"Look at Putin -- what he's doing with Russia -- I mean, you know, what's going on over there...

"Look at Putin -- what he's doing with Russia -- I mean, you know, what's going on over there. I mean this guy has done -- whether you like him or don't like him -- he's doing a great job in rebuilding the image of Russia and also rebuilding Russia period."

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Still better than Russia during the 90s

That's mostly the CIA's doing tbf.

You're making an excuse for someone who personally drove his country into the gutter and you make me sick. you realize they are poorer because of him, ready?

conspiracy theory already. you think this had anything to do with putin invading crimea and giving his country sanctions? maybe? no? all the CIA? okay

>conspiracy theory already
That's literally the CIA's job. That's why they exist.

The CIA didn't make putin invade another country

They tool back Crimea because it was too strategically important. It has been with the Russian empires for hundreds of years.

And yeah, they had lost influence over Ukraine in large part due to the US' meddling. Geopolitics as usual. The US has been hellbent on pillaging Russia and its former satellite state since the fall of the USSR.

The are good reasons for the US to be at odds with Russia, but let's not oversimplify things. The narrative they've been pushing on people (Russia invaded Crimea because they're meanies) is downright retarded.

They pushed them to it.
If Russia interfered and "freed" Canada from the US (because we are absolutely under the US' influence, we are not a real, free country), how do you think the US would react?

>CIA coup in Kiev
>Sanctions

Are you fucking retarded?

He was probably referring to the Rus people's fertility rates increasing

>It has been with the Russian empires for hundreds of years.

>empire

I suppose next the Ottoman's will expect Armenia and Azerbaijan, following your logic. And then the Saudis will demand parts of Spain and maybe eventually Russia will reclaim Alaska.

The world community told them to leave and they didn't. They're so ashamed of the invasion that they went in with masked men.

>because we are absolutely under the US' influence, we are not a real, free country

and how much to you pay to the US treasury every year?

>sanctions
>brought upon by disregarding another country's borders
he did it to himself, so it seems you are retarded.

great. now instead of 130 million poor people, we have 140 million.


ITT: no one understands economics

Parts of Ukraine voted to Join the Russians, Ukraine said no, so Russia helped them.
WTF i hate democracy now!

>They pushed them to it.


If a robber stops a family (mom dad daughter son), and demands the dad to give up your wallet or he'll kill the son should the dad give up his wallet or let his child suffer?

>Parts of Ukraine voted to Join the Russians, Ukraine said no, so Russia helped them.


Parts of Ukraine voted different

Yeah, lots of countries will claim a lot of things. And Crimea was extremely important to Russia.
>The world community told them to leave and they didn't.
This doesn't mean much in a unipolar world.
>They're so ashamed of the invasion that they went in with masked men.
>ashamed
All countries that matter on the world stage have clandestine operations.
>and how much to you pay to the US treasury every year?
It's more subtle than that nowadays. The US requires us to share intelligence (mostly through the UK). That makes it almost impossible for us to plan anything against them (both military and economically). It also wants to be responsible for our protection and to never, ever interfere with their world order plans (especially through trade). And they want access to our natural resources. Just like the petro-dollar scheme, it's not about paying sums of money directly. It's about making sure the US remains financially dominant and they'll pay themselves back. This might change a bit under Trump. He might demand direct payments from their allies it seems.

>The world community told them to leave and they didn't. They're so ashamed of the invasion that they went in with masked men.
BANES?

Don't really care. Bogus analogy.
>Parts of Ukraine voted different
Democracy is just a game at this level. The CIA has been interfering in elections and taking down democratically elected governments for a while.

>Move Russia from mega Shitty to somewhat less mega Shitty.
Wew lads. A real hero!

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>All countries that matter on the world stage have clandestine operations.

>clandestine

It wasn't clandestine. 6 seals in Pakistan is clandestine. IF it were clandestine, we wouldn't know who it was. Everyone in the world knew who it was the moment it happened. That's not clandestine. That's just not admitting the truth, which is a fiendish quality, not one to be emulated.

