So how long will it be until Sup Forums officially flips back to centrist conservatism/fiscal libertarianism? Will it take the entirety of Trump's term or just until he ruins the economy?
How do we start pushing Stormfag/alt right/pro-fascists out? Surely we don't want to go full lib, but the doublethink is so deeply imbued into Sup Forums's zeitgeist now that it'll be hard to restore back to normalcy without forcing the dumb rhetoric out with yuge mobilization. What can we do to start stabilizing the discourse, or is Sup Forums so far gone that any attempts at breaking the groupthink will just be seen as the threadly iconoclast shitposting in a Trump thread?
Open to suggestions on building a restoration community in Sup Forums. The centrist correction has already started, but it can't die out.
It's really weird to see anti-fascism suddenly associated with anarchism. Alt right is really fast at propagating confusing information and discrediting ideas, and that's why it's so hard to push their rhetoric out of a community once its taken its roots.
Brody Butler
Guessing you weren't one of the two hundred and thirty.
Nathaniel Young
for examples of see Default association of ideas with criminals. Classic disinfo
Gabriel Gutierrez
>anti-fascism suddenly associated with anarchism.
Black bloc retards waving anarchy flags around surely had nothing to do with it, right?
Christian Cruz
>evolution is a discredited idea
Thomas Clark
Are you saying the idea of a "black bloc" is inherently anti-fascists? What? Black bloc is just a term for a group of protesters who choose to group signal with the color black. Mussolini's Blackshirt paramilitary wing is one example, whose sole purpose was to fight anti-fascists (the actual term Mussolini's regime used for dissenters).
What's your point here? The alt right/pro-fascist movement is very obviously pushing the idea that dumb anarchists are actually antifas in order to discredit dissent against the once again rising fascist movement in the US and around the world.
Benjamin Anderson
>OP
Colton Collins
Treating any antifascist as either or seems to be the default, go to misdirect for ARPF (alt right/pro fascist since it's getting annoying to type out). "Antifascist" is literally the entire rest of the spectrum once you leave the far, far authoritarian right. When you dissect how many more ideologies that includes besides "SJW Liberals" and "Anarchobabies", it's pretty clear to see the underlying rhetoric pushing
The question is, how do you stop it?
Ayden Anderson
Don't you have bins to burn?
Nolan Ramirez
fake news
Xavier Parker
>Treating any antifascist as either or seems to be the default
Gee, I wonder why?
Robert Rivera
all i can think when seeing this video is [autistic screeching]
lmao
Asher Gonzalez
>Are you saying the idea of a "black bloc" is inherently anti-fascists?
It isn't, but neither is swastika inherently a nazi symbol, but let's not kid ourself that people using it today in Europe and US are peace loving Hindus.
Wyatt Campbell
>antifa talk about lmao
Brody Flores
never cause you're still a faggot crying over an election. your whole movement is beta as fuck. BTFO
Ayden Robinson
Kill yourself.. We are here to stay
Jonathan Anderson
Because it's really easy to conflate your oppositions' ideology with the least desirable, unrelated but similarly aligned ideologies?
A decent point, but a written symbol and the use of color signalling are really two different things. Written symbols are much more static in their meaning once established, even when being repurposed. Color signalling is much more fluid in representation. Thanks for responding with at least a coherent comment though.
Anti fascists just oppose fascism. Fascism is bad for a country's economy, military, education, identity, infrastructure, etc. It just doesn't work. You can look at any attempted fascist country to see that. The global community doesn't respond to it well, and this is a globalist world. Fascism has to be stomped out for the good of the country. Conservatism is great, liberalism has its value but fascism is a dead ideology.
Cooper Parker
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Jose Barnes
wew I really fucked up this post. I wrote out that last paragraph before responding to and misplaced it
Daniel Young
Antifa are domestic terrorists!
Jayden Howard
There's no way back. There is only the way forward
Centrism in an insane era is itself insane
Owen Jones
Saving this for later, when trumps import export policies will multiply US wealth by several magnitudes.
MAGA.
You can then buy your black boots and tendies - but only if they are MADE IN AMERICA, MOTHERFUCKER.
Michael Perez
I will fight commies until I die. Fuck you. Not even a fascist.
