Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
Marx was good for the time, but clinging on him as if it wasn't possible to challenge and surpass his work is just anti-intellectualism.
Jackson James
kill self etc
Ryder Martin
saged
Wyatt Thomas
Still posting this pasta Shlomo?
Wyatt Cox
this ya'll need to adopt titoism into your lives
Nathan Davis
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Joseph Stewart
Absolutely this
Easton Jones
>le sneaky jew maymay Stormfaggot LARPer detected.
Carson Stewart
KYS
Justin Edwards
Not an argument friend :^)
Anthony Foster
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Eli Smith
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Xavier Wilson
>muh commieball I look for arguments but alas there are none to be had.
Matthew Murphy
More like cummunism because it's so gay hahaha
Aaron Rogers
>implying that Communism has ever worked in any country ever in history
Ryan Myers
Yeah haha so true lol way less gay to support a movement that's all about having the prettiest, tallest blonde boys dressed in Hugo Boss.
Cameron Brooks
You got him.
Juan Hernandez
>Implying that capitalists have not sabotaged communist states literally every time they've been tried. Fuck you faggot.
Cameron Foster
Better a faggot than a cuck.
Matthew Ross
Remember when the soviet union had to build a wall to keep people from escaping because of how shitty it was?
Jason Hughes
Actually nvm you probably dont because youre most likely 18 years old
Lucas Bell
Fake news my dude :^)
Austin Butler
You are a cuck, since you dont believe in ethnicity.
Ian Cooper
Literally no proof of this
Nolan Brooks
Why are commies so fucking retarded? If I work a job assembling computers, I don't fucking want 10 computers as my salary. I want cash so I can buy what I want. You make a deal, I'll do the labor to receive the cash. I do the job, I receive the money. I don't want to work as a janitor and receive clean floors as my payment. I don't want to work as a policeman and get free criminals.
Fucking retarded commies.
Cameron Martin
RED GETS LEAD MOTHER FUCKER.
Grayson Sullivan
No proof of what? You have a irrational understanding of the word "proof". "proof", is everything you can emotioanlly agree on.
Btw, what do you do for a living? And since im from Russia: In a real communist revolution, people like you woud get shot first.
Adrian Carter
fucking lol
Jayden Cooper
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Kevin Gray
Yes prole, keep prepping the big corporate bull. >capitalist resolution sizes
Christian Mitchell
Strawman argument mate. You get a house, food and whatever else you want with Communism as long as you work the point is not to own the materials you use to work.
Gabriel Martin
Hmm new thread with the same first reply as before with all the detraction comments absent this time. Really causes one to ponder..
Jacob Ramirez
>work >get money >buy your own house >buy your own food >buy whatever you want, it's your fucking money
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>work a job you probably didn't even choose >get assigned a shitty state provided home >get given food, can't choose what food >don't have any money to buy anything you want Really makes me think
Dylan Brooks
Wasn't Tito a political whore and got funding from both the US and the Soviets? After he died the money stopped coming so everyone ethnically cleansed each other.
Leo Wood
There's a real "knowledge problem" with socialism and it's one of the biggest reasons that "central panning" will always fail. In "The Use of Knowledge in Society" by Friedrich Hayek he explained that the kind of knowledge that makes the economic world go round is not just scientific knowledge but the detailed and idiosyncratic "knowledge of popular circumstances of time and place" that the millions of people who make up the world economy possess and utilize to perform their unique jobs and live their lives. No government planner could possibly possess, let alone efficiently utilize, such vast knowledge.
For example, consider something as simple as a slice of pizza. What would it take to make a pizza from scratch? Well, the first ingredient would be dough, which would require a wheat farm to raise the wheat that is turned into flour, which in turn is turned into pizza dough. The wheat farm requires all of the engineering know-how that is used to build all of the tractors and other farm equipment; farm tools, fertilizers, irrigation systems, and what not. Then there is the grain storage business and all that goes into it, along with the trucking industry that is used to transport the grain. The transportation industry requires gasoline or diesel fuel, which means more petroleum industry must become involved, including all of the sophisticated engineering knowledge that is used to extract petroleum from the earth and refine it into gasoline.
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Carter Russell
So far, considering just one ingredient of pizza--dough--we learn that it requires the efforts of probably hundreds if not thousands of people from all over the world, all with very specialized "knowledge of the particular circumstances of time and place" that they use to do their jobs. Now consider the tomato sauces, the cheese, the pepperonis, and so on. The lesson here is that what makes the economic world--or human civilization itself--possible is the international division of labor and knowledge in which we all specialize in something in the marketplace, earn money doing it, and use that money to buy other things from other "specialists." All of this occurs spontaneously without any government planner consciously dictating how to make pizzas, how many to take, or where pizza parlors should be located.
