Best Economic System

What is the best economic system Sup Forums?

Do you support unregulated capitalism? Interventionism? Socialism?

I know you aren't communist

>I know you aren't communist

But I am

Capitalism, inside a closed ethno-state

YHTGB

monarchy and let the sovereign decide what'll work best

But I've been here since 2007

Tribalism/abo tier (muh competition)
-Hunter gathering
-Capitalism

Utopian/Dystopian tier:
-Socialism
-Georgism
-state capitalism

Too smart too life just for collect large of wealth tier:
-Distributism

But the Middle Ages were a disaster weren't they?

monarchy was ahead of its time

The individual should own their own means of production. 10% to the Orthodox Christian Church, 10% to the state. This applies to everyone, regardless of income, or which heresy one clings to. No organization which promotes degeneracy or false doctrine would receive tax breaks. Abandonment of a child would be punishable by forced castration. Abortion would be punishable by public execution. Children would be raised in Church and with morality. Protestantism, atheism, and leftist politics support moral relativism. That mentality has lead to every problem we face in America today. We must unite in Christ under proper doctrine. Democracy is a joke. We must refuse to be governed by the collective will of sinners.

The monarch doesn't care about the common people; he's too worried about elites. So he let the peasants get oppressed by feudal lords

In Africa the king weakens the army to stop it taking over his rule and the country ends up being invaded and killed.

Many such cases

Unregulated capitalism; Austrian economics.
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Austrian economics isn't an argument
You can't plan a macro-economy based on an analysis of individual actors

I actually just came to this pic.
AMA

Teddy's Capitalism

The one where I'm married to crispy

Did you know it's a man?

The one where everyone gives all of their money to me. This completely destroys the value of paper money and we are all forced to pay for things with scalps.

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laissez faire capitalism

You can't plan a macro economy.

What is it about a teenaged Arab ladyboy with a haircut that looks like a damn buzzy beetle that does it for you, you effeminate little bitch?

All women online are men. And all men online are women. Are you fucking new?

In a way you have to
What about recessions? If everybody reduced their spending the recession would get get worse

Plutocracy Master Race here.

Then let it get worse. If it keeps getting worse, let it collapse. If the economy functions that way, so that it requires stimulus every time a recession pops up, it has no viability in the long run.

i support a full on anarchist state

Any market economy functions that way
Are you sure you aren't infected by ideology?

who is girl? she is a qt. which ethnic group?

>girl

Is crispy really a girl?

>Any market economy functions that way
Many industrial economies have somehow been fine and recovered from recessions prior to this type of intervention.

Technocracy or a Computer/AI semi-planned Resource Based Economy supplemented by a Free Market

Free Market Syndicalism.

That is an interesting point
I would have to look into more. I think people say those recessions weren't as big for some reason, but they might just be making excuses.

Are you sure you haven't picked up buzz words from dear leader without understanding what they mean?

anarcho-syndicalism

mfw

How would investment work?
If workers invest in their own memes of production they might be hurt very much if the business goes bust

The last recession in the US lasted about this long with Stimulus. The Civilian unemployment rate is no more than what the unemployment rate was then either. The nonfarm was about the same too.

Thinking on it, there were a few big recessions in the US that lasted about as longer, if not a year or two longer in the US.

Libertarianism for small business, current status quo for large business and corporations. By incentivising small businesses like this you increase competition and employment.

The reason this hasn't been done isn't because it's not a good idea, but because corporations lobby against it as per their "anti disruption" practices. FYI the current status quo actually isn't bad if you're the minority of minorities that actually makes an honest attempt at being someone decent, the current status quo is that all this affirmative action and high youth unemployment makes it near impossible to get a job as a newly graduated white male, who strictly must apply for small businesses, who are being targeted by corporations who are so big they don't notice the only graduates they're hiring are "diverse." All of this causes a loss in productivity, the strongest new workers are potentially ignored.

Same way it is now, you log onto your stock broker and order X shares from company Y.

I don't know. Was basically a lefty until I got here. Now I'm digging some form of geolibertarianism but I know just mentioning it will make someone shatter my belief that that's viable too. Can absurdiam be extended into a political philosophy?

It hasn't been invented yet, sadly. Probably some mishmash of things that have worked well in the past, but I think there will need to be more transparency / accountability than what we have right now.

But if you own shares in companies doesn't that make you a capitalist? The workers still have to pay you part of their profit and everything

So, what's your favourite class this semester?

Minarchism! so the goverment will be too weak to protect the black scum and be a puppet of the jews.

>Libertarian Technocracy

As low as possible taxes, as free as possible economy, with the small amount of budget going mostly towards technological innovation and education over military and other spending. All welfare privatized.

