Do you think that people who work fast food deserve to have $15 as a minimum wage?

Do you think that people who work fast food deserve to have $15 as a minimum wage?

It has some merits. Seems like the minimum wage should provide people with a normal standard of living.

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Look what they have to put up with too.

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TELL THOSE NIGGERS TO LEARN HOW TO GET THEM ORDERS RIGHT FIRST

IF THESE FUCKTARDS CANT RMEMBER TO PUT A SPOON IN THE BAG, HOW CAN THEYNDESERVE 15 DOLLARS AN HOUR??

If you raise the minimum wage costs will got up accordingly so while the numbers are bigger they still will be as poor as ever.

When those assholes get my order right 100% of the time we can talk about a raise.

No, the minimum wage concept should only apply to jobs that require actual skills.

I agree.

How many of the people who are making minimum wage are fast food? I feel like 90% of the jobs are minimum wage w/ 5 years experience and a masters

It's taken a decade to get to $15 for me here, but I busted my ass a lot more working for five years in fast food.

how much income tax u pay bro?

Minimum wage is enough to pay for an apartment and food in most places. These idiots are broke because they drink Starbucks and need Iphones.

I think a better question is why do these people stay in that position? They can't look for something that pays better? Even basic jobs like landscaping pay more than minimum. They can't even get promoted? What does that say about their skill set?

That's a Walmart huh? Are you the dairy department manager?

>raise minimum wage
>price of everything goes up

raise it even higher dammit!!!!

I live in a suburb right outside of NYC and if I were making $15 minimum wage I wouldn't even be able to pay property tax on the smallest possible house I could find. It totally depends on the part of the country, and if you are willing to move out of the expensive areas.

I think the problem with this is how do you distinguish fast food from other parts of the foodservice industry?

I would be onboard with forcing mcdonalds to pay a $15 minimum wage and either paying workers more or automating. It will result in less jobs yes, but also less mcdonalds, and these companies are CONSTANTLY bitching about a shortage of low wage workers so appearantly killing low wage jobs is no big deal. It's totally not like they are inflating the amount of unfilled low wage positions to influence the discourse around things like immigration.

I don't really care too much about fast food being reduced in scale or automated, I just don't know how you can draw a line between healthy foodservice and businesses like McDonalds that isn't completely arbitrary. McDonalds is FAR from the worst in regards to only offering unhealthy options, people are willing to suck the dick of five guys and they are way less healthy than McDonalds.

I doubt either of you have ever worked a hospitality job. Mistakes happen, not always because of incompetence. Often the staff are just flat out. Other times the staff become apathetic because job satisfaction is non existent in shitty minimum wage jobs.

You really need to get out of there bro, I make 16.75/hr and I've only been in the workforce for a year.

its usually incompetence
they wouldn't be there if they were

yes

$15/hr isn't shit

they can easily pay it, but won't.

They'll lose all welfare that they currently collect if they make $15.

Their wages are highly subsidized.. to the point that they'd need to make around 50k to break-even.

These idiots will never collect $15/hr as a full-time employee, even if it was law.

I have no problem with it, it's just a waste of time to continue discussing it. I think that if we allow $15/hr wages, it should be matched with significant reductions in the welfare system. These dumb fucks will have walked blindly into realizing they've been leeches for all of their adult lives.

They don't, and higher wages will just lead to more investments in automation.

There's no need for a human cashier at a fast food establishment.

These people are idiots and litterally chimping out and will drive the company to automation and they will all lose their jobs in the end

Not necessarily. People often take hospitality jobs as a stop gap until something better comes along. Some are still students. Others aren't necessarily incompetent at their job, but have just made shitty life decisions.

Not everyone flipping burgers is a total dropkick.

>these don't whine for 15 an hour ever

Give them the $15/hr wage, and introduce it with massive cuts to welfare.

They'll be fucked.

Not sure. All I know is that I gross $27k and net just under $20k.

I don't work in the day so there's no opportunity to move up because there's no manager's dick to suck (for good or for ill).

I don't have a GED or anything and I'm already in my mid 30s, so I'm stuck here until I collapse and die at work one night. Hopefully my body isn't too much of a burnen to retrieve.

no, they deserve the oven. or an indipendant califoria.

whatever happens first

I can support that.

Do you collect any welfare? If you don't, you've been playing the suckers game.

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Fuck no. Those niggers can't even put the toppings on a sandwich correctly.

>no mustard please
>slathered in mustard

Where did this meme that fast food employees are poorly compensated come from? I'm a chef at Wendy's and I make over $100,000 a year. Why do you think that baconator costs $10?

In australia fast food jobs are strictly for highschoolers/uni kids. basically anyone who has a standard of living provided for them. You shouldnt be working at mcdonalds as an adult.