As Adam Smith once explained, what motivates people to put forth all of this effort and cooperate with each other to give us "our meat and our bread" is not their selflessness or their love of their fellow man, but their concern for their own well being. By pursuing their own self-interest, as though led by an "invisible hand," benefit the rest of society as well. As for socialism, it is worth repeating that no government planner or group of planners with the most powerful computers available could conceivably possess and utilize all of the constantly changing information that is needed to produce even the most common and simple consumer goods, let alone sophisticated products like automobiles and computers.
The false notion that government planners under socialism could possess and make better use of all this information than the myriad consumers, workers, entrepreneurs, business managers, and other market participants in thousands of different industries was labeled "the pretense of knowledge" by Hayek in his Nobel prize acceptance speech in 1975. It was, said Hayek, the "fatal conceit" of socialist everywhere.
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Angel Allen
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Ethan Thomas
ITT: we wait till commies refute the economic calculation argument proposed by Mises/Hayek.
Ayden Green
WRONG. >go to work >Collect evidence ticket for work >Go to shop and pick out whatever you want >Go to supermarket and pick out whatever you want from all food available >Go to home to nice house and go to sleep
VS >Make barely enough to pay rent and eat >Save for six months to buy a new pair of shoes Fucking cuck hole cunt fucking neck yourself your intellectually dishonest and you know it. Rescource based economy and no infinite growth paradigm is the best system and anyone who disagrees should be fucking hanged. Fuck you and fuck anyone agreeing with you on this thread American Proxy fag.
Blake Hall
They can't answer basic questions, like how is receiving currency from your employed any worse than receiving government provided things for work.
These people aren't human. They're complete morons. Every single one of these idiots has to be put in an oven.
Christian Perry
Fucking typical manipulation of truth, they were trying to cross the wall to see their families not becuase the state was no good. Everyone had enough to eat there and life was okay now everyone is leaving America because Trump just got in and will fuck everyrhing up for Exxon Mobile to profit. You're a fucking liar.
Parker Allen
See Fucking cuck.
Levi Perez
Fuck off, Jahans.
Parker Jones
>I suffer under capitalism
Evan Foster
They often pretend it doesn't exist or they appeal to authority saying that "no serious economist listens to Hayek or Mises nowadays" and just ignore the argument.
Christopher Harris
Still waiting on a proper answer about the knowledge/price system problem.
Robert Rodriguez
>betray your family before betraying the state that alone is enough to scare away most people from the tremendously idiotic ideology of communism. nevermind the countless other points which have btfo you commie retards a million times before
Joseph Lopez
>post shit starwman argument developed in an echo chamber >Get BTFO by obvious reality >f-f-fuck off Nice, how's that great capitalism in Latvia? ie shitholeistan, bet you wish you had yourself some free healthcare from the NHS fucking faggot cunt.
Isaac Gray
I don't want them to address Hayek and Mises. I want them to die. These things aren't human.
Thomas Sanchez
>go to work >Collect evidence ticket for work >Go to shop and pick out whatever you want >Go to supermarket and pick out whatever you want from all food available >Go to home to nice house and go to sleep IT IS REAL IN MY MIND
Jeremiah Perry
Latvia has better and cheaper healthcare than the Islamic commie shithole you are posting from.
Julian Flores
That reply actually was not in response to your irrelevant comment about some obscure economic theory.
Wyatt Collins
have more you fucking commie losers. you have lost and been btfo into oblivion, nobody cares
Zachary Thompson
Is that why they were shot if they were caught escaping? An economy ran under a communist regime is literally proven to not work. See and do some fucking research. Your mind has been manipulated so much that you actually believe that everyone that has ever lived under communism has been well fed and happy and if you actually think this is true youre a fucking idiot.
Kayden Rivera
daily reminder that communism doesn't work Never has, and never will
Michael Peterson
>repeating something back to someone is an argument and not a childish tactic IT'S REAL IN MY MIND here's your (you) Now piss off.
>he anti-fascist protective rampart was necessary to stand up to the military adventurers," explained Walter Ulbricht, the following year. Of course, the purported invaders were still allowed to enter East Berlin throughout most of the Wall’s existence, while East Germans faced the watchtowers, and the barbed wire.
Take it from Russia's own mouth faggot.
