Can somebody explain to me how the pipeline is by defalt an environmental hazard?
Is a leak likely or something?
Or is it a hazard without a leak?
And don't just pan it off as "libtards gonna lib" or something. I"m genuinly curious. I'm trying to understand what they are arguing here.
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a leak isn't likely, but would be naive to say it could never happen
Libtards gonna lib is the only way to explain it.
Pipelines are the safest way to transport oil by a wide margin (They refuse to believe this)
They're also under the impression that it crosses "Ancient injun grounds" when it doesn't.
using american steel will be best steel. NO LEAKS.
I leaked my pipeline on your mom
get fucking rekt, kiddo
As far as I can tell, a pipeline is a similar risk to the alternative of trains.
But it'll carry more for cheaper. And the modern, well maintained ones are much safer than older ones. And almost every modern pipeline project will eliminate a few older ones who get "rolled into" the new one.
It's not.
The answer is literally "libtards going to lib."
They'd rather all that oil be transferred by train, despite a couple of fairly recent train crashes involving trains carrying oil.
Actually they'd rather it not be transported at all, but they are mentally ill.
libs being dumb and wanting something to protest.
yes leaks are possible, and do happen, but transporting oil by pipeline is far safer and more environmentally friendly than transporting it by truck or railroad.
in my geology class they mentioned this. animal migration paths, low visibility of actual pipe, transportation of volatile chemicals. just as trucks carrying oil products must be hazard certified in certain ways, the pipeline is considered hazardous.
The protestors will sabotage some of the pipeline, assuring it leaks, and then say "SEE WE TOLD YOU SO".
They have no idea where their ancestors are buried so they just lay claim to everything
>claims to have "great respect" for Obama, Schumer, Clinton, and many dems
>says he wants to work together
>spends the first 3 days in shitting on the social issues they care about while he has Spemcer straight up lie to the press
Pic related is my 2020 prediction
I'm all for pipelines, but since i live in north BC i do fear an earthquake will turn my region into a fireball.
Leaks are possible but not likely for the first 20 years. After that, because no one ever maintains this shit properly, you can expect frequent small leaks.
The only immediate concern is the destruction caused by the construction.
It's a terror attack waiting to happen
I think in regards to the Dakota Access, the main concern was the pipeline has to cross a major river, and that a potential leak might contaminate the water for anyone/anything living downstream.
That, and it was going to pass by a residential area until NIMBYs whined enough that the company decided to move it closer to the Indian reservation.
We should be going away from oil and fossil fuels. they are very ineffiant and they are dangerous. my daddy used to work for exxon mobile and said oil leaks kill thousands of animal every year
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Were you born retarded or did something happen to you?
Fucking checked.
Fuck that chinese steel, they're fucking garbage.
It was never about the pipe itself, the enviromental issues were about trying to stop the oil being drilled in canada itself. If there is no pipeline they won't drill the oil.
The whole argument was nonsense anyway because they would just ship it by train instead.
Also it's about keeping Saudi Arabia important to the US for their oil (which was Obamas main concern), this pipeline makes America far more self reliant and fucks over the Saudi princess who threw money at the democrats.
Leaks? Compare with history of Alaskan pipeline.
How long does it take tobget someone out there to fix that?
>AZ
>UT
>red
Here's how it went down:
>Government: Hey we're gonna build a pipeline. Come join us to hash out the details
>Injuns: Fuck you, white man. Me have firewater to drink
>G: Ok
>-Builds pipeline not even touching their land
>Injuns: White man where's our cut
>G: This isn't on your lands. Fuck off. We asked you to help us plan the details and you screwed off instead
>Injuns: WHITE DEVIL BUILDING ON OUR SACRED LAND. WE WILL NOT STAND FOR IT
tl;dr: Natives are mad because they're lazy and wanted more gibs
Wish we had killed them all
It's not an environemntal hazard. It's the safest way to transport oil. The only problem is that it is a bigger risk for the people who live nearby it. So basically
>THIS HARMS MY PROPERTY VALUE SO I DON'T CARE IF IT'S THE BEST WAY TO TRANSPORT OIL
Leaks are inevitable with any pipeline.
Oh noes, that 1000 sq ft won't be the same for years.