I went from overnight to department manager in a year. You've been there ten years and haven't been promoted? You sound retarded. Can you bin and pick? Do the managers duties, replace labels, set mods, unload trucks and they'll give it to you eventually. You don't need to kiss ass just be competent.

>$15 minimum wage
>Each food costs in average 1 dollar to produce
>McDonalds has to sell 15 burgers per hour per employee for this transition to make sense
>an average restaurant has 40-50 employees
>Facility has to sell a burger every 5 seconds to SURVIVE
>Not counting employee bonuses/rent/special expenses

some will still keep their jobs, the problem is these people are already not the brightest and will have to learn how to fix and work with new machines.

I worked service at a front desk and the only times I fucked up were

No.

The answer to this problem is to low the cost of living. Not to raise the minimum wage itself. For example the housing market (atleast in Canada) is inflated highly due to illegal offshore money from China, Middle East and India.

Stop importing large amounts of immigrants as they drive the cost of labour down. For example in Canada we see multiple Philipinos working a TIm Hortons but no children.

Additionally we should focus on teaching people trades and other practical skills. Lower the age to work and encourage people to work earlier.

No. They deserve what the free market settles on.

Nobody is forcing them to work for that wage. They are doing so willingly.

If they want to make more they need to learn a skill. Mopping isn't a skill.

Not to mention they are all nigger tier usually so who gives a fuck

Only if you want the free market to start having robots mess up your Big Mac instead of teens

15$ an hour is way too much for something a robot could do.

We have a large population of idiots and illegals that smoke weed & drank throughout their entire formative years... so the only qualifications they have is flipping burgers.

These are the people that are actually somehow too stupid to work on a construction site despite all of the job opportunities and the plethora of trade schools offering cheap and quick education.

imbecile

They produce a product to a formula, 9/10 times it is identical. Most will pay far closer attention to a customers demands if it is related to a food allergy.

I think honestly people have unrealistic expectations around the level of service that is provided in fast food joints. In what other situation are customers so routinely demanding for something that costs so little?

>deserve

subjective

>Have 10 employees
>Pay them 7.5$ an hour
>Minimum wage increased to 15$
>Now down to 5 employees and robots

Why can't socialists understand economics

You think people making minimum wage give enough shits about their job to make you happy and give you decent service? They hate their jobs and their lives.

Fuck no. 7.50 is way too goddamn much to pay them for that job as it is.

Make too much to collect welfare as I have no dependents. My family abused the system and it didn't do much for them, except keep them on the couch.

I already do all that. Will have to wait another decade for such an opportunity to arise.

If those machines are bilingual, not only are they replacing cashiers, but they are doing a better job at it too.

>My family abused the system and it didn't do much for them, except keep them on the couch.
It's working as designed.

Only if they're white.

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>pay people more
>you can raise prices more
>people will continue to buy your shit

you clearly don't understand what you are talking about

If you believe in a minimum wage, you're an economic retard. There's only one true minimum wage, now and forevermore, and it is $0 per hour.

If your labor doesn't add marginal value to your employer's product that is worth at least 100% of the minimum wage (actually more like 150-200% because of benefits, payroll taxes, training, and other employee related overhead) then you will lose your job FOR SURE. They will bring in a robot or kiosk, they will fire you and give your job to a more efficient worker, or they will go out of business because they are losing money every time your stupid lazy ass flips a burger.

It's amazing how well made their shit is for 'spontaneous outcries of public dissent'

>'Organizational' groups fund, transport and outfit protestors
>Media gets a big story to report about all the 'outrage'
>Media CEO's make sizable donations to said 'organization' groups, looks good on them as a charitable act
They really have a nice fucking system set up, don't they?

It has merits. For unions. They started this because other types of professionals caught on to their bullshit so they tried to appeal to fast-food workers with this pipe dream to get more warm bodies paying dues.

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>I currently make $32.50/hr. Does this mean Im going to get an increase of $8.00/hr too?

Probably fucking not. These jobs are not meant to be used as a means to support a high standard of living. People with minimum wage jobs need to use them as a means to an end. They need to delay some of their gratification, put themselves through school or a trade, and then get a real job.

For 5 years I split rent with 4-5 other people, used a pay-per-minute tracfone, ate like a pauper, and saved and budgeted to pay for school. Now I can afford nice things.

If these people are unable to do what I did they seriously fucked up along the way and now have to live with the consequences.

What about in industries with high levels of competition for entry level positions? Unpaid internships are becoming commonplace. Those unpaid interns definitely produce value for their employer in excess of their pay rate. Is it ethical for people to work for nothing?