Nathaniel Russell
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Christian Foster
So just in review:
these are anarchists
these are anarchists
this is a fat crying woman
This is a white dude knocking out another white dude
These are dweebs
This is an "anarchist"
Does anyone see how hard ARPFs are pushing the idea that anti-fascism is "bad" or to use an alt right term, cuck, by associating it with SJW and silly anarchists? This is the most obvious use of misdirect in the book. It would be so easy to push ARPF off the board if people who don't like the idea of fascism could just start pointing these out.
Ryder Peterson
Conservatism works when you like what youre trying to conserve. Its irrelevant in our current situation because we need to roll back the clock so far it might as well be called "revolutionary"
Colton Hernandez
they are all leftists
Landon Cox
Sup Forums was never about centrist cuckservatism, and "fiscal libertarianism" and "muh free market" has nothing to offer the average person.
Christopher Rivera
But user, you can fight commies AND fascists. They have an incredible amount in common, and really only differ in economic policy (and even then, not so much). Commies and fascists alienate the same people at the end of the day. We have to push back against extreme ideologies.
Kevin Morris
You faggots will be lynched very soon. Your brothers are going to be ravaged in the asshole in prison for ten years straight by the niggers you think you're defending.
This isn't western Europe you pathetic troglodytes.
Adam White
>antifa have any of the fat women let you touch them yet? no? why are you pretending to care, then?
Kayden Murphy
Sup Forums well never flip as long as Antifa threads are posted here constantly. You constantly reinforce that no one wants to be like you with your childish behavior. As long as you post these threads, people here will resist you. You don't change hearts and minds with threats of violence and empty threats, all that gets you is hate.
Brandon Hall
>the year of our lord 2016 >not being ancap
ancap is the official Sup Forums ideology
Dominic Hall
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Chase Thompson
>I'm so anti-establishment so let's beat up random working-class whites (who are hated and smeared as Nazis by the establishment), and hate my own race (which the establishment wants to disappear)
Antifa is the most pathetic group I can think of. Anti-white leftists are bad enough, but antifa takes it to another level of autism.
Luke Miller
>until he ruins the economy?
Brody Morales
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Aiden Mitchell
This. Sup Forums has always been a mix of ancap, ironic nazis, unironic nazis, and some libertardians.
Asher Morgan
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Jack Sanders
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Anthony Clark
>T-Those are not antifa, I swear!
Yah, just like Sup Forums is not alt-right either. Sup Forums is just a bunch of neets with different views, is what you're saying, hmm?
Am I right?
Isaiah Parker
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Kayden Sanders
>Sup Forums was never about fiscal libertarianism
How new are you?
Jason Evans
This is your average antifa online group.
Thomas Diaz
Fascism isn't revolutionary though. It doesn't change the status quo. All it changes is the ability for the people of a country to control the state.
look at this guy trying to conflate dumb ancap with anti fascism
kek
Anti-fascism has nothing to do with race. Fascism is not inherently white. Nice try mixing in irrelevant identity politics tho bud.
Most of the "deals" Trump brokered before being sworn in were deals that has been underway for years (Sprint, Boeing, etc)
Well, I guess if you've been on Sup Forums since 2014 it would seem like that to you, wouldn't it?
Jackson Ortiz
8 YEARS Y E A R S
Owen Young
>Anti fascists just oppose fascism. Self-described antifascists are very often extreme leftists. Fascism is indeed a dead ideology and it seems like only adherents of another dead idelogy have a stake in fighting it, but as there's not many actual fascists around they will smear and attack any kind of nationalist movement. If you're not a leftoid than you should probably find yourself another label or fight fascism by arguing for better solutions.
Oliver Anderson
Your fucking OP picture is a man assaulting someone else, stop being a disingenuous cunt and just admit what you want. This isn't fucking facebook, we know where extreme movements lead to.
Stop being a kike and admit you want violence, you'll probably attract more autist Sup Forums LARPers if you do so.
Jack Johnson
Sup Forums is whatever the hell I want it to be.
Fuck off.
Jaxon Johnson
Communism is a crime against humanity.
Mason Ward
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Cameron Hall
>Anti-fascism has nothing to do with race. Fascism is not inherently white. Nice try mixing in irrelevant identity politics tho bud.
Anti-fascism's slogan is quite literally "good night, white pride".
It's a bunch of brainwashed communists paid by Jews like George Soros to hate their own kind, and target anyone who advocate white interests.. You're not fooling anyone retard.