>w-wait what? Privatized welfare? lmao

If that sounds unlikely to you, let me include guaranteed UBI

>what THE FUCK are you talking about you fucking retard

Here's where it gets interesting. What exactly is the current welfare? A future obligation (debt) that is currently withdrawn and used, with the next generations having to repay it and so on till infinity. We break the cycle. The debt of welfare becomes YOURS, personal, instead of throwing it to a generation below. How do we achieve that? It's actually quite simple, and here's how you achieve it for 90% reduced budget cost:

>All the private banks give out free monthly loans equal to the minimum wage, if you choose to receive UBI
>Government insures those loans, and pays for the constant 5% interest enforced by law
>Banks compete for those loans by lowering rates indirectly (by giving out those rates as free bonus), as attracting someone means pretty much lifelong brand loyalty on top of everything else
>You're legally allowed to only have one UBI income that you can terminate at any time
>You accumulate personal, interest-free debt with every UBI handout that you must payback within 20 years. You're free to do with it as you please meanwhile
>If you fail to do so, government purchases your debt (due to the insurance) and you must deal with it instead

By doing the above, you ensure UBI for your nation, eliminate poverty and crush the inefficient welfare state, all at once for about 10% the actual cost and privatization on top of it. The supposed "downside" to this is that the people will have to eventually pay it back, but wasn't welfare supposed to be exactly that? To aid someone in need so he steps back on his feet and pay what he took back indirectly via becoming a contributing member of society. Some of you might go on with "oh, but the economy will tank! How will all those companies find workers?", which wont happen because at first there will be few people working the shit jobs, but would later be FLOODED due to all of them having to pay it back and having no other option than to actually work.

It will take 5 years to stabilize, tops. And then there's the fact that there's no state healthcare and people who are seriously sick have to have an income to afford it. But also there's the primal desire to always have more, to always have the shiny thing advertised on TV. And finally, the social ostracization of NEETs who are unfuckable, making males directly force themselves to have more money and lose their virginities. It will balance itself eventually, and when it does, the entire society will be elevated as people will now have the full freedom to educate themselves and do whatever the fuck they please meanwhile, stressless, with zero poverty. And the financial sector would grow to levels that shouldn't be possible, with the technocratic government funding technology resulting in a technological boom, and the low taxes being beneficial to everything else overall.

The very endgame of this version of UBI is to force people to borrow fuckloads of money, speeding up the entire economy doing so, without actually forcing them. All the while promising them (somewhat) free lifestyle and no poverty.

t. Statist ChristCuck

And you still a retarded?
This is the first time this meme isn't a current year argument...

I'm more into a slighty laissez faire economy, mostly because our ever-corrupt government is pretty much a reddit-tier elitist circlejerk composed of city richfags and criminal landowners and they'd get their teeth kicked out with a healthy dose of economic freedom.

Although, I don't buy the idea of absolute libertarianism.

Plutocracy is what fucked up the country, dumbass.

There is nothing wrong with capitalism provided there is some authority to keep it fair, equal and liberal. It only starts failing when "freedom" means "no consequences for those who refuse to hire people because of their skin colour or gender."

As a libertarian I can see an issue with tolerating the intolerant.

>part of their profit
Their only profit is what they get after tax that doesn't get spent on living expenses. You cannot run a business alone so it's only dishonest to compare the current status quo to an impossible hypothetical scenario.

Want my ideal system? I want to see the corporation that's too big to notice their HR team to collapse in favour of the small business that simply can't afford to give a fuck about the race or gender of their workers. This is equality. Real capitalism is equality.

The one that has money.

Myfarog is the best economic system.

I think countries like Colombia and others have grown better when they've had trade protections for infant industries and some government planning

Distribution is the true enlightened Sup Forums ideology.

pretty sure people on Sup Forums (besides stupid commies from /leftypol/) are generally laissez-faire capitalism

other than that, stupid socialists and ancaps
>t. theoretically ancap
>t. hitler apologist

It's a shame, I'm interested in peddling esoteric versions of socialism

socialism is good for robots
capitalism is good for society

Why can't socialism be good for humans?

And why do so many people around the world dislike capitalism?

I want the type of capitalism that is perfectly regulated to prevent corporations from getting too big and taking over everything and start running the government like now

You're a fuckin idiot. Whose logic went off track in the last few lines of your 1st post.

Anyone know her name?

>because our ever-corrupt government is pretty much a reddit-tier elitist circlejerk composed of city richfags and criminal landowners and they'd get their teeth kicked out with a healthy dose of economic freedom.
good post desu
our best period ever was the general Rojas Pinilla (PBUH), who in two years did more than decades of corrupt pieces of shit. We literally owe him our schools and national roads.
All dictatorships become massacres because leftists snare millions of faggots in their bullshit.

LABOR BASED CURRENCY

What?

Energy Based Currency seems better and less arbitrary.

Look up Crispy r9k senpai

Muh 1%

Thanks, she has an interesting face so I wanted to draw her

Because there will always be people looking to cheat, like me.
As long as I exist, the system is fucked.
Hell, I'm a very moral guy and I'd cheat. Just imagine what sociopaths do.
As for capitalism, people simply don't like to feel defeat so they blame the game.

It's the one that allows people to take long term decisions that are in their interest.

Unicorn theory, can never exist and you know it.
The current system we have is just capitalism in its natural state

Kek, holy shit saved.

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there's a very careful balance of hundreds of people fighting against trusts, though.
we need to be aware of this and keep up the fight, just like how Trump will be kept in check by the mammoth that is the opposition.

This is pretty interesting user.
Anyone have any critique?