>Less people buy your shit
>Business decreases
>Your FICA input increases 2x's
>Employees start working part-time to maintain welfare utilization
>You have to bring on more people
>You lose small-business tax exemption
>Now required to sign-on to Obamacare
>Wages of all people at $15/hr that are high stress and specialized demand higher wages or threaten to work as burger jockeys
>People making $16/hr demand more money
>People making $17/hr demand more money
>....
>Inflation

Really need to start shooting these people.

No. I never had to hold a min wage job in my life. When I first applied to a McDee's I came to the interview dressed better than the manager. There were 4 other niggers I knew there in a lineup, manager just trying to pick out the dumbest one that will still obey.

Dropped by city hall, two months later I was working as an office clerk on a comfy ass job with hours dictated by me weekly for $11/hr.

Currently "earning" between $80-$100 per hour while in college from the military. Only $6k or so in stipends per year for spending money, but books, tuition, etc are totally free. I'm graduating this year, still over 15k in my bank savings, which will probably jump to 35-40k after my first year getting actual pay.

If you aren't between jobs or in school and you're working fast food, you've failed and should reevaluate your decisions up to this point.

No. Lemme explain.

I got my part time job when I was 17 working as a cashier at a Whataburger in Dallas at $7.50/hr. Shift managers kept making me do dirty work, so I looked for a different job.

Found employment at Target down the street at $9.15/hour as a guest service team member. Again cucked by shift managers into helping with electronics attachment sales and being a card pusher, so guess what? I found another job.

Moved across the street to a beer distribution facility where I work part time at $15/hr.

Self-determination in this county means that if you want a higher wage, you work to get it. Stop asking for fucking handouts.

>Do you think that people who work fast food deserve to have $15 as a minimum wage?
"no"

I know I'm gonna be called retarded or some other insult for this, but I work a minimum wage job, and I'm always working hard to give decent service for people.

>Minimum wage
>Normal standard of living

No. If you want a life of luxury you get a non-retard level job.

Milk not on a pallet, that's an eco lab violation

>What about in industries with high levels of competition for entry level positions? Unpaid internships are becoming commonplace. Those unpaid interns definitely produce value for their employer in excess of their pay rate. Is it ethical for people to work for nothing?

Of course. Medical students provide tons of labor for hospitals and pay $60,000 per year for the privilege.

No cuck working in fast food is for teens and young adults who need either work experience in a fast paced enviroment which is both quality and customer centric and/or bit of extra cash to supplement during education studies.

this

it's not hard

I'm not sure that's right, but then again I'm not a kike expecting people to pay money for the opportunity to serve me.

I agree with the general consensus of the thread but just as a funny anecdote to support the minimum wage meme...

The UK is raising the minimum wage at the moment by an extra pound an hour or so. Students and young people loved the change and even argued it doesn't go far enough. One of the biggest employers for young, minimum wage workers is restaurants.
Well it was introduced and a lot of restaurants who used to give free lunches/break food to their employees stopped that benefit completely and now workers either have to pay or bring in their own food. The net effect is their pay is basically the same.
Cue a few meltdowns on facebook hahahahaha.

cunt we're a service economy

Yes

>I'm not sure that's right, but then again I'm not a kike expecting people to pay money for the opportunity to serve me.

I know it's right because I did it myself. When I was in medical school I drew blood from AIDS infected junkies with no veins and changed the diapers of demented old ladies who shit themselves. And I paid tens of thousands of dollars a year for tuition. Worth it in the end? yes it was, and then some.

No, unless they consider raising the wages for every other job. I don't want my time wasted on a degree to be easily earned by someone working at McDonalds. Hell no.

Don't know what happened. It's not my call. If someone's going to get shit over it, it's not going to affect me.

Fast food doesn't deserve a raise it's a low skill Job for a reason because anybody can get hired as long as you show up, an example McDonald's they'll hire anyone as long as you mainly say you'll show up and won't call off.

People aren't entitled to a "standard of living" lol

>work a job that literally tells you it pays MINIMUM WAGE
>there is such an influx in useless people that can manage this sort of job that it pays the LEGAL MINIMUM AMOUNT
>wtf i need more
>lol no i'm not gonna work harder for myself and work my way up to management then get a better job for higher pay
>r u fuckin dum lmao protests now

Unpaid internships simply pay in experience and networking vs. money. They're done for the same reasons as college- you exchange money/your time for credibility that you use to get jobs. It's VERY, VERY nice to have someone 15-20 years above your pay grade scratch your back when you really need it.

Its not just for fast food workers. Its a standard for all americans.

