What are the real criticisms of capitalism?

What are the real criticisms of capitalism?

Ancap memes

Ever recorded yourself having a conversation with others out of curiosity to see how you sounded only to realize that you're a cringy autistic fuck with zero self awareness with a faggy low pitched voice.

Jesus Christ, I can't even stand listening to me. I come of as such a naive easily exploitable retard

possibly the idea that natural resources belong to no man in particular, and that taxation and general welfare is warranted

It annoys me how people aren't buying the most quality product and instead are buying cheap crap or even worst companies purposely make inferior products. Car parts back when could lasted over 10 years easily, now car parts are garbage and will wear down so they can be replaced. I prefer captailism but it annoys the ever living fuck out of me when companies sell the products in tiers.

commies don't want you to know about this one weird trick!

it can leave people behind.

Assholes can make it suck

ITT commies BTFO

lazy people don't get free hand outs

Socialist fucks taking my hard earned capital gains.

Weak people

The most common is that it's easy to exploit at the expense of the working class and poor and that once the corruption reaches a state level you have politicians ensuring checks and balances never go through because it would cut in on their piece of the pie. A lot of this is easily seen in the economic system of the US, butit's less a failing of capitalism as a system and more of the industrial revolution kicking off so hard and so fast that no one was ready or could even anticipste the ways businessmen would abuse the system. We're still feeling the effects of this.

One I always hear is that it allows psychopaths to thrive.
For example Shkreli hiked up the price of daraprim to insane levels, but he was in full legal rights to do so. Despite doing this might cause people to be killed from lack of medicine, the bottom line is all that matters.

>Niggers

ftfy familam

Not many complaints. US debt is sky rocketed due to extensive spending in social programs and bureaucracy. The idea that people should pull their own weight is being replaced with, "Let's just get shit for free and add more debt!"

If the real wage growth slows down and/or the purchasing power stagnates or lowers, I'd argue the main criticism should have to do with the unequal distribution of wealth.

It is rooted in individual freedoms and individual freedoms allow racial communities to be dissolved , racism/segregation dissolved, and race itself dissolved. Capitalism/Liberalism are failure ideologies that will destroy our tribe.

weak people in large groups can create a problem, especially if they are desperate.

oh i dunno, the misery it creates maybe?

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economic utilitarianism as the guiding principle.
sort of like marxist communism.

It's all focused on the stomach and the dopamine receptors as the be-all and end-all of human existence.

Easily solved problem, get a job niggers

Suspectible to corruption; becoming Crony Capitalism

Too much wealth so it creates spoiled brats and weak men

>not many complaints

Have you ever been on welfare? Or poor?

Capitalism is the legalization of usury which is how Jews crush goyim and turn them into slaves

Capitalism is an economic system and therefore falls under the rules of mankind...like everything else

Yet with capitalism we say that we must not create any rules...it must be free which is wrong

Capitalism must be made useful to mankind

Fair wages
>All men who work 40 hours deserve to be paid wages that can support a family
>Women do not belong in the workforce

Fair pricing laws
>nothing too expensive
>nothing so cheap as to deprive a man of his just wage

Capitalism has taken something good and exposed it to the evils of Judaism

Communism, socialism and capitalism are all forms of economic degeneracy

Abolish the unions and bring back the guilds
Remove women from the workforce
Pay men a wage to support a family
Fair price for all goods

Create a Christian market economy

In a capitalist materialistic society your own value as a human being is your ability to produce and consume

Think about this today?

What do we all aspire to be? Someone rich. This means you are successful. You could be the worst person in the world...but since you have lots of money your value is totally inflated

As a result it breeds unhappiness because you can never be content unless you are rich...but no amount of money is ever satisfying because you want to make it to that next level of wealth

Men could be happy and content before the capitalist materialistic age by being a father, a farmer and a good Christian

We call this progress

there are none user

Price controls are shit in a market economy. Enjoy your shortages of butter and rubber bands. You won't miss them till their gone, but then you will

The butter maker and rubber band maker guild will provide a just wage brah have faith

Capitalism is making Romania great again.

Capitalism creates abundance and waste. The entire concept of loaning money at ultra high interest is designed to disease the country. Capitalism destroys communities. There is no sense of country.

for the record, I think communism is equally awful. Feudalism is the only thing that I think works.

This is the only real flaw I can come up with.
Capatlisms blind desire for profits will actually be used against itself.

I mean look at whats going on with BLM, the media knows this shit is full bullshit. But they also knows that in the age of corporate media there is a lot of money to be made in telling people what they want to hear. So when CNNs ratings skyrocket after Trayvon they just keep focusing coverage on other shootings to keep their ratings up.

This makes low IQ black people think the cops are trying to kill them so they panic and due stupid shit when they run into cops, forcing cops to kill them which in turn creates another story to boost CNNs ratings. It becomes a controlled cycle in which CNN makes money.

