"(((Climate Change)))"

Everytime we have such a thread you stupid sheeps argue endlessly while overlooking the obvious.
It does not matter if climate change is real or not, or if you like how your taxes are spent or not. All this debate is accomplishing is that you and everyone else is kept busy, while ignoring the real problems like pollution and deforestation.

Who cares if we are at fault for +-2°C in the comming century? We should tackle the problems we see already. Just take a look at China or India to see who bad things can get if these are left unattended.
So stop these useless neverending shit threads about climate change and be aware of the real problems that threaten our world and the future of humanity.

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A bumb in the hope that you stupid goys won't be held down anymore

>consensus is climate change is real
>calls Sup Forums sheep for not following consensus

Please google sheep - Sage

But how will you enslave yourself to the globalists if you don't accept Agenda 21?

>melting of the ice caps
>rising sea levels
>desertification
>acidification of the oceans
Those are just some issues that are directly related with climate change. What you are basically saying is that we should let it happen and deal with this problems later on, as if it were easier to do that. Treat the symptoms not the disease.

I am talking about the constant threads made on Sup Forums that are back and forth for the entire time and don't reach a constructive goal.
It is known that there are payed shills in here so it is not farfetched to asume that some keep people busy with this shit

fagget

No I am not. I am in favor of fixing that but unconstructive arguing here won't help.
I believe we should start smaller. Desertification is something that is primarly caused by wrong land use and deforestation. Temperature only plays a small part in these so we should focus instead on fixing the things that doen't need compleate global cooperation. Just teach them how to properly reforestate areas for example. This way the climate is helped alot aswell.
same thing with plastic in the oceans or heavy metals in soil.

this is one of the few real problems .

life as you know it can only exist in a small range of temperatures , too higt or too low and you are death. climated change threats this .

Thank you for not even reading my post. This is exactly what I am saying.

Germany you are quite welcome to pursue renewables because you have no cheap access to fossil fuels. Why would the rest of us bother? That would be fucking stupid of us. We wait until places like you get the technology to a point that it is as efficient as our fossils and then we switch. The rest is just a globalist control system, a new way to tax everyone and everything - its over, the globalists have lost.

The person who drew that comic has no conception of opportunity cost and as such their opinions when it comes to policy should be instantly discarded

Plants are basically in a CO2 famine right now.

We are at amongst the lowest atmospheric CO2 levels in 4.5 billion years.

We are at 400ppm. Most of the time the earth has had an atmosphere CO2 levels are more like 2000-3000 on average. Its been as high as 10,000+ ppm when there were dinos running around.

Photosynthesis stops around 180ppm

More CO2=more plants, more life on earth.

And here we have those responsible for this constant cyclejerk. Diddn't read to post but still gonna post the same copypasted shit you'vee seen a dozen times already

You can say what you want, talk climate shit all you want, I will ride my bike, drive my car, and never, EVER, buy a new car.

Low test fagget wage slave plebs do it, because that's literally the ONLY "choice" in life they have, and they project all of their pathetic existence via their new emasculated self-driving fagget shitbox.

Not me.

Climate change, ice caps melting? Too bad.

I'll stop driving when you take all the gas stations away. Probably.

I will never recycle, never separate trash, never play those faggot games. Fuck you.

>better world at the point of a gun
fuck off, authoritarian cuck

Now prove any of that has shit to do with humans.

Just look at China or India? We already have the clean tech that's why we don't have those problems in the first world you Al Gore felating faggot, KYS

>We already have the clean tech that's why we don't have those problems
We only outsourced the pollution so far and we still have problems like to loss of farmable land

Christ you are fucking savage.

When the people at the top are clearly lying to you while engaging in dubious shit that they aren't explaining, i.e. multiple visits to Antarctica by world leaders, followed by more doubling down on muh carbon and co2, you need to question everything that is being fed to you by them.
If the world leaders are melting portions of the ice to get to something under it, what good is throwing money at muh carbon and co2? It's a money pit. A distraction. A scapegoat. Low information people love a scapegoat. It gives them something to blame, but it doesn't treat the "disease" nor does it treat the "symptoms."
It's a fucking placebo. A sugar pill.
We need something definitive and therein lies the problem. None of these fuckers have given us anything definitive regarding it. Just a smokescreen that's good enough to fool the low information, gullible, people who fall for the cult of personality and the appeal to authority.
It is absolutely mindboggling how many people claim to be anti-authoritarian, but they get their cues from talking heads on twitter and other social media.

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>real problems that threaten our world and the future of humanity.
That conveniently require massive government control in order to combat
Which is Lefties solution to literally everything

When the only tool you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

Fuck off with your commie bullshit.

Ecological preservation was a bipartisan fucking issue before retards in the Democratic party decided to brand themselves as THE environmentalist party by way of increased taxes and government programs while retards in the Republican party decided to say fuck environmentalism instead of offering an alternative.

Hopefully Trump figures it out, but I doubt it. There are smart ways to preserve the environment without raising taxes.

I never said that the governments should asume compleate control.
What I want is that people here stop shitposting and start to do something or at least aknowledge the fact that there is something that needs to be done. This can of course be outside of government control.

Regardless of how you see climate change, people can agree that the modus operandi of the regime is to seize the perception of crisis to further their own agendas.

Should climate change (presuming it to be real, as a thought experiment at least for those who disagree) be met with carbon taxes? Or is there a better way?

It turns out we can solve climate change for less than $100/person, less than estimated annual carbon taxes. After outlining such a solution, we know that the regime's carbon tax policy is a fraud and more importantly have in hand objective criteria by which to prove this to others.

No. What I'm saying that the major players in this issue is not the first world. Coincidentally, it seems that the first world is the group getting the most fucked by high paid environmental associations.

