divide us right now?

>This will set the party back

Face it, this will make the party implode. There won't be a Democratic party in the next election.

This guy actually has a point though.

>but as liberal
as a blankity blank i feel bloopity bloop
You seem to be lost sir

You should have stopped them before we hit this point. Now they're just making people want to kick their face in and believe in values opposite of them simply to spite them

CF? Is that you?

>but as liberal as I am
you American mongrels have really twisted the meaning of that originally french word and I will forever hate you for it.

Fuck no, that non-sense doesn't get anything done.

As much as a wet dream that might be for you, that's not going to happen.

Agreed, this should have stopped a LONG time ago.

You're right, but it is what it is now I suppose. Maybe some new political term will evolve from this but I doubt it.

Ok that made me chuckle, thanks.

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Look at the reactions to a 10yr old boy being bullied. Real class act of tolerant people....

Liberals are gigantic hypocrites, alot of conservatives are as well.

this are the reasons I'm not a leftist anymore, you lost me man...

well then what are you? A liberal in its official world wide meaning or an American liberal? Its rather important that we know before the day of the rope friend.

That's the kind of bullshit I'm talking about, I wish I could filter the "muh feelings" people from the group but that's not going to happen.

Sometime I wonder if I'm slowly becoming more conservative or if it's all just a matter of how I am position compared to the two end of the political extreme as they pull away from one another.

You are liberal, they are (((progressive))). The difference is important.

What is the difference anyway?

American liberalism is nothing but my fee fees.

If I made a club only for right handed people then American liberals would force me by law and violence to change it to include left handed people as well. Disgusting meddling Mary Sues.

I thought I smelled something rotten.. Then Denmark.

Liberals:
Support free speech
Support property rights
Able to hold other beliefs
Somewhat Libertarian


Progressives:
Globalist
Controlled by the Jews
Victim Hierarchy culture
Somewhat Fascist

There is a reason why the Left lacks leadership and talent. Both Generation X and Millennials have deemed the current Left as a lost cause, as noticed by their absence in the rank and file. (The average age of Democratic Congressman is 76!)

The good men are leaving the Left because in there conscience they cannot allow themselves to devolve into the animal that is a Social Justice Warrior. And when the Baby Boomers die off, there will literally be nothing but beasts left in the left.

We live in damned times.

I'm certainly a liberal then. Not a progressive. I do believe in a few "socialist" things like single payer healthcare but that's about it. My motto is simply don't be a dick to people.

only thing rotten in Denmark is the remaining not deported "refugees". We will find them eventually.

>This shit is going set the party way back, further then it would move us forward.
Naturally, I mean the all consuming shitshow has consumed everything left of center the only thing left for it to do was to implode. It still makes me mad that people let them get away with calling themselves progressive.

Well I disagree with your political opinions but I agree with you on "Live and Let Live" wholeheartedly. Thanks for restoring (infinitesimally) my faith in reasonable liberals. Pepe is neutral to you.

The thing is homosexuals already have the rights they wanted, and I had no problem with that. What more do they want, everyone to be gay or something?

theyre not mad, theyre just looking for an excuse to break shit, because its fun, its fun to do bad shit every once in a while

Agree with you and OP, everyone is going to say something hurtful at some point in life, and unfortunately it happens. Just move on, it's not a big deal.

>I get it, Trump is president, I know people are pissed and I'm bummed by it to,

too

>We will find them eventually.
Good luck and God speed.

I don't like this attitude of demonizing anyone who protests. If Americans had had your attitude in 1776 we'd still be a colony of the UK.

>I can't stand seeing these bitchy cry baby protests.

You're alright. Good post. You got a smart head. It'll take you far.

>I can't stand seeing these bitchy cry baby protests, riots and looting
So I take it you are unaware that they have been doing this at every Trump rally for the past year.

this beast in the left are feminist an nu males and those guys have the media covering their asses, I don't see the left loosing power, I want to be wrong but their propaganda and media power is like a colossus, there is nothing like this in the libertarian or right wing, nothing and this is why the young are in their hands and this situation worries me, we are having irrational crazy future generations, look me, I was a progresist 2 years ago and now I'm in the fucking pol, thing gonne so crazy, so irrational, it's literal madness, sometimes I can tell if the left is being serious, sometimes it looks like a living parody... and young people take it seriously! I dont know what we can do to change this situation but i'm really worried abut this

There's a difference between protesting and smashing innocent people's businesses.

I don't quite think you understand the people you have allied yourself with, the liberalism you are thinking of doesn't exist. Your party and ideology has been totally subverted by Marxist Leninists. Anything patriotic and American is not welcome in it. The faster you realize it, the better off you will be.

