When did Sup Forums turn from Ron Paul loving Libertarians to Statist Neo Nazis?

When did Sup Forums turn from Ron Paul loving Libertarians to Statist Neo Nazis?

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Nobody was really thinking too much about immigration in 2008

When the left lost their minds in the west, centrists were pushed to the right.

Did pol in 2008 realize that walls weren't for keeping people out but to keep us in?

When the jews started pushing diversty and race mixing hard.

This is me.

being on Sup Forums is just a never-ending search for what is counter-culture

When the stormies invaded and convinced the liberals of the time to swallow the race realism pill

when immigration became the hot topic and all the top ones were claiming "open borders" is the libertarian position.

When both parties slandered and destroyed the Tea Party movement.

1 Sup Forums grew up
2 we were always libertarian natsocs
3 Sup Forums wants to raise a family, not memes,
4 roads

unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/02/from-mises-to-carlyle-my-sick-journey.html
Everything you need right here.
>libertarianism really is a great idea
>if you've got the kind of people who can work it
>let's make sure everyone that drags the system down for everyone else gets their face pushed in
>and make sure anyone who wants to move here for gibs can't

This

They've been talking about gender neutral bathrooms instead of stimulating job growth and wage growth

They want to import unlimited migrants to replace you

They are insane

When I realized libertarians are too pussy to win

I've been meeting more and more conservative Australians. Out of curiosity, what do you mean when you said that the left "lost their minds"?

>libertarian natsocs
We're either one or the other

>2 we were always libertarian natsocs

Oxymoronic. The state is either large and militarist or it isn't.

>4 roads

Oh god, the muh roads shit.

Because it was full of nut jobs like Sarah Palin. I still support Ron Paul.

>roads

Valid point

Third world immigration and the effects thereof

Why the fuck do you want a family, because it's what society says to do? Fuck that stupid shit.

When obama n crew redpilled us!!!

When we got treaded on

If you stop the welfare state, they will stop coming.

It took us a while but we slowly realized that roads were a good thing

>3 Sup Forums wants to raise a family, not memes
biggest flat out lie i have ever seen in my entire life

We joined the political world wide eyed and naive. We believed in principles, compromise and tolerance but we were unable to maintain that outlook in the face of leftist abuse. The enemy has shown us time and time again that they are not to be negotiated with, they are to be defeated.

Libertarianism is the goal. Authoritarianism is the method

wtf do I know im just a leaf

No, it wasn't. I went to the rallies, these were honest hard working people who had valid economic concerns.

The media made it about certain celebrity individuals and then slandered the whole movement as Nazis.

They got pissed. So the next time they decided to drive a bulldozer into D.C.

>Libertarian
>Natsocs

Found the deranged lunatic

even back in 2008 there was people against libertarian retards who wanted open borders. i was saying civic nationalism is the way to go and Libertarianism is a poison pill that globalist want.

i'm just glad ancap retards got btfo and civic nationalism won.

yes yes this

required reading for pol

>When did Sup Forums turn from Ron Paul loving Libertarians to Statist Neo Nazis?

Someone bring up the snek cartoon with the political grid.

>Because everyone hates roads

Look, ok since the muh roads shit has come up a lot. The reason the state builds roads is because the state makes it so that they can only build roads.

A private company could seriously build toll roads, we pay taxes and then have to double pay a toll for most of them anyway.

This is more of an ANCAP argument anyway not Libertarians, we aren't anarchists there could be fucking roads in a libertarian society.

Honestly.. Pol is just liberal hate.. everyone is done with the hate of liberals in mind.. nothing is done without wanting it to piss off and hurt lefties and liberals. there is no logic or reasoning or politicl motive.. its just to piss off the PC left.

I'm a liberal, and it's pretty surprising to hear that this is what conservatives think of me. If anything, we've been laughing at the conservatives who keep drafting actual bathroom legislation.

I spend a lot of time thinking about / discussing the economy. In my experience, the left thinks of it in terms of strengthening our social safety net and retraining workers-- Not trying to recreate the market conditions of prior decades.

>civic nationalism
magic dirt! that's the ticket

This time the leaf is right.

The left did it with their Salami-Slice strategy.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salami_tactics

I'm not saying we should have open borders, it's just ending the welfare state will do more to deport illegals than having a nazi border wall state.

Yup. Same here.

>culture, society, history, and community are magic dirt!!!
retard

...

when King Nigger revealed that racial groups will always legislate for their own interests, and we realized Libertarianism (at least the Ron Paul type) is a terrible solution to that problem.

when the left went from
>fuck rich people and corporations
to
>ooga booga get whitey

underrated comment

>poor subhuman degenerates don't exist in poor countries
NO. WRONG. being poor doesn't make people leave or do anything except start committing crime. all open borders mean is lots of 3rd world scums come here and commit crimes and create slums.

you may not live in reality but even if america government dissolved tomorrow people would still come here simply because the fucking name and what it meant previously.