All this is fun and games until BLM as a movement gets so huge it can start affecting politics. Specifically ones that will fuck the economy
Nevermind cuck white people who will support socialism and communism to "save" black people who dont need saving.

People have to work

Want to be my serf? You can invite your family and friends too.

no problem with capitalism !

Wouldn't having a high pitched voice sound faggy not low pitched? How does that work?

interest is a hole in the system that bleeds an economy dry

that's why usury is a sin. it's sabotage.

or have rich ancestors. Imo it is the worst flaw to "work hard - get rich" logic.

Usury

You should watch his explanation of why he did it.

It breeds so much success and prosperity that people lose themselves to their effortless hedonistic lives and actively work against their society's best interests to feel like they're a part of a revolution.

>not understanding investments
>not understanding banks

Usury is the greatest sin of our time

And yet no Catholic or Protestant Church in America is even aware of it today

We live in truly dark times

You have something Christ said specifically not to do with regards to the economy...and we build an entire system around that sin

Im sure nothing could go wrong

Great...you have a cheap TV. It must go really well with those 40+hrs of work you do to barely be able to support yourself...let alone support a family or buy a house

Good times

Thanks Jews

Profit is the highest motive. Not truth, justice, beauty, or even survival. Capitalism can quickly propel a society towards great ends, but ultimately it is soulless.

Wtfs with complaining about usury? Am I misunderstanding something? Wont whoever is loaning money go bankrupt if a couple of people cant/dont pay back their loan?

Why? Usury is putting a value on time.

this

profit comes from marketability
marketability comes from giving people what they want
people want truth, justice, beauty and survival

shut the fuck up

>their piece of the pie
fundamentally misunderstanding capitalism.

>the working class

The are no classes in real economics. Most everyone is working class at some point in their lives in the USA. Half of them make it into the top 10% in their lifetime, 20% make it into the top 2%

>boo hoo I got what I want but it doesn't FEEL right
fuck off

weak & lazy people

Usury is essentially someone making money for doing absolutely nothing

This is how Jews destroyed every country they ever set foot in since the dawn of time

Usury is weapon the jews use to turn goyim into slaves

In the past it was a lot more obvious because the Jews were so unique...now its much harder to spot because they Jews try their best to blend in..and their propaganda is so effective and Christianity in its present state is so weak...that they have legions of good goy (((liberals))) working on their behalf

It goes against Christian decency because usury implies that the person lending money owns time...and only God has that right

Can't survive without the majority of a populous being erradicated

>for doing absolutely nothing
Well, they are doing something. They have loaned you that money instead of putting it to use elsewhere.

I get that exorbitant rates for those that are desperate or careless is an issue, but as an idea it seems solid.

>that they have legions of good goy (((liberals))) working on their behalf
(((They))) operate on both sides, see the Republicans undying loyalty to Israel.

corruption.

its too easy to lobby and too easy to buy favors. Case and point, Clinton Foundation.

Imagine older forms of goverment like monarchy of old, where the leader(s) have so much wealth and power that they dont need to accept bribes.

Naturally Monarchies have other problems and in their inaptitude to handle money the monarchies could be under economic pressure by merchant class in extraordinary circumstances, but its an example of how the democratic system is different, and really quite a breeding pot for individual greed being able to exploit the system and masses of citizens through corruption.

False.
People don't want what's best for them. You assume that people behave in a rational manner. Humans unrestrained will catch their last fish, cut down their last tree, and drink away their last dollar.

>half make it in the top 10%

Consider that to make it to the top 10% you have to be making $118,000 a year.
I think a lot of these studies are biased by the fact that when you sell a house, or a lot of shares, you make a lot of money that year, which counts as income.
So it's measuring something else than it is trying to

They are making money in a way that implies that they are masters of time

This in itself is a sinful notion

Usury is the reason why Jews were kicked out of so many countries

The Jews used usury as an economic weapon

Look at modern man and how he is enslaved in the capitalist system

Usury is everywhere around us and you cannot escape from it

Want to buy a house? a car?

Sign up for 15-30 years usury and give more power to the Jewish bankers and the goyim who themselves have become jews through usury

>used to talk in a high sperg voice
>now I talk in a low sperg voice

Sure

But thats because American Southererns are overwhelming Protestant

Protestants are jew slaves the ultimate good goyim

And we also live in a capitalist system so both sides of the coin will bring you under Jewish domination

The fact that the Jews and Commies worked so hard to bring about Vatican II (the destruction of Catholicism in the 60s) just shows you how bad it is

I can't speak to real or fake, but what breaks my heart about capitalism is what is lost or destroyed because of it. I really like art, and in a capitalist society unpopular art becomes less likely, or less feasible. But I still would like it to exist, because sometimes things that don't fit in contemporary culture, might fit really well in the far future. If something is so innovate, it might be hard for people to grasp it all at once, but later it might be realised as something highly valuable. Think of, for example, the realisation that the earth is round. At the time, that thought was heretical. But in retrospect, it was the beginning of new ways of thinking. There are other things that are lost. Like, the environment and shared spaces. Maybe our time, if capitalists begin to lack compassion for other humans.

