Why are you lot so Anti European super state

Why are you lot so Anti European super state

Apart from the jews bit it's literally what Hitler wanted

Look at this map. Imagine you ruled it. Imagine what might it could hold if you merged all the economies and the military into one nation.

Sure, we don't have it as easy as the US since we don't all speak one language and for my taste it's grown kinda out of proportions, I would draw the line behind Poland, Czech Rep., Austria and Italy since they aren't shitholes such as Serbia or Romania both socially and economically, but meh.

I know that there are major cultural differences between even the closest neigbours, such as Germany and France, but European diversity, to the contrary of other diversities, does work since we share the same western/christian principles.

Look at Italys or Germanys past. Both countries were initially split but eventually merged and generated might. That doesn't mean anyone has forgotten his heritage, people living in the south of these countries still have their cultural traits comapred to the people in the north for instance. But they all identify as Italian, German, etc.

See it as a second coming of Rome.

If only enough conservatives would see past the incompetence of current EU politicians and its flawed design and realise its potential. You can change the way it functions and throw socialists out of decision making positions. We could reform the EU, have the member states work like federal states in the US.

Yeah, the current EU is full of hippies, is a bureaucratic mess and rushed everything it did, especially when it came to accepting members whose economies work completely different from each other and impose a shared currency on them, but I still don't see why we should tear it down and get lost in literal microstatehood, where everyone works against each other while the China, India, Russia and the US keep lapping us.

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our colonies are our European super states

each european country should retain their respective culture and language

>it's literally what Hitler wanted

But it literally wasn't, he just wanted a German ethno state. Him wanting to take over Europe is just propaganda and white nationalism outside the US is a complete meme and overrides all