Jackson Williams
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Carson Brown
called it what a fucking fag you are, you can't even refute him because you're a sub-90 IQ moron that needs the government to rule your cuck life. please die in a fire, your mother will rejoice at the death of her good for nothing faggot son
Luis Evans
They were shot because they were breaking the law mate kind of like Mexicans crossing your border JimBob. >m-muh obscure nazi economic theory Burden of proof is on the claimant, prove it doesn't work. :) btw China and Europe make literally everything you own, the communists and socialist make all your goods. let that sink in.
Owen Jenkins
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Zachary Sullivan
>pulling shit out of your ass on how amazing life under communism is counts as an argument
Brandon Moore
>leaf posts obvious bait fake news site run by Putin. Get better at shitposting mate :)
Brayden Bennett
>commiecuck btfo so hard he resorts to the "here's your (you)" meme you're so fucking pathetic, no wonder you're a commie
Jordan King
Obscure economic theory LOL It's an argument that just proves that communism can't be made into reality, based on the inability of the system to make "sound" prices to things.
Isaac Hall
Lol triggered the stormweenie
Jeremiah Gutierrez
stop trying to fit in, you're clearly a reddit antifa literal shit eater
Jason Bennett
Daily reminder that the central foundation of Marxism, that of primitive communism, has been utterly debunked by over a century of science, and that OP is a retard who posts this same abortion of a thread nightly.
Ryder Price
>it's never that we're never willing to look at the outdated ideology's failings and try and rectify it, let's just sweep the tens of millions dead under the rug and call it "not real communism" or "sabotaged by capitalism"
David Fisher
>Repeating things back to people counts as an argument Isn't it past your bed time faggot? AFD will get nowhere and we will have your country asshole.
Aaron Collins
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Sebastian Russell
>they were trying to cross the wall to see their families >not becuase the state was no good Commie logic: I'm not allowed to see my family under threat of death, but the state is a-okay
Jackson Lopez
Yeeeeeeaaaaaaah...nobody gives a shit what commies have to say. This is now a National Socialist propoganda thread.
Carter Morgan
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Daniel Stewart
>stormweenie >Lol you sound like you're going to cry, probably because you realized you're the thread queer and everyone here knows you're it and calls you out
Matthew Wood
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Hunter Morales
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Adrian Barnes
Almost an argument but not quite, begin again.
Josiah Wood
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Carter Gomez
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Parker Lopez
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Christopher Rivera
>Save for six months to buy a new pair of shoes
What kind of mentally retarded loser has this problem?
I can buy a kickass new pair of shoes with 5 hours worth of work at the shittiest min. wage job in the country. Top kek.
Parker Robinson
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David Adams
Yeah I get that you think it refutes my economics but you haven't actually displayed any credibility that relates to it for any reason. Never even heard of this meme argument, prove communism doesn't work faggot.
John Evans
>Russias own shill channels admits that they created the Berlin wall to keep people from defecting en mass. >T-that's f-fake news! L-lies! You're a liar!
Just admit you got BTFO you commie cuck.
Samuel Long
The AfD exists, unlike communism. By that margin alone it's already 100% more successful than your fever dream. Stay mad.
Wyatt Ross
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Carson Brooks
>prove communism doesn't work faggot.
Give us 1 example of it ever working pls
Colton Anderson
Just fucking READ. It's available for everyone. Gosh, there's even socialist critique to it, but it's weak as fuck.
>Never even heard of this meme argument holy fuck you're stupid. the whole point is that it proves it doesn't work, it's not his fault you're too dumb to know about it.
Ryan Turner
I've been here since Moot was alive
Josiah Garcia
you sound like the wimpiest fucking pussy. that's what every commie sounds like though. i guess communism might work if everyone was a stupid cry baby like you.
Christian Cook
Yeah we have a history of people risking their lives to live in a capitalist country. Kinda like people escaping the USSR to move west. And china? Really? Everyone there is happy and well fed?
Jayden Watson
So you're fine with all the migrants entering Germany to see their families? >Naziboo logic Hitler was a Jew pal, the whole sorry thing was put together by a little boy without hugs.
Nathaniel Perry
We don't shoot illegals. Are you retarded?
Also >shooting people for invading >shooting people for trying to leave
Do you not know the difference?
Nathaniel Garcia
I thought we all agreed that Commie General was the worst Sup Forums meme of 2016
why are you still posting this forced meme
Chase Green
>you'll never put your hammer in an angry socialist spanish traps ass why live