>Burger King
>starts at $7.50 / hour
>bad service, food quality very poor

>Chick-Fil-A
>only a few blocks down the road
>starts at $10 / hour
>far better service, food quality consistently good

Minimum wage here is $7.25. Both restaurants get about the same amount of traffic on any given day (BK even more so since it doesn't close on Sundays). An average meal from both places costs about the same.

Am I missing something here, or does a $2.50 difference in hourly wages really make that much of a difference?

But the cost of living has gone up but the minimum wage hasn't.so maybe they will still be poor but maybe not

What was the point in the wage increase if everything else has become proportionally more expensive.

>Minimum wage should not be enough to stay alive

>Dude why are these men all killing themselves, government should do something about it

>Am I missing something here, or does a $2.50 difference in hourly wages really make that much of a difference?
Yes. That's 100 extra a week for a 40 hour work week, and 400 extra a month. That's the difference between paying off bills for most people. People that are feeling like that their job is helping improve their lives put more effort into keeping their jobs, and employers try to hire better employees that are providing good service.

>Am I missing something here, or does a $2.50 difference in hourly wages really make that much of a difference?
It does when you're in customer service and have to deal with shit heads everyday and you can't tell them to fuck off because you would lose your job.

And this right here is the reason (((they))) allow the "discourse" point of a $15 minimum. It pushes the cost of everything else higher by default, and the relative change in currency can be speculated on, for profit.

I work fast food. And fuck no we dont need 15 an hour. Maybe 8, 8.50, but fuck off with 15. We're not neuro surgeons

The reasoning is employees will give a shit if they know that they can go down from where they are.

If they were shit at chick a fil a and got fired they know for a fact if they went to burger king they would earn far less.

So they are happier.

Minimum wage laws are disproportionately harmful to unskilled and inexperienced workers because those laws take away their one competitive advantage, which is price. In a free market, an employer might choose to hire a lower-priced and less productive worker and train them for the job. Minimum wage laws make this unaffordable for many employers.

Paul Krugman in his textbook on macroeconomics describes the effects of super high minimum wage laws in European countries like Greece and Spain. The "disproportionately young, from ages of 18 to 30, are locked out of employment without any prospect of finding a good job. In these countries a generation of young people is unable to get adequate job training, develop careers and save for their future, thanks to the minimum wage laws. These young people, moreover, are also more likely to engage in crime."

Unions don't care about the poor. They care about their members, and few of them are ever minimum wage workers. They support increasing the minimum wage because they understand that low skilled non union labor is often a substitute for them in the eyes of a employer, so they use the minimum wage law to artificially raise the barrier of entry for new workers to protect themselves. An example of this would be in Apartheid South Africa, where construction unions used the minimum wage law to eliminate the competitive advantage of black construction workers who were willing to work for $1.51 an hour less than white workers. American unions have similarly pushed for minimum wage laws to take away the competitive advantage of less expensive, and often ethnic minority workers.

You're missing his point.
He means, why can't BK pay $10 an hour if Chick-Fil-A can, with the same priced meals.

Hollywood actors are some of the biggest hypocrites in the world. There's a lot of stage productions where the tickets are really cheap because they don't pay actors, so newer actors take part in this because it's essentially on the job training and it helps them get exposure in the industry. When California passed a new minimum wage law that forced these theater owners to pay the actors it started killing the industry because the only reason these plays have an audience is because the tickets are so cheap, so it resulted in less plays and opportunities for new actors since the owners couldn't afford them. Now we have actors unions fighting against the minimum wage when it applies to them while at the same time advocating the minimum wage for the rest of the country.

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Do y'all have Chick-Fil-A's down under or are you a pine gap spy?

Cities like Chicago tend to eat that minimum wage paycheck up in rent. Two months after min. was raised from $8.50 to $10.00, property taxes went up, and rents followed afterwards. For min. wage slaves money was saved because it went back into rent.

>Seems like the minimum wage should provide people with a normal standard of living
absolutely not, minimum wage should provide you with a shit "lifestyle" barely able to subsist an adult. Minimum wage work is basically work that a monkey could do if it weren't for the damn health inspector, people on min wage shouldn't be able to afford the new iphone or playstation or whatever, and they definitely shouldn't be having fucking kids.
I don't think a lot of people realize how much of a fuck up you have to be to make minimum wage as an adult. A person who shows up sober and on time every day to a "hospitality job" as you put it will be promoted to some level of higher responsibility and pay inside of six months.

Dontcha just love them blue states?

i make 11/hr which is minimum wage at burger king.

cost of living is very high, I live near seattle

All that bullshit about "fiddeen dalla annower" is just an excuse for corporations to bring in automation. All these protesting dummies are just useful idiots. Fast food was meant for young people to make a few bucks than move on, not support a fucking family.

The problem is that most of the jobs that "support a family" have disappeared and the only jobs left are shit fast food