Does Sup Forums believe in Universal Healthcare, or College education?

Does Sup Forums believe in Universal Healthcare, or College education?
-If not, then why?

>inb4 fuck the "free" Jew

no such thing as a free lunch

Sup Forums is not a hive mind

I though believe they should be lower but not free.

Why should my taxes pay for some liberal faggot to take a gender studies course and contribute nothing afterwards?

Nothing is free

No, relying on the government for everything makes you a slave to the system.

We have education grants and social healthcare here in Ireland but I've saved for my college education and my parents have private healthcare.

I'd rather be a contributing member to society then rely on government for everything and this, taxation is theft.

'Free' college education will just devalue the results the same way 'free' public school did.

Because you do not have a right to someone elses services. And socialism is autism

We aren't suggesting anything be free, the term being used is "universal".

Meaning the government becomes more fiscally responsible, not letting big corporations get large tax cuts. Spending less on wars, and naval bases.

Iraq War costed the US $2 trillion, put that in perspective. That could've made sure poor intelligent kids can enter an environment to become more useful to society.

No.

It's not my duty to pay for someone else's healthcare or education.

Why on earth would I want to pay for some fat fuck's healthcare?

>Iraq War costed the US $2 trillion, put that in perspective. That could've made sure poor intelligent kids can enter an environment to become more useful to society.


Lmao . High school economics, I see.

The cat's already out of the bag with universal healthcare, with so many people already depending on it, if they just changed obamacare to make it not mandatory I think that would be enough, but still run it as a government insurance so all those people that used it wouldn't be dropped. As for universal college education, as a college student I think it is completely stupid. If you're smart enough and work hard enough you can already get a free ride through college like me through company scholarships and state run scholarship programs. Companies recieve tax benefits from giving out scholarships and the government is essentially investing in the harder working and smarter students knowing in the future that they will be taxpayers and not welfare idiots. You can already go to college for free if you earn it.

Poor but intelligent kids find their own way to success, don't you worry.

No need to reach into my pocket.

But none of that has anything to do with education or healthcare.
Also why would you support a progressive income tax? Do you really want the poor to stay poor?

No. Neither fixes the core problem: inefficiencies in the industries raising the cost of healthcare and education. It's pointless to collect money to pay for it because the cost will keep increasing until the core problem is resolved.

If they really address these problems I wouldn't mind some sort of public fund to subsidize healthcare for people with chronic conditions and education for people going into practical STEM majors (math and related fields, hard sciences, applied sciences, etc.)

But I'm not going to pay so Shaniqua can go to the doctor for feeling ill from being a lard ass, and I'm not paying so some stupid cunts can go to college to learn garbage like sociology or gender studies.

If you cant pay for it, die.

Ive got mine, everyone else can fucking die right fucking now.

Personally, I see the idea of making college accessible to everyone as a waste when you consider the amount of problems that need to be first corrected in the public education system.

I've been working as a middle grade teacher intern for a while now and I've had to work with eighth grade students who can't do subtracting negative numbers, had to analyze student's work and note how despite being in the eighth grade, many of them are reading in grade levels more appropriate for elementary school, and all sorts of other problems the students are having academically.

For every person that would be able to take advantage of a free college education, there will probably be twenty or more who try going to college, can't even get past their very first classes with a passing grade, and end up just wasting time and money as a result.

>Universal healthcare
Yes. I think private healthcare is just companies gambling against the health the nation and needing to win in order to stay profitable, which is a bad thing. Even though people with shitty jobs who can't afford private healthcare don't necessarily DESERVE to make more than what the market has valued their labor, I do think they at least deserve to be kept healthy and alive for what they provide to society.

>universal college
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
First off, it's a waste of time and money for enough people as it already is and would just devalue a college degree even further. Second, universities are far too ideologically charged and it would essentially amount to sending each and every person in america to SJW training camp, which is probably why they want it so bad. We need to find out a way to educate and train people for the real world in LESS time than it already takes, not add 4 more years onto standard education.

No.

It's the state's job to provide a legal framework for society to operate, not to cater to its every need.

healthcare, yes

college, sorta but there'd have to be some stipulations regarding it

>Does Sup Forums believe in Universal Healthcare, or College education?

Yes, these should be universally available to those willing to pay for it.

I'll pay for mine.
You pay for yours.

I guess there are possible alternative ways for the poor to get into college.

But, that would mean less people get educated and trained in white-collar jobs, which is becoming the main form of labour in the US and UK.

Meaning more people would need to rely on blue collar work which is already being outsourced/automated.

With more less skilled people in the market for blue collar jobs. As well as less blue collar being around, wouldn't that mean the western labour force needs to be reshaped to suit the needs of the 21st century.

Healthcare only for things that are neither self-inflicted nor work-related.
Education should only cover the native tongue and math. Rest should be publically available for free, but that can be accomplished with some servers and an online library for little money.

Bong, white-collar jobs are also being automated at a breakneck pace. Even easier than blue-collar since there's little hands-on work in them. In 10 years 90% of administrative jobs will be fucking GONE.

And it's not about the poor getting into collage, it's about making your own way in the world. If you're intelligent you don't need a day of collage to do well. Teach yourself programming.

So could that mean Technological utopianism/communism is a possibility?

Or a cyberpunk dystopia where 99.99% of people are simply unnecessery waste of space.