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> In my experience, the left thinks of it in terms of strengthening our social safety net and retraining workers-- Not trying to recreate the market conditions of prior decades.

But that's wrong you fucking idiot.

You put millions out of work in clean coal and then offered them welfare. Then bernie comes along and says he'll give you more free shit. Where's the retraining?

And fuck off with the safety net shit. That's not the job of the govermsnt. I don't want any damn handouts and you can't take mine to give to idiots who can't provide for themselves

Meant for him

The Ron Paul era was classic. But it lacked practicality. Around 2012 we started pushing white nationalism. Moot actually assisted it by having ideology flags including a NSDAP flag. I bet you weren't even around for that. The massive disproportion of a huge number of Nazi flags compared to a tiny number of libertarian flags probably did more than anything to blow the libertarians the fuck off of this board. But I personally enjoyed the Nazi-libertarian alliance. I couldn't find the Nazi-libertarian meme, sorry.

This. Opposition to identity politics has really made some strange bedfellows.

You're right free money does that and you can get free money as an illegal here.

Nobody is saying that America should be a hotel but if you cut welfare and get rid of minimum wage nobody would come here because the freebees would stop.

/thread

We wanted Ron Paul to win 2012 but the kyke controlled media and establishment parties wouldn't have it. Trump has a good message of nationalism, so we put up with his pro kykeness.

nice history there, totally agree

the flags was one of the big things, I forgot. Almost everyone had either the swastika or nationalist cross

based Moot, he was directly responsible for the rise of white nationalism in America, and the election of Donald Trump, and he probably never had a single clue what he was doing.

Libertarianism fuels degeneracy.

I hope, but I doubt the authoritarians will give up their power.

Since the SJW's cut their balls off and made them cry.

>he was directly responsible for the rise of white nationalism in America

Literally a 15 year old trap with an anime fetish created this timeline.

What a wild ride.

We're still here.

After Trump makes enough authoritarian styled decisions this board will start becoming more liberty leaning.

>Inb4 muh roads and borders

butterfly effect and all that. crazy

This

I remember that.

I want my Texas flag back.

We were naive and believed in the good of men. That if you left men alone, by and large they could handle themselves.

Now we see the error of our ways. The world is filled to the brim with the incapable and the unwilling. Taint can only be stomped out with the boot of the righteous. We have forgone our selfish free for all ways and now uphold values in a world that has lost them, or rather, likely never had them in the first place.

The economic crisis deepened and developments resulting from US imperialism and reckless immigration/labor policies, as well as political marginalization, led to an exaggeration of existing authoritarian tendencies. I got "redpilled" a little, too. I got better, partly because I'd already tossed out Austrianism.

A big shift came sort of near gamer gate. Then Russia started hiring shills to post here.

Shills please go unless you start paying me.

>these mental gymnastics

Coal mining is going away. Mining coal will never again an entire generation of workers like it did in the 1950's. This is due to the decreasing costs of renewables.

Cut all the taxes you want, but renewables aren't going away. The only option is to educate the next generation of coal miners and prepare them to participate in a technology-driven economy.

Of the two parties, which do you think is more pro-education?

Yep, that's the case for me with regard to the following issues;

>immigration
Migrant invaders OUT. Muslims OUT.

>free trade
Heavily tax Chinese steel and plastic.

>death penalty (expedited, without appeal)
Death row is reserved for cases in which only forensic evidence is available. Horrific crimes committed within full view of many witnesses (with forensics), or incontrovertible video evidence, should have no right of appeal to the death penalty.

>multiculturalism
The host culture should be compulsory. Immigrants MUST send their children to state schools, foreign languages are NOT accommodated, foreign religions are NOT accommodated immigrants will be divided in education to prevent like-with-like bonds. Assimilation above all.

>freedom of religion
Construction of new mosques completely banned, annual mosque inspection and vetting of Imams performed at the expense of the mosque's trust. Mosque trusts proven to have a money-trail with a foreign donor will be immediately condemned and demolished.

There is no such thing. Its all white noise

/thread

> Pro education
> Public school system

Being pro-public schools (and incidently pro teachers union) is not the same thing as pro education. Very little educating goes on in most public schools. Lots of authoritarian feminist indoctrination, lots of standardized testing, lots of bullshit college prep, but no actual life skills.

When the left turned from subtly being anti-white in the shadows & discreetly socialist, to full-blown openly advocating white genocide, Marxism, and the destruction of the western world.

All the terror attacks & Islamic migrants displacing Europeans was pretty much the icing on the cake. And the men-hating post-gamergate shit, violent attacks against Trump supporters during the election season, and MTV/Salon/Being Liberal/Buzzfeed/Huffpo calling every white man the greatest evil to ever walk the Earth was the cherry on top.

While I think your views on Islam are misguided, I actually really agree with you on >multiculturalism. This is why public education is key. The longer we continue down this path of charter schools, the more large groups of unassimilated immigrants we'll end up with.