Also, capitalism really punishes it's most important contributors, until they make something useful for capitalism. In other words, it's really hard to be an entrepreneur. But even harder still is to make something truly innovative that changes the world. People still do it, because they are called to it, but I think I would respect our system a lot more if it nurtured creative pursuits, and especially achievement for noble purposes, such as figuring out how to house and feed everyone. That's not to say it doesn't exist entirely. But sometimes it seems like those who we should appreciate, are also those who that are punished the most. It would be nice if we lived in a system that made sure we had our basic necessities taken care of, so we can all choose to study something with a more meaningful purpose (rather than just being the shrink-wrap guy at the local dildo factory). It takes a lot of time and practice to make things that people like, and capitalism seems really good at wasting our time on menial shit that no one should care about (It's a race to the lowest common denominator)

As opposed to what? What other system allowed for owning property like a house?
Every other system someone else owns all the property and just allows you to use it and can kick you out whenever they want.

Outside of like tribalism where we all lived in huts.

Rubbing two coins to make three goes against natural law. Usury is the jewish weapon they use to enslave other nations. It's been done for a long time now and it needs to end. A free market is good, but with usury added you create communists as a symptom.

OY VEY GOYIM. NOT MY INTEREST! OY VEY ITS LIKE ANUDDA SHOA!!

Is a small interest fee in return for getting a house or car (which you may be desperate for) really that bad, it sounds quite convenient.

interest rates are tiny right now.

To add on to this
If it suits a powerful lobby to prevent the release or development of new technology or innovations in already existing tech, they will do so, which is also why racial studies are banned, why we don't have self driving cars, we aren't living independently and healthily into our 200's, and why studies on what makes mysticism tick will never go anywhere

What system would take its place? Why would someone ever give someone else money without the ability to make a profit off of it?

Usury seems to be the only reason loaning money even exists. Why would someone take a risk on loaning money if they arent allowed to get anything out of it?

>Protestants are jew slaves the ultimate good goyim
I'll agree with you there, which goes to show why most Protestant societies have degenerated (culturally) much faster than Catholic and Orthodox societies.

A market based economy without usury?

Its simple you just eliminate usury from the equation

There is nothing wrong with owning property and buying/selling goods

But the economy needs to be restructured around Catholic moral philosophy

>elimination of usury (thereby expelling jewish influence from the society)
>fair price for all goods (determined by the guild)
>just wage: All men earn wages to support a family on 40hrs of work a week

These ideas were the basics of medieval economies

Doesn't matter. Usury at it's core is unnatural and creates debt slaves. Geometric debt is unnatural. However, a "management fee" can be used in interests place.

Products that last maintain their value. If all companies made progressively worse parts, there would come a point where a 10 year old radiator is more valuable than a brand new one, so they would be forced to make better ones or see their business collapse. If the market is saturated with crap parts it's only a matter of time before the problem corrects itself.

Just trade but without interest. That's it. Use a "management fee" in place of geometric interest. Islamic banking does this, they banned usury.

Capitalism is a tool to be used by a wise ruler
It is not itself a replacement for a wise ruler

>Consider that to make it to the top 10% you have to be making $118,000 a year.

Joint household income. That's not that much money.

>I think a lot of these studies are biased by the fact that when you sell a house, or a lot of shares, you make a lot of money that year, which counts as income.

Well yeah that's the free market point. These people who are the evil rich that the left wing wants to tax are not necessarily people hording money overseas and taking vacations on a yaht.

A small sin is still a sin

This is how it all started actually

Catholics and Protestants changed the definition of usury from

>any amount of interest is usury

to

>high interest rates = usury

And now look at society today. We have slowly crept down this path and now we live in a degenerate materialistic society in which the West is dominated by globalist bankers and jews

This is where that line of thinking gets you

In Christian times banks existed as charity organizations. We also didn't feel the need to consume so much as we do today

The crusade against usury is a great redpill Sup Forums needs to discover

>What are the real criticisms of capitalism?

It's become entirely about short term gain, even at the corporate level.
It used to be that corporations were institutions and their goals required decades to come to fruition.
This meant planning and endeavors that might not pay off in the near term, but had long term benefit.

Today's businesses are under tremendous pressure to show huge growth from quarter to quarter, and that means a lot of corner cutting, aggressive acquisitions, and the complete de-prioritization of long term investments.

