Explain to me why Trump wants to get rid of net neutrality. It just doesn't make any sense at all...

Explain to me why Trump wants to get rid of net neutrality. It just doesn't make any sense at all. Does he realize that this would only benefit mainstream sites like CNN or YouTube while making everything else slower?

Trump only cares how fast people are able to read his tweets.

Being pro net neutrality only makes sense if buy into the idea that was started in the progressive era of government run monopolies. So if think that the government should run companies, that companies should be too big to fail, that the government should exclude people from doing business, you probably like net neutrality. If you think businesses should be free and independent you are probably against it.

He has ties to companies that would benefit financially

That's idiotic. Net neutrality has basis in anti-monopoly law, and has nothing to do with internet service providers being replaced by the feds.

All it does it legally stop ISPs from charging companies variable fees to access their traffic. Like when Comcast tried to throttle Netflix speeds to get them to cough up more cash.

I just want the internet to stay the same as it currently is. Don't fuck with what works. I don't care about the ideological garbage.

>Net neutrality has basis in anti-monopoly law

it has it's basis in continuing the traditional of government monopoly of internet services which exists on a municipal, state, and federal level.

for example, municipal governments give companies like verizon or comcast exclusive access to their infrastructure like telephone polls, pipes, sidewalks, easements, etc. State governments give special snowflake land use permits and even sometimes eminent domain to seize private property for use by telecom. The federal government does the same on federal property and even mandates control over any interstate communications.

And then they act surprised why no new ISP pop up. Because you don't let them and its enforced by law.

That has nothing to do with net neutrality though.

Seriously, what do you think net neutrality is?

You are very confused and frankly you should just stop talking before you embarrass yourself further.

it has to do with net neutrality because if you say you are against it people say your are an idiot and competition doesn't work. But competition isn't allowed by law. And enforcing net neutrality just further entrenches ISP monopolies. Part of the reason there is at least some variety in cell phone providers is due to their difference in plans. It's clear as day that allowing variety in ISP plans leads to more competition and more options.

Literally all Net Neutrality means is that ISPs have to treat all packets the same in priority and pricing.

Nothing that you're yapping about has anything to do with net neutrality.

Net neutrality has nothing to do with competition between various ISPs though.

Which is what is relevant in ISP monopolies

It has to do with the relationship between ISPs and owners of websites/internet utilizing services.

is right, you're just confused.

>that ISPs have to treat all packets the same in priority
which is retarded in and of itself because thats not how internet and its protocols work. any networking textbook will illustrate that.

I like the internet the way it currently works and I don't want it to change. What is so fucking hard to understand about that?

if that is where the argument for net neutrality ended it would be fine. But its also intertwined with common carrier, anti capitalism, and some voodoo networking to justify it by a lot of its proponents.

NN means there will ever be any new competition in the ISP market EVER. Market inefficiencies create opportunity, which creates competition. Yes, there are raw deals for short periods of time while these inefficiencies are created, but if you over legislate the current market situation, you lock it in FOREVER.

NN may promote competition between a few giant players, but there will NEVER be any new players in the ISP market.

We'll your in the minority, pal. Trump's view on this was well known and people still voted for him.

>Implying that anybody votes with NN as their primary issue

All I'm saying is stop fucking around with what works.

Not what net neutrality is about, not even remotely. It has nothing to do with ISP market share, but rather their relationship with other industries.

>Claiming Trump voters were the majority

I never asked for any new regulations. Just maintain the status quo. There isn't any problem that needs to be fixed. Keep things the way that they are.

Yes it does. It will be the side effect. You may think you understand the technology, but you don't understand how markets work

he won't do it, he'll be advised against it.
he knows the future is in the web, and he wants the next google, jewtube, kikebook, twatter to be created in America too.

it won't happen if he goes forward with it.

Well if you enforce net neutrality it will change how things are. The net is built upon things like peering, traffic shaping, QoS, over provisioning, and a lot of algorithms and protocols which intentionally discriminate packets will not be allowed.

>he'll be advised against it

By who? The person he picked to head the FCC is an avowed opponent of net neutrality.

That's fine. Just keep things the way that they are. No need for any changes.