Since the entire left went full retard and started claiming anyone that doesn't agree with them is a neo nazi.

>decreasing cost of renewables
you know that's literally just a lie, right? they don't factor in government subsidies - renewables will not displace fossil fuels.

renewables are basically just a meme until we figure out a completely new grid system. as long as we have to deliver all of our capacity on demand with no economical options for energy storage at a large scale, renewables are useless. wind/solar cannot be counted as baseline or surge generation capacity and will never meaningfully displace energy sources that can.

Still around

Well, I went to public schools and I learned a lot. But I will admit they aren't consistent between districts. This is something that could be fixed with more equitable funding from the top down.

Standardized tests are indeed garbage, but remember, that happened during the Bush years.

How do you propose we fix education? Charter schools don't seem to be producing better outcomes.

No, renewables are not a lie. Grid-scale energy storage is only gaining momentum. This just happened: electrek.co/2017/01/23/tesla-mira-loma-powerpack-station-southern-california-edison/

Keep in mind that it doesn't have to be *cheap*, it just needs to be cheaper per watt than the cost of maintaining the entire coal mining / transportation infrastructure.

Open boarders don't work with 7.4 billion people.

Everyone will just become poor.

We say the Presidential nomination get stolen from Paul twice.

So we went more hardcore.

>While I think your views on Islam are misguided
Your muslim population is about 1%

Try 5%. Try 5% and growing. Try 5%, growing, and bolstered by funding and preaching from Saudi Arabia.

Try 5%, growing, foreign-funded, and every time you mention the foreign influence of a malevolent, dictatorial, theocracy you're accused of racism by the GOVERNMENT-CONTROLLED PRESS.

You have NO FUCKING IDEA how complacent you are being.

> (OP)
>Libertarianism is the goal. Authoritarianism is the method
>wtf do I know im just a leaf

Those two words are the opposite of one another

Stormfront, shills and newfag inability to distinguish ironic humor from genuine opinon.

When the Kremlin got its hooks into these useful idiots

Sup Forums is now an official Russian state asset

2015. Hoppean Libertarianism is 9/10 Fascism anyway.

> (OP)
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>> In my experience, the left thinks of it in terms of strengthening our social safety net and retraining workers-- Not trying to recreate the market conditions of prior decades.
>But that's wrong you fucking idiot.
>You put millions out of work in clean coal and then offered them welfare. Then bernie comes along and says he'll give you more free shit. Where's the retraining?
>And fuck off with the safety net shit. That's not the job of the govermsnt. I don't want any damn handouts and you can't take mine to give to idiots who can't provide for themselves

The oil industry put the coal industry out of business crybaby. Nat gas killed you fucks. It's cheaper, its cleaner. No one wants a filthy coal plant in their backyard.

Point taken. I bet you're much more likely to run into radical Islam than I am on any given day, and that sucks. I sympathize.

Still, demolishing mosques might have the opposite effect than you're hoping. And if your solution is to keep literally every muslim out of the country, I'm afraid that's not a realistic solution.

Look up the American Economic System, this revolution is a return to that system that we lost to our own detriment for 50 years

This. Tried turning the other cheek towards Leftists, got nowhere.

>"Gas the kikes, race war now"
>Ron Paul loving Libertarians

We've been both since the days of /new/.

This

>if your solution is to keep literally every muslim out of the country, I'm afraid that's not a realistic solution.
Why not? It's not exactly hard to tell them apart from white people.

pretty much this

Still have a soft spot for Ron Paul though.

By realizing that a state is necessary.

Sup Forums is like a think tank, sifting through ideas and stories, constantly evolving the ultimate ideological solution.

Biologically, humans are inherently tribalist, as it's evolutionarily advantageous to hold individuals with a shared genetic identity to a higher value than an individual that is more genetically distant. It's why you cherish your family first, then your people, and lastly, other groups.

Ethnonationalism combines the innate tribalist nature of man with the necessity of having a strong state. National socialism advocated for this idea, and it's the reason it's held with such high regards here.

>Coal mining is going away.

Good seppo, shut your coal mines, its going away, why bother wasting time and energy on a dead industry? Clean energy is all the way, don't forget to buy Australian coking coal for those windmills

[schemes blokishly] hehehehe stupid fuckin' seppos hehehehe

Couldn't agree more with this.

>Still, demolishing mosques might have the opposite effect than you're hoping
No, I'm hoping for EXACTLY the expected result, and when the inevitable happens, you ramp it up.

Declare a national emergency, deport every single foreign-born muslim immediately, and begin a NI-style clamp-down.

Condemn, seize, and demolish any mosque visited by anyone who became an insurgent, and imprison their owners. Seize the funds of people suspected of providing material/comfort to insurgents.

Keep at it until they fuck off. The Buddhists have demonstrated that reducing the muslim population is possible. You just need to use enough force.