>The CIA has been interfering in elections and taking down democratically elected governments for a while.

Need I remind you of the Russian interference in foreign policy?

I can not remember a fall of usd after the invasion to Serbia, Iraq, and so on. May be you can.

It's not even fair comparing our country to yours. Ours is a rich country that won the cold war. Yours is a mockery of freedom that abused and starved her people and you're so stupid you elected a former abuser (Putin).

Let's talk a brief moment and analyze two samples of your culture vs ours.

1. West/East Germany - East germans were trapped in with a wall

2. North/South Korea - North also trapped in. South is a major player in the world economy, north can't even feed their people.


Russian influence over the world = poverty

American influence = rich culture, freedom, democracy, western values, etc.

>American influence = rich culture, freedom, democracy, western values, etc

Kill yourself retard.

It is not Russia financed an oligarchic coup in Ukraine to prevent Ukraine to becoming a part of the sphere of influence of Russia and Russian economic bloc. Which (the coup) was held under anti-Russian and nationalist banners and slogans. Which bare longstanding ideological contradictions between Ukrainian regions.
>Russian influence over the world = poverty
Everything is clear with you, good day, sir
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>Russian interference is a foreign policy.

This.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

>It wasn't clandestine.
Clandestine doesn't always work. But they clearly tried.
>Need I remind you of the Russian interference in foreign policy?
So they're no better than each others?
The US definitively seems to me like a better force for good. But it's understandable that Russia would want to defend itself. It is surrounded and if they let the US take away all of their influence, they will not survive for long. Both nations want to secure their existence in the future. This is not mere greed or insane ambitions.

IF there could be rapprochement between the US and Russia and they would stop fighting like this, it could make the whole world a lot better. Especially for the third world who got caught in-between.

T R U M P F A G G S love that ruskie cock like there daddy figure

I love how the liberals became the war hawks. So many contradictions lost them the elections.

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There are only 2 choices?
War or worship?
Why are trumpfags retarded?

tercium non datur

>worship
You know you guys made that up. Nobody here worships Russia. We've been rivals for so long for good reasons.

But some kind of alliance could be the best development for the world since the end of WW2. The fall of the USSR didn't have much positive impact, largely due to the way the US chose to handle it.

Probably will never happen though.

But the democrats were pushing Russia over the edge. They risked a hot war over Syria. This wasn't necessary. If they keep being so stubborn, Russia will die a slow death without having to be so aggressive. This was greed.

>you guys

Just because I think Trump sucks them off too much?

The fall of the value of the Ruble is more closely tied to constriction of Russian trade goods, most prominently oil. The trade sanctions, cutting off the Ukrainian oil pipelines and the abnormal low oil price has hit the Russian economy hard (Russia is essentially a huge gas station).

Despite the bad economy, Putin has very high approval rating—the Russian populace knows that external factors (globalists, Soros, the US Deep State) are screwing with Russia—and during hard times they want a strong leader.

The US proxy-war into Libya, Yemen, Egypt and, lastly, Syria is understood as a 'chess move' surrounding Russia. The Ukraine overthrow was intended to conquer the Crimea naval port into the Mediterranean.

World War Three has been going on for a while....

Putin had nothing and Obama had everything

and Putin still won he stopped the Jihadist rebels from taking Syria, which was the point of all this neocon bullshit in the first place

so fuck off.

Putin somehow managed to turn Turkey from a number one enemy of Assad and supporter of ISIS to a supporter of Assad and enemy of ISIS, and it was all within a year.

Meanwhile Obama has managed to get both Russia and China to hate us for no particular reason.

Huh, he doesn't.

Even if there is a rapprochement, it won't reach the level of cooperation the US would have with a random insignificant country (taking scales into consideration). We'll remain rivals. Just less so. And it could lead to a real peace eventually. Which should be a really good thing.

Funny how liberals used to love Russia because they thought it pissed off the conservatives. They were all about peace and love. Now they hate Russia just because the media said so.

The cold war has been going on for a really, really long time. It's not over. Might be nice if it could end some day.