What do you mean by cheat?
I don't want much beyond just worker ownership of the MoP and getting rid of the parasite class

See .
People cheat under capitalism too.

If each group got to divide the added value of their factory among themselves cheating might go down because employees will reprimand cheaters themselves, and perhaps lobby for them to be fired

Any economic system will work if it's run by white people. I prefer a free market though.

Minarcho-capitalism. In broad strokes,

1. Property rights are a sine qua non for economic transactions and value creation.

2. Anarcho-capitalism can't enforce property rights efficiently enough to shield its economy from uncertainty, which introduces risk to value creation. (Obviously bad.)

3. Excessive taxes, laws, and regulations mean fewer economic transactions mean, which means fewer chances to create value. (Also bad.)

4. Minarcho-capitalism only enforces contracts and human and property rights, including the right to go to your property, i.e. roads. It provides a risk free sandbox for value creation and stays out of the way of the free market, thereby creating maximum value and quality of life.

In terms of war however, even though it out-macros every other system, I think it's still loses to Kim Jong Un or anyone who uses a suicidal zerg rush strategy. To fix this, I propose that a term-limited dictator be chosen in times of war.

I kind of agree, but take corruption in account. The biggest problem we have (economic related, because we have plenty of other problems) inside our government is that it has been a elite club for blind, deaf "conservatives" since 1886, and even though the constitution of 1991, reform which was all proposed by a bunch of universities, changed some things and also empowered the general population, the state still remains as a nursery for the little shady businesses of their members and friends. Add to that our current and previous presidents shat trade agreements every month for no fucking reason.

Right now, assuming USA goes protectionist with Trump and UK opens up to the rest of the world, this country could have a once-in-a-lifetime chance to expand our commercial alliances. That's why I criticize hard our latest tax reform, which actually hurt heavily local and foreign businesses operating here, and also threatens our S&P rating to drop hard. Our president even now and then says "Yeah, it's easy to make a company", but he seems to forget that most companies die after a year all because of stupid bureaucracy and a literal tax tyranny.

I'm not exactly fond of state weakening for this centralist banana country, but maybe if we changed our tax code in such way that most PYMES (spanish term for small/medium sized companies) have a real chance to develop and compete with eachother and with the "big boys", and if we focused on forcing big (mostly transnats.) companies to pay an unavoidable tax based on their annual revenue (shouldn't be too high or it will scare the greedy fucks) AND contribute to non-political causes (education, scientific research, etc), maybe we could improve the country current status. It's a little too idealistic, but we already know what happens when you give excess money to this kind of government.

Also nice qt.

The "Dictablanda" of Rojas was pretty good indeed. Maybe we need another intelligent armyfag up there.

Black market, working less than the mate next door, etc. If you pay people for being shrewd and at the same time place laws against, let's say, excess of ingenuity, you easily reach balance. Meanwhile, communism pays people for doing just enough to go under the radar.
Sure, people will always cheat, but basing your system around the notion that no one cheats is the most stupid thing ever.

if you are anything but a hunter gatherer you are falling for the civilization jew

keep enjoying her, her deportation papers are currently being adjudicated.

t. ICEfag

Communism implemented in a good way (as in tackling social parasitism aggressively, allowing people to be rewarded, but guaranteeing some standard of living so that the lower skilled can contribute in some way to meaningful)

Free speech is a Jewish meme

Jimisim - all producer surplus generated by the economy is given to all people named Jim or with comman Jim-like nicknames

Keep forgetting she's Chilean.

Many people dislike capitalism because they believe an economy is a zero sum game, which provokes dislike of the super wealthy. It's shortsighted for 2 reasons, an economy is in fact not a zero sum game, and the super wealthy in more free markets will do the most good.

I think most people under capitalism already do just enough to go under the radar desu senpai

I'm glad that under my system people have people have an incentive to do well to increase the added value of their group's labour, which is divided among themselves and their colleagues

Many monopolies are the result of regulation. you're just wasting capital using bureaucrats to reshuffle so someone leverage that regulation to their benefit.

This. Every economic transaction besides gambling, charity, or theft creates some kind of value.

Otherwise why would people do it?

Why would you do something you don't come out ahead on?

for sure, they totally do. The difference is that nobody will shoot them if they get caught. That's my only problem with socialism: capitalism just lets the bad apples rot, while socialism spreads the disease.

Your thoughts on social credit?

This guy gets it. Planned economies always fail.

It's true that the capitalist isn't making people worse off when he engages in his capitalism, but the question is whether people would be 'even more better off' if the surplus wealth he is investing had already been socialised.

Company rule, sahib.

She's not you trash heap

not sure I understand exactly what you meant, but if you're saying a government would be better at spending the money a capitalist earned I can't agree with that. It is inefficient and creates an overhead.

Perhaps they would, but bureaucracy guarantees that part of said wealth will disappear to corruption. And communism depends on heavy bureaucracy.
Furthermore, all rich people will seek to hide their wealth in such a system, whether it be via tax paradises or simply acquiring long-term investments such as gold, and we end up locked out of their wealth and its capacity to generate jobs for us.

That's not anzu that's crispy, a girl