Elijah Reed
I see the alt right internet defense force is out today
The only people who try to label anti fascism as "a bunch of angry lefties" are either the same people threatened by anti fascism, or those severely confused by fascist propaganda.
A dead nazi a day keeps the state in array
Hunter Morris
Just thought I'd pop in to let you know I beat up one of you anti-fa faggots at the protests in Portland
Nobody gets to riot and vandalize my streets and my community and get away with it
I didn't even vote for Trump but you anti-fa(ggots) are weak and can't fight for shit.
sage
Josiah Cruz
>lmao
Nathaniel Powell
Pretty much this.
Antifa is a collection of radical leftists that wish to violently strip away the rights off of everyone who is white, middle class, graduated high school and has or wishes to have children.
They are terrorists. Plain and simple.
Aaron Green
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Asher Moore
have any of the fat women let you touch them yet? no? why are you pretending to care, then?
Noah Scott
why do you want anarchy?
Anthony Powell
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Aaron Long
>a dead nazi a day keeps the state in array
so setting shit on fire is your answer?
Brayden Clark
have any of the fat women let you touch them yet? no? why are you pretending to care, then?
White pride is very commonly a precursor to fascism, but that's because for some reason our people really love fascism. However, anti fascism isn't targeting of whites in general. White pride isn't white people.
you're eating up the propa goyim
anarchists aren't anti fascists by nature. Just association by similar interests in some regards. Anarchists are as anti fascism as they are anti conservatism and anti liberalism. They're just whiners that don't like being told what to do.
Luis Scott
LOLWUT I was visiting pol like ten years ago and it was National Socialist then and it will be National Socialist forever. When it is no longer natsoc it is no longer pol.
Die faggot.
pic related.
Luis Garcia
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Nicholas Scott
a: no, but they're nearly as dumb
Jeremiah Gomez
Nazis died with the Nazis. You are assaulting innocent people.
Have you ever wondered if your raids hurt the wrong people out of miscommunication?
Hunter Sanders
Ron Paul was the best anti-establishment right-wing option, doesn't mean his libertarian economic stance is why most people supported him. I mean this is the guy who had to go up on stage during a debate and say if a poor person was uninsured, they should be let to die on the streets.
He was a paleoconservative, wanted to audit the (((Fed))), wanted to stop retarded wars in the Middle-East for the Jews, and was the best anti-globalist option. He even met with Don Black at one point.
Also he had his old Ron Paul newsletters which created a bit of a controversy. Libertarians supported him, but they weren't the only one.
Ethan Walker
Don't call me goyim, that's racist you prick.
Julian Kelly
>for some reason our people really like fascism
We are not "your people". We don't let prostitutes poop on us for 20K :)
Justin Gutierrez
/po/ wasn't around ten years ago m8
the idea that nazis were the first or last fascists is amusing but unfortunately wrong
there's nothing wrong with a little humor every now and then. Are you SJW?
Lucas Richardson
>no true scotsman Antifa is composed of communist NEETS, anarchist morons and drug addicts coerced into fighting with drug money.
Daniel Powell
>So how long will it be until Sup Forums officially flips back to centrist conservatism/fiscal libertarianism?
Sup Forums was never that. it was racist libertarians.
Christian Collins
Blame it on yourselves fags. You run the fucking world into a cesspoll of censorship and fear. You made identity politics the norms so you could cover your insecurities.
You proved that you are just as bad as the "fascist"(normal people) you keep "fighting" (bullying). At least now you shown your true colors with all those anarchist fags trying to impose comunism and shit.
This shit is all cause of you pushing to hard to the left and pray to god the establishment doesnt swing back at you cause right now laws and fear of consequnces is the only thing holding the masses.
I pray to god we dont push it to much to the right again.
Owen Ramirez
how dare you accuse me of being german
Christian Bell
>anti fascism as "a bunch of angry lefties"
Whether you like it or not that has been the case fro almost century now
>The first German movement to call itself Antifaschistische Aktion was proclaimed by the German Communist Party (KPD) in their newspaper Rote Fahne in 1932 and had its first rally in Berlin 10 July 1932. May 1932 the communist paramilitary organisation Rotfrontkämpferbund had been banned and after a fight between Nazi and Communist members of parliament the Antifaschistische Aktion was created to ensure that the communists could have a militant organisation to rival the paramilitary organisations of the Nazis. After a forceful dissolution by the Nazis in 1933, the movement was revived during the 1980s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
> fascist propaganda. I'd like to see some examples.