And sorry for my english...

Violently punching people in the face is not protesting. Destroying property and businesses that are completely unrelated to Trump is not protesting.

Technically speaking, there *wasn't* a democratic party this convention either. It was entirely run by Hillary's 2008 presidential campaign apparatus.

Neutral here. Give it a few days. there will be some rioting and then it will dwindle down slowly.

It isn't even about homosexuality. It's about pathological narcissism and borderline personality disorders, using gay rights as a cover for their mental pathologies. The thing is, although these people 'run' the Left, their own ineptitude drives away the very talent that would've given the left power.

The useful idiots are running the asylum, especially because their masters are exceptionally weak and cannot police their own. Therefore the crazies run the asylum.

The thing is, the protests in the past were FOR something, not just AGAINST something. The American patriots were protesting FOR something, and in this case, it was representation. Even then, they were specific about WHAT they were against, and didn't engage in wanton destruction.

When they assume power, they will tear down the very government they depend on. Like what destroyed the anarchists in Spain, this mob's own disorganized nature will ruin whatever it touches.

American revolutionaries did a lot more than smash up businesses. Not to mention that the whole thing was basically just a response to being asked to pay some taxes

Exactly, I can see where the anger is coming from, but where it is focused towards is truly absurd.

It's okay user, it's called maturity. Welcome to the adult world

They focused on the establishment. These people are attacking small coffee shops.

That about sums it up. You will never be able to please EVERYONE, someone will have an issue with something but just let every one live their own individual lives instead of trying to gather everyone into some sort of ideological hivemind. Maybe there should be a 'whatever floats your boat' party.

Been saying it since day one, trying to silence someone just because they have a different view point from you doesn't achieve anything thing and make you come off as the actual fascist.


I mean come on, people want to riot in the street for $15/hr but fuck up a business's store front so NO one can make any money for a few days because of what someone else believes. It's just retarded.

They were protesting AGAINST taxation without representation though. It's all semantics

I wouldn't be surprised if many of these only support those things to look good not because they actually support it. How many politicians actually support gay rights deep down, few I would imagine

You know.... I was a liberal a year ago.

You might want to reconsider your political views like I did.

nah i disagree. these riots are good. the more cancerous and faggoty the left becomes, the more it drives people away from leftism until literally all that's left is white guilt nu-male cucks

I... don't see where the anger is coming from? Keep in mind, I am not a Trump supporter. Maybe they shouldn't have rigged the primaries for a candidate that was LESS popular. Maybe they shouldn't have assumed that the election was, "in the bag." Maybe, just maybe, Trump won because the left at this point is so "You're with us or you're against us," that they demonize and harass anyone who doesn't agree.

The qualities that makes liberals so unbearable are the qualities that lost them this election. Donald Trump didn't win so much as Hillary lost and dragged the entire Democratic ticket down with her.

>donald trump didn't win

8 years

They wanted representation. They offered a solution first, and then were shunned. That's the difference between competence and incompetence. Keep in mind before the Declaration of Independence, we had the Olive branch petition. England exhausted the possibility for peace, which is what drove all the moderates into the Continental Congress.

That's true on the right as well. Mike Pence is rumored to be Gay, and his faith-based approach is just to look good. And if not specifically Mike Pence, I'm sure there are gay conseratives who feel the same way.

>make you come off as the actual fascist.
let me help you; they are the fascist. More state, more centralization and more power to the collective. You people are so damn ironic that its funny half the time.

Anyone that is upset and thinks Hillary would be so much better than trump if she won the election should probably get their head examined. It doesn't matter who's in office. The American people will be shit on regardless. Get over it. It's the American way and it won't be changing any time soon.

Yeah I'd love that. I personally don't like people drinking alcohol and think it's kinda degenerate, but am I actually going to smash someone's beer bottle and throw it at them. Hell no, that's just rude. Or am I say two guys shouldn't get married. Nope, it's their choice. I think too many on both sides are way too easily offended

>as a liberal
stopped reading there

>Hillary lost and dragged the entire Democratic ticket down with her.
This. She is solely to blame for the 1,000+ downticket and state election losses. The left should be cleaning house over this, but they've instead been duped into blaming the other party.

I personally don't care about Trump or Clinton. What I meant was I guess I can see how they're angry because they "think" their rights will be taken away and that's what they've come to believe, which makes them angry.

I suppose, I mean the smugness that Hillary carried herself with, the supposed "in the bag" voters of women and minorities and the way she basically pandered to any warm body of voting age really made my stomach wrench whenever she took the stage. I know she was lying, she knows she was lying, but we all had to sit there and still watch her cock up everything.

but you will not allow people to drink beer in your home right? and you preserve the right to not have anything to do with gay marriages?
You are such a radical extremist racist user.