Trains are statistically alot more hazardous that pipeline. A pipeline leak is very rare compared to a train going off the tracks. Also in the event of a leak oil will spill into nature and all you need is a muddy clean up. In the event of a train accident containing the transportation of oil it is very likely to go KABOOM. Huge fires you're literally fucked. The train conductor and several other people are dead. Just pray it didn't happen near a town or else other people are going to be dragged into it.
In summary train malfunction = huge fuck up many will die in explosions.
Pipe leak = some squirrels and trees are covered in oil
This.
I have a lib friend that lives in North Dakota, and the only subject she didn't agree with the rest of the libs on was DAPL. She knows the Sioux Tribe is full of shit. They're greedy, and they trash their own reservations.
They had plenty of chances to talk to the Army Corps, but they kept dragging their feet. It's their own fault. So they started bitching, then libs jumped on "WHITE MAN TAKING INJUN LAND AGAIN". She was rolling her eyes about the whole thing.
Lib's are going to lib.
I worked as a pipeline technician for BP-Amoco for years. High pressure international LPG pipelines.
No problems. Much safer than trains or tanker trucks.
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Can you source this?
Or at least point me in the right direction?
I'm curious.
yep
ready for my misinformed highdea?
a pipe.. WITHIN A PIPE FOR LEAKAGE
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genius right?
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Then come up with a realistic alternative.
Oh wait there is one. Nuclear. Libtards hate that too.
user I'm gonna blow your mind in just a second.
A leak isn't likely, at least through normal uses. Now, under non-normal circumstances, perhaps. What constitutes non-normal? Hmmm...I don't know, maybe something fucking like RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM that already is present or could be present with the left's oh so tolerant and progressive open borders immigration stance?
Well what if... RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM wasn't a threat, or cut down to a degree where they couldn't feasibly terrorize American infrastructure willy nilly?
Ahem...
Now you know why (pic related happened)
If you don't use a pipeline, you will have to transport the oil in trucks or on trains. Both of which are much less environmentally safe than a pipeline.
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Pipelines are far and away the safest method of transporting oil, despite what
Has said.
almost all oil pipeline accidents in the past 40 or so years have been done by idiots hitting the pipe with large construction machinery or saboteurs.
The pipes in and of themselves are very well designed, extremely sturdy, and given how much the workers on them make, put together by more-than-qualified and highly motivated crews, some of them with literally thousands of miles of pipeline under their belts.
the risk of a pipeline just up and "leaking" by itself is almost literally zero.
Unfortunately, the likely hood of a 1/64th-Cherokee casino-fund-riding libtard Trustafarian hitting with a backhoe to "show how unsafe it is" is is relatively high.
so it's give an take.
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Can they detect when an inner pipe is breached?
The Keystone pipeline might very well be a good template for Hyperloop track tunnels...
lol
Trains are pipelines?
Because it's waaaaay more environmentally friendly (profitable) to use train transportation (owned by Pocahontas' father).
Totally safer!
Train accidents? Never happens!
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so sad.
there are thousands upon thousands of miles of pipeline
and ONE place of those thousands upon thousands of miles sprung a tiny leak that immediately got cleaned up more than 85%
it is an amazing feat of engineering
Yeah fuck the chinks. I hope their country collapses soon and we can claim some Asian land for once and start taking over the globe.
I don't know, I just would like for someone to tell me why it wouldn't work. seems so simple.
>Leaks are inevitable with any pipeline.
"Where" does oil come from? Do you feel better about mother nature because it's underground and out of sight?
Is there check valves or shut offs for emergencies along the way?
>isn't likely
Well they are a series of tubes.
It's more environmentally friendly and safer than a bunch of trucks and trains
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No, trains are the other way you transport oil, and they derail pretty often.
Less likely than trucks leaking.
47 victims, 66 Buildings burned to the ground.
oh and no contribution from Trudeau's governement, since he setted up "conditions for small and medium business to pop back in Lac mégantic.
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>literally double part costs
>harder to access inner pipe to fix it
im literally shaking
wew
A lot of information here to take in.
I've read all your comments and it dounds like the left is just being retarded about this. Which sucks.
I was hoping they could be reasoned with.
its the other method of transporting lots oil over land.
this is pretty much exactly what happened. government wanted to pay them to run the pipeline, indians held out thinking they'd get more money. government decided to build around indians, and when the indians came back begging for cash, they were given the finger. suddenly there were deep environmental concerns.
pic related is all of the existing oil pipelines in the us. leftists are literally mad over nothing.