The main problem that I see with this is that it's unsustainable, and it's stifling us. The real wealth is not here on Earth but rather in space.
That may seem absurd to us today when the stars seem so distant, just as it seemed absurd to the first sea-faring peoples to venture beyond their safe shores.

If we ever do manage to really establish ourselves in space, start to harness the power of stars, start to harvest the huge quantities of rare earth metals (which occur in space), we might actually achieve "Post Scarcity".

A Post Scarcity society may sound impossible, as human wants are limitless, but in practice human wants are not limitless and as our economy scales up from a global economy to a galactic economy, meeting the cost needs of individuals will be trivial.

Unfortunately this near term shortsighted capitalism we live under now, is not a path to that glorious golden future.

Capitalism = trading + usury

Usury is the ROOT PROBLEM. Socialism and communism are reactionary ideologies that come from capitalism. People have forgotten that usury is the HEART of the problem.

ANARCHO TURBO GAY LUXURY COMMUNISM.

So why would someone ever loan money without usury?
What happens when the guild becomes corrupt?
Just wage? What defines a family? Are we going to start limiting child numbers? Wont people just only hire people without or with with low numbers of children so they can pay the least?


So the suggestion is a flat fee rather than a percentage? I could get behind that. I would expect an inflation of that which would probably push poor people out of the market but does seem on paper to be solid.

The principle of capitalism is freedom. Any criticism you make of what evil capitalism can cause is brought about by human nature itself. There are two ways to correct: by coercion and repression through the state or by human consciousness itself. The first will only shift the problem elsewhere, as history itself has shown. The second is the one you want. Not believing in capitalism is not believing in the human race. Capitalism is the ultimate red-pill

Unconstrained capitalism will lead to white genocide and degenerate culture.

Whatever juden. Usury will be kill by the end of this century.

>le nigger meme
>not many complaints
>claims that the main issues are social programs and bureaucracy
Into the trash it goes.

>Humans unrestrained
and this is why humans are restraining themselves
nice logic there kiddo

Basically, usury allows the (((bankers))) to steal money via taxes. That allows the bankers to buy influence in media and government, in so doing, shaping the world in the image they want, which is a completely degenerate and boring world where everyone looks the same and has the same culture.

Remove usury, remove the eternal juden's grip on the world.

A loan is a form of charity..to help your family, friend or stranger

Corrupt guilds could be brought to court or shutdown by the monarchy

We could go with 3 kids for a family. No limitations should be placed on children

The guild system works like this. Hire a young kid. Train him. He is now a young man. He is sent for his journeyman experience to different guilds. He returns and is now permitted to marry once he become a master. As a full fledged guild member he is paid enough to support a family and has insurance, medical through the guild...also child support services too

The guild basically functions like a mini nation in support of its members

its not bad enough like communism

Production is geared towards making profits rather than fulfilling human needs. The two aren't synonymous. The end result of that is that we have huge amounts of wasted resources but still many unsolved needs that could be easily solved.
Labor is built off of """voluntary""" contracts and often involves both exploitation of laborers and disassociation of workers from their work and their lives. That's a form of mechanical degradation and dehumanization.

Unlimited growth is impossible in a world with limited resources.

it deracinates white people

>Any criticism you make of what evil capitalism can cause is brought about by human nature itself
That's a pretty broad conclusion.

we don't have limited resources, light arrives all the time as well as radiation and dark matter and so on. We just need to learn how to harness it and we'll have unlimited resources.

>Production is geared towards making profits rather than fulfilling human needs.
false, you can't make a profit if you don't provide what someone else needs

I was at one point basically ancap, but the things I dislike the most about it is the materialism and complete nihilistic lack of communal, cultural, or familial values.

I still believe an ancap society would be best but it would need to be paired with a religion (preferably Christianity) or some kind of very traditionalist philosophy like Confucianism that will teach the people these wholesome values, combined with some ethnic pride.

>A loan is a form of charity..to help your family, friend or stranger
So people could just chose not to do it?

>Corrupt guilds could be brought to court or shutdown by the monarchy
And what about corrupt monarchies? I mean there is a reason they basically dont exist anymore

>We could go with 3 kids for a family. No limitations should be placed on children
So what happens with people with more than 4 kids? Wont they be stuck in poverty with a forced wage they cant overcome?
Wont people put a self limit on children in order to live a nicer life? Wont this result in drops under replacement rate?

>The guild system works like this
So a Union?
Also "permitted" to marry? What happens if people dont like their marriages being controlled?

How is usury not positive though?
Take all of what you said and apply it to 'stealing' money from white people and spending that money in promoting a white christian worldview and healthcare/welfare for white people?
I know that america's different, but in a country where white people are the vast majority, this 'usury' can actually help the white race prosper rather than hinder it.

Are you blind? Companies produce commercial propaganda that infantilizes people and creates "needs," propagating rampant consumerism for products that all too often are built to break, stop working, or be outdated quickly.