If you're lucky the few sane liberals left will form a new party once the old one tantrums itself into irrelevance.

>I can see how they're angry because they "think" their rights will be taken away and that's what they've come to believe, which makes them angry.
It surprises me, STILL, to this day how little people actually know what the president can and can't do.

100% this.

Yeah people can drink a beer in my place just don't get shit faced. And yeah I'm not gonna get married to another dude. Don't mean I should stop someone who wants to do that though.

All the top tier talent on the left long ago after OWS. Now the mediocre operators are starting to figure out that the Left is a losing game. If you work with the Left, you either

>work in secrecy
>work in media
>or are a Baby Boomer

It's just a regression into the lowest common denominator, which can win you an election, but nothing else.

You should post in on reddit, not here.

Kill yourself. Buy a gun, load it, put the barrel in your mouth, put your finger on the trigger, and pull it till you cant anymore.

Pretty much. Back in the day, it was the left that was the underdog, the fun and exciting rebel. And then the left began putting 'Muh feelings' over logic and gave birth to abominations like feminazism, SJW's, BLM, otherkin, Cultural Marxism, total socialism and even fucking communism. They pulled the victim card and gained traction. Now the centre/right are considered the fun and exciting rebels. I'm still a bit left at heart, but my God has it devolved in a steaming pile of shit, resorting me to lean a little more right.
#makeliberalismgreatagain

my point was that on your property its your rules and if people think your rules suck then nobody is forcing them to enter your space. If you think white people are the devils and you do not want them on your land then you should be allow to dictate that.
and that is the thing American liberals will not accept. If you hate niggers and want nothing to do with them then they will force you to deal with them.

You're turning into a conservative. I was super liberal 3 years ago. The things you're noticing now are things that I initially started noticing as I started to make the political flip to conservative.

Feelings should be saved for friends and family. Not a great way to run society overall.

>liberals are now perceived as a bunch of selfish cunts.

Obama started it with setting off the Tea Party rise in 2010, and Hillary promptly wrapped it up.

Leftists aren't progressive at all, for fucks sake stop it. Nowhere in the idea of progress does it say that you should race bait and give out gibs to niggers.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idea_of_Progress

I considered myself to be on the conservative side of moderate til 2003. I thought republicans were just as committed to improving the lives of americans as democrats were - they just had a different philosophy as to how best to serve the people

this illusion did not survive the bush administration

so I figured, hey I'll become a democrat. they seem like they're a lot more committed to improving the lives of americans than those lying greedy ass republicans proved to be

that illusion did not survive the obama administration. I'd even have bought the excuse they had for the ACA's lack of a public option if they hadn't gone around and pushed trade agreements that jeopardized the health care systems of the rest of the developed world. turned out the democrats were just another flavor of neoliberal slime

I still hope that maybe democratic socialists will one day be able to take back the democratic party, but at this point it doesn't look likely. not in the foreseeable future

The left truly lost when it started focusing on identity politics and not how to make the common man stronger.

Yeah, I'm now literally a conservative with a few lingering liberal beliefs. Emotions help in being passionate, but they should only be used to emphasise your point based on logic, not based on emotion itself.

this is mostly what I think, they lost their minds

I'm a independent centrist more or less, take ideas from both sides. And yeah totally agree with your analysis on emotions, great as an add on for logic, can really drive you to accomplish something, but the logica has to be in place to start.

>emotions, great as an add on for logic.

a good argument will include pathos (emotion), logos (intelligence) and ethos (precedent)

I remember learning that in high school english. Good post

>athos (emotion), logos (intelligence) and ethos (precedent)

This and basic critical thinking needs to be taught more, emotions might have their place in art and sports. But when its comes to people's lively hood there need to be more than just feelings.

It's ironic that the people who called Trump a fascist will be the ones to usher in socialism/fascism themselves by losing all their faith in the democratic system with their "NOT MUH PRESIDENT! WAHH!" bullshit

if its such rudimentary knowledge then how come the left spew nothing but pathos and ethos?

>as liberal as I am
Oh for shit's sake, haven't you paid any attention? If you don't understand that those ignorant violent people ARE your party by now, then you are truly lost to this world. Liberalism sounds pretty, but it always ends up with what you saw since the election.
Pick a fucking side.

I think the main problem of the left is that they place equality of outcome over equality of opportunity. On paper, yes total equality sounds wonderful. However in reality you simply can't put one person above the other just because their less represented. This is what we mean by emotion overriding logic. They have a twisted sense of moral duty to promote absolute diversity as to appeal to those who are over compassionate.