Carson Murphy
LOLZ YOU GOT TRIGGERED
Julian Long
I love all those non arguments and everytime Antifa is shown being cancer you call them Anarchists.
John Bailey
>everyone here hates me >must be a concentrated effort to discredit my thread
Oh fuck off, we know you /leftypol/ fucks post 4/pol/ threads on your board that you "need assistance" with, when your arguments are shit. It's like going to a BLM March and get angry no one wants to reinstate slavery, people here aren't going to agree with you, that's why you have your own boards.
>How do we push the Stormfag/alt right/pro-facists out?
You dont. Sup Forums naturally became what it was after years of public events that shaped their views, such as Trayvon court case, Refugee Crisis, Trump campaign, and you fucks only are here to increase your political capital, not because you care about the "zeitgeist" of the board. You don't care about the website, and neither does 8/pol/ and /leftypol/, you just want our spot after Trump's win.
AA was not the first nor the last anti fascist group, and was actually more pro-commie than anti fascist. They were just a reaction to national socialism. Good try tho. As for example of fascist propoganda, t. half of the shitposts in this thread by "antifas are cucks" spammers
Hudson Stewart
is this real life?
Matthew Davis
In 2012 this board supported Ron Paul in the primaries. When he lost this board switched to supporting Mitt Romney and was convinced he was going to win. Neo nazi larping has always been apart of the boards culture but lets not sit here and act like libertarianism and conservative beliefs were never the predominate ideologies here.
Nolan Hill
>white people love fascism >meanwhile the most free countries in the world are white
Fuck off. You don't fight Islamists or anyone else with fascist ideals, it's only white people who stand up for their people. You're a coward. Go kick over some trash cans ;)
Ayden Thompson
>White pride is very commonly a precursor to fascism
Then maybe it isn't so bad after all?
Thanks for showing me the light, antifa. I am now a fascist.
Tyler Evans
Yeah.
Caleb Roberts
well the reason for that is because they overlap in broad areas
>antifa against "right winged government" aka everything right from communists or groups viewed in such way by them against police or any kind of law enforcement (they are fascists) usually anti racists (read anti white)
>anarchsits against any government against police or any kind of law enforcement usually anti racist (read anti white)
>communists against any right winged government (fascists) against police in right winged government (because the are fascists)
>blackblock conglomeration of everything that fits in the above, just wearing black and hiding behind masks.
Justin Hall
We are here and we are not going anywhere you will get the rope traitor.
Brayden Collins
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Carson Perez
it's fun seeing a thrall of the groupthink go out of their way to rationalize what's happening. You're assuming I'm from some dusty 8ch board in here for an "ebin raid" and not just some guy that wants to see some normalcy return to Sup Forums's dialogue? Think again pal. Feel free to point out all of my "leftypol bros" coming in to support me.
As an anti-fascist I'm very against authoritarian regimes in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia. What makes you think I'm not?
This is largely correct, except for the part about anti fascists being anti-police. So why, if it's clearly outlined in your post that they're not the same thing but end up having overlapping similarities by coincidence, does alt right push the idea that anti fascism is the same as anarcucky or SJW liberalism?
did you open your poster stereotype meme folder and pick one at random
Nathaniel Thomas
>white pride isn't white people >white people aren't supposed to have pride Well, at least we got that out of the way.
- Benito Mussolini was a socialist and a communist. He called himself the "Lenin of Europe." - Fascism has only ever occurred in one country, Italy, from 1925 to the 1940's. Despite this, antifaggots uses the claim of fighting fascism to justify their masked criminal behavior. - Modern antifaggots is an international criminal organization that commits assaults, destroys private property, and undermines the rights and privacy of citizens from over a dozen nations around the world. - Many members of antifaggots are violent drug offenders, radicals, anarchists, communists, and socialists.
Aiden Campbell
at least fascism lets you keep an identity. it's really not so bad if you're not a raging degenerate.
Ian Perez
>Guy with anarchsit flag calls himself Antifa-scist OP: "I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THE 'ALT-RIGHT' IS CONFUSING THE TWO"