That's not how the world works. Things will change, whether NN stays or not

How do you possibly think it does?

The core provision of NN is that I couldn't say... force Netflix to pay me more for a "highway" rather than a "dirt road".

How does stopping that impact ISP competition?

Because if you do that, you open the door for another ISP to come in and offer a better deal. It's how competition is created. NN is completely noncompetitive

But the consumers of the ISP (the ones who pay for it) are not the companies paying the "deal". Companies are forced to pay to access their market faster, but the way the internet works... they don't come to the consumer.

The consumer comes to them.

It's the people who buy internet. Regular consumers.

So, what good does another, new ISP coming in to offer a better deal offer? It won't help them access the consumers that the first ISP had, which is what they want. Consumers are not impacted, so they stay with the existing ISP.

You're just trying to fit "free market" ideals to a topic you don't even understand.

People can switch ISPs. And would if Netflix started charging ATT customers double, for example. I don't undertand your point

Btw Im not saying NN is the end of the world or that I really care if it stays or goes. Just dont bill it as promoting competition when it's clearly the opposite

Look, those are your facts, the alternative facts is that is would be great, it would be the best, the fastest Internet believe me.

They'd be much more likely to drop Netflix though.

You're not arguing theoretical stuff with me by the way. Comcast already did this to Netflix. Netflix was forced to pay them more. Nobody dropped ISPs, and Netflix was unable to specify ISPs because people had multiple points of access from different ISPs (at home comcast, at work whatever, on their phone something else).

So yeah, it's obvious you don't understand my point.

This has precedent in anti-trust/monopoly laws, similar to the preferential deals cut by railroads and unfair rates for non-partners that Standard Oil created to EXPAND their control. It doesn't lead to more competition, it leads to tighter collusion between the "transporter" and the "supplier".

Trump supporters are just as delusional as Obama supporters these days. They will buy anything what Trump does no matter how bad is it. Critical thinking is absolutely gone.
But hey, I understand that thinking is hard for Americans.

>All it does it legally stop ISPs from charging companies variable fees to access their traffic


wrong. That may be ONE of the things it does, but the reclassification is much larger than just that.

>>Literally all Net Neutrality means is that ISPs have to treat all packets the same in priority and pricing.
so you read the whole bill that was passed?

You're talking about reclassification as a public utility, right?

Completely separate issue. Net neutrality is possible without making it a utility. Reclassification obviously does more, because it's entirely different.

Jeeze, didn't realize the ISP propaganda was so well disseminated

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I think it's a dumb idea and I question if Trump has really put any thought into it. Hopefully it doesn't happen.

>I'm the only smart one, everyone else is stupid

I thought we got rid of all the fencesitters

Hm. For some reason I had thought you were promoting the public utility. I definitely misread into the whole thing. I agree with you on net neutrality, actually.

First of all, I didn't say that. Second of all, not an argument.
Here's a critical thought: You can criticize Trump when he does wrong.

Youre talking about one case never played out enough for us to know how the market would have handled it. Of course NN is in Netflix best interest. I'm not arguing against NN here. I'm pointing out the consequences: you will have the same few giant ISPs forever and they will essentially become utilities. So in a way NN is in the ISPs best interest as well

Do you think Time Warner donated all the money to Democrats so they could fuck them over? They spent millions to stop Trump from gutting NN

Plenty of Dems (and Hillary) didn't get NN, it was only after massive outcry that it was stymied last time.

ISPs would get even larger, as we've seen from similar cases (railroads and oil companies) in the industrial revolution.

>Trump gets rid of net neutrality
>Everyone moves their servers elsewhere and block American IPs from accessing them
>Americans are now forced to post on black twitter and black instagram for the low, low price of $999.99 plus tip

HAHAHAHAHA IM FUCKIN DYING

Nn is pure socialism. If you wanted things to not change you should have outlawed Netflix and YouTube. Why do people ocasionally checking the weather pay the same price as a numale watching cuck shows on Netflix?

he's not stupid, someone from the big tech companies will advise him.

Fuck if I know.

Maybe he got a loan from Comcast and Verizon as well.