>This shit is going set the party way back, further then it would move us forward.

No it's not, if there's anything this election proved is that this country is way too divided to exist in its current state. These are the beginning stages of a civil war

SJWs and neoliberalism have totally marginalized the Left.

liberals love to say HRC won by 3 million votes but if you take away California and New York, Trump won by 5 million.

California and New York do not represent America as a whole. liberals have forgotten that and pushed themselves to the extreme of SJW idiocy.

At first I was going to disagree. But to be honest 2016 was a literal clash of idealogues that have massively made the left distraught and furious. They honest to God think Trump is the devil who's gonna be a tyrant. There's already mass riots and I'll bet people will freak over anything Trump does thanks to misinformation and slander by fake news sources. But we'll have to see.

>They have a twisted sense of moral duty
you dont say. Ill go so far as to say they do not even understand what moral means.

>On paper, yes total equality sounds wonderful.
it really does not.

>they place equality of outcome over equality of opportunity.
both are ridicules. One more so than the other. Equality of outcome is fundamentally against human nature and no hierarchy could ever function with such a system in place. "Equality of opportunity" what does this even mean anymore? It used to mean pulling down fake barriers such as women could not get educated but now its more every individual most have the same opportunities. Such horseshit.

Well yeah that's why I called it 'twisted morality' it's backwards thinking. Equality of opportunity allows for actual rewarding that is deserved through work and effort rather than equality of outcome which just pins 'winner' on everyone, despite some clearly being losers.
Opportunity allows someone to prove their worth. Is what I meant. And yeah total equality sounds great on an emotional level but logically, yes it's broken and unproductive.

I don't know the answer to that. I don't know everything

Although, by equality of opportunity I don't mean free college.

>total equality sounds great on an emotional level
Again, no it does not. Its just the easiest cop out people use followed by the "but in the real world it would unfortunately not work" because they are too spineless to admit that WE ARE NOT ALL EQUAL. Some are smarter than others, some are faster, some live longer and some are more lucky. Equal opportunity is a lie in the sense that we do not all have the capabilities to follow these opportunities. Some people are straight down better and superior to others.
>Opportunity allows someone to prove their worth. Is what I meant.
Indeed and what a sensible ideal.

oh you know. It has something to do with their lacking part of the argument.

I think the first step to fixing 'the left' is to admit some home truths.

One of the biggest being that if you're an arsehole taking the moral highground, you're still a fucking arsehole. The left has attracted a LOT of genuinely terrible people in recent times, not least because these people have realised that they can be an utter cunt AND be celebrated for it.

Another home truth to learn is that mocking people doesn't change their minds. Make a decision. Do you want to demean someone with a different viewpoint, or do you want to change their viewpoint. The left has chosen to demean. Debate is fucking dead. Both 'sides' are guilty of this, but IMO conservatives have made inroads while liberals have run away. It's fucking embarrassing.

And last but not least. Conservative christians are more tolerant than the proto-liberal these days. Tolerance DOESN'T mean agreeing in an almost militant manner. It means not agreeing, but also not calling the other person an uneducated regressive waste of space that is an embarrassment to their country and species.

Oh, and my personal favourite that may honestly be too far gone for any change in the near future. The education system, entertainment media, and journalistic media are compromised. They are lopsided. They push their agendas blatantly, and deny it. The education system especially is a disgrace. The condescension and arrogance, coupled with institutionalised self-victimisation and double standards is disgusting.

They're more left than you. That's all it is. Despite the echo chamber here being a liberal isn't the end of the world.

But you should understand that this is the future of your parties. Liberals like maher, while faggots, are your parties past.

Buckle up faggot.

Oh, and I hope the left does fix itself. It's in everyone's interests. Having society living in completely different realities is insane. And we really ARE living in different realities, not in terms of ideals but in terms of what we consider to be FACTS and TRUTH.

I used to consider myself slightly left of centre. Now I'm slightly right of centre. Both because my views changed AND the left change. I suspect that a LOT of people here are the same.

And I apologise for using left/liberal and right/conservative. They're moderately useful if dumb descriptors.

I don't know that I subscribe to any particular idealogy, but I possibly fall under the umbrella of a conceptual alt-right. Mildly conservative and nationalist, that has a live and let live attitude and a splattering of left leaning social attitudes. Disagreement is fine. I don't want to push my worldview onto you. But I also don't want it slandered and demonised. I want to talk about it. How nationalism became a dirty word, I don't know.

t. some Australian athiest gaylord that wants countries to care about themselves more, and struggles with being gay and wanting a traditional family.

you sound all right for a strayan cunt.