>create a better world for nothing
>waste billions of dollars
>live on inferior energy alternatives

How much material is required for a sun shade that blocks 2% of the solar intensity (enough to completely reverse any hypothetical global warming)?

Only about 20 million tonnes.

With a space elevator in hand, our cost to deliver payloads to space drops to about $1/kg.

We can construct the sunshade out of thin wire mesh of pretty much any material, aluminum for example, which costs about $1/kg.

In other words, a sunshade would only run us about $100B inclusive of material, construction, and launch costs.

A one time tax of $15 per person in the world is enough to undo global warming if you have a space elevator.

A one time tax of $100 per person is enough to build a space elevator and then build a sunshade.

And most importantly, all of this is cold, hard objective fact. Nothing to dispute. So next time global warming comes up, pick wisely between the two:

(1) circle jerk in the Overton window
(2) talk about how can solve it all for a one time fee of $100/person, rendering permanently obsolete this political wedge

Is it possible to build a space elevator today?

Yes:

youtube.com/watch?v=0qezLhypA0Y

The key idea is the Orbital Ring version of the space elevator, not the geosynchronous tether concept you are familiar with.

See, for example, Paul Birch's writings:

orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-I.pdf

The orbital ring only requires tethers about 300 kilometers long which is technically feasible with common material like steel, but ridiculously straightforward with better and already available material like kevlar.

There are some important questions. First, how much would it cost to do something like this?

We need to send about 160 million kilograms of material into space (See Birch's boot strap estimates in part 2: orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-II.pdf)

We have rockets available at $2000/kg costs to LEO today in "mass production" mode, which is only about 10-20 launches per year. Compared with the couple thousand launches necessary for a space elevator, $2000 is an unreasonably high upper bound for launch costs.

We also need to include the cost of materials. A space elevator is about 98% steel and aluminum, 1% kevlar, and 1% other such as superconducting magnets. Most of the mass (98%) cost around $1/kg, with an average cost per kilogram of no more than about $10 per kilogram.

Summing the above up, we get about $430 billion in launch costs plus another $1-2 billion in material costs.

In other words, we can have a space elevator for less than $450 billion - significantly less than one year worth of DoD spending, one bank bailout, many times less than a variety of pointless wars, etc. This is well within our reach financially in other words.

What do we get in return for this $450 billion investment?

Virtually unlimited value. For example, with a space elevator we can reliably launch our nuclear waste into the sun. We've spent $100 billion building a waste repository in Nevada, but it was ultimately decided not to even use it. Now it costs only a dollar or two per kilogram to get rid of all of the nuclear waste in the world.

Second, we have immediate access to viable asteroid mining industry. Because the cost of delivering payloads to LEO drops to about $1/kilogram, we can not retrieve asteroids with trillions of dollars worth of minerals for mere tens millions of dollars in addition to having an easy viable way of returning those resources back to the surface.

We acquire the ability to deploy profitable solar power in orbit above cloud cover and with the ability to return said power back to the surface with near zero loss by running power transmission cables down the elevator.

Just how profitable?

With increased luminosity in space, enhanced exposure time, and the ability to deliver base loads, solar panels pay for themselves in only 1-2 years while having a 20 year life time.

In other words, if you put $5 trillion of solar panels into space, you get your $5 trillion back by the end of year two and a $5 trillion income stream each year thereafter.

In other words, the US could cut everyone's taxes, both personal and business, income, capital, death, or otherwise, all to 0%, not even cut any benefits or current spending, and pay off the national debt within a decade.

Everyone knows what we need to do its not a fucking secret.

Theres already more carbon in the atmosphere than we can handle. Even if we stopped all production now we are fucked.

We find a way to get the shit out of the air or we die. Simple as that.

Our only hope is if capitalistic innovation saves the world, yet again.

It should already be obvious that the entirety of the political debate spectrum is cointelpro.

Are taxes too high or too low? Irrelevant, we don't actually need taxes.

Is social spending bankrupting us? Irrelevant, we can retire the national debt without cutting spending all while having no tax whatsoever.

What does this have to do with taking the red pill?

We've had the technological ability to undertake such a project for decades.

That means all the squabbling you have heard your entire life, money, debt, spending, taxes, scarcity, whatever, is all bullshit. Not only is it bullshit, anyone with rudimentary knowledge of the world has known that it is all bullshit for all of this time.

In other words, once you come to understand the such a project is and has been technically feasible for decades, you have to reevaluate many things.

Why is there nothing of this in the conspiracy media? They are not really trying to expose or solve any problems. One hundred percent of it is cointelpro. From the Young Turks to Infowars or whatever, they are all completely full of shit because solutions to our problems not only exist, are easy to carry out, but this has been the case for a very long time.

Similarly, you now know that 20%+ annual GDP growth is possible. If Trump gives you 3-4% instead of Obama's 2%, he is simply working with the establishment to try to placate and subvert a rising tide. If we see the easily achievable 20%+ growth rates, it is at least possible that he isn't a subversive. Anything less and you know he is a fraud.

Climate change is a Jew hoax, just another brainwashing tool to make you hate yourself

the world still needs petroleum-based energy, it's wonderful for rich West Hollywood liberals to advocate for solar and wind but if India tried to switch to green energy then millions, if not tens of millions would starve and die

>It does not matter if climate change is real or not
Yeah! Let's funnel TRILLIONS of dollars into the hands of leftists and their sham green energy corporations for NO REASON. Let's hike takes on every citizen and company in the entire west to pay for A COMPLETE LIE. All those tiny brown socialist countries looking for "ecological reparations" from "industrialized nations" should be handed billions of dollars no questions asked BECAUSE OF A HOAX.

I mean, it doesn't matter, right?