Underground, it has no capability of harming surface-dwelling organisms. Above ground, it will fuck shit up.
How many of those were significant in any way. If you came back six months later was the less than an acre still bad looking?
theres one leaking in Canada right now.
50,000 gallons, yay
proof?
Well even if a pipeline does leak wouldn't it be way easier to contain rather than if its in a fucking train wreck or on a boat. At least if the pipeline breaks you can figure out where it is and unless the pipeline is right next to a river its probably only going to hurt a few trees and plants from a leak and no notable animals.
They aren't about saving the environment. They're literally trying to stop human progress because they've been brainwashed into crippling nihilism and resentment of any and everything remotely making a profit for someone or improving lives without buying into their party agenda. You know how I know? Because they've literally performed mental gymnastics and justified destroying pipelines that then leak oil over their precious environment, which they then accuse oil companies of being responsible for to justify their party propaganda. They've done it before, there's already evidence of them attempting to do it with different pipelines in the dapl area, and they're probably going to do it to the completed dapl pipeline in the future. They don't actually give a fuck about the ecosystem deep down. They want mankind to be reduced to about 500,000,000 of that regardless of how much pain and suffering would be involved in getting us there, and when we're there, they want us to literally go back in time to living in a primitive agriculture based slave oligarchic society with a chosen few with elite access to present and future technologies that would basically elevate them to godhead in how the general public would perceive them on account of having lost access and capacity to get any use out of the technology of the past.
double the cost obviously I won't argue against, but harder to access inner pipe? why does the outer pipe have to be the same as in the inner pipe? it will never reach full volume and is only for emergency leaks, you could make it accessible
but yeah the cost is obviously the killer
It pisses off Warren Buffet, that is why it is being fought against.
After all, who will use his trains if oil goes in a pipe.
we already own it. don't tell anyone, its super secret.
The tribe didn't even give a shit until Choo Choo McBuffet dumped a bunch of cash to support opposition.
Running sub 300psi product through pipes that can withstand 2000psi? The engineers aren't idiots.
Leaks mean loss of revenue.
The possibility of a leak is a real issue, but not one that should stop a project altogether.
Others say it will increase our dependence on fossil fuels (Bernie says this). I strongly disagree. If it does increase our usage, it will be because it got cheaper, which isn't increasing our dependence. It also will save some oil by not using oil to transport more oil.
Lastly, it's not an environmental issue, but more so a Native American rights issue, which is complete crap, because the pipe gets routed around Native American reservations.
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Of course.
Not to mention a million extra sensors so you can pinpoint where the leak actually is. Just knowing there is a leak on a thousand miles of pipe that's impossible to see from outside the pipe sure would be fun to find.
Wrong
Tfw its more likely the sjws and aboriginals will fuck with the pipe line in "protest" and destroy the environment than the actual pipes busting open.
A sitting pipe vs a moving tanker.
Which one do you think is more likely to be involved in an accident?
There's no reason not to build the pipeline.
It is worth more than what it risks and is both a safer and cheaper way to transport oil from Canada to the southern US.
yeah you're right, it's a dumb idea
I'm just glad I can share my ideas here and be laughed at on the internet and not in person lol
OK user...ask yourself, what do you think caused those spills? A gas leak? Some drunk fucker being stupid? Hmmm? All probably cover stories. You should the answer if you've been lurking Sup Forums this past year. Here, I'll even point you in the right direction:
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>underground, where a leak is very costly to fix and could contaminate the groundwater
>as opposed to the surface, where it can be quickly and cheaply dealt with, with minimal damage to surroundings
Still worth it.
>quickly and cheaply dealt with, with minimal damage to surroundings
nature gives zero fucks about oil. It will kill the higher animals but within 10 years nature will gobble that oil up.
If chernobyl taught us anything it is that nature just keeps on going.
They also set up a large back-up tank for fresh water just in case a leak occurred so that they could have clean water even if a leak did occur
What point are you trying to prove exactly? That damage is quite minimal.
>oil trains are the same thing as pipelines
last I checked, pipelines don't derail and explode
Plz give sauce. I can't find a reliable source
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Yes, and? You think that is major damage?
I'm on your side, buddy.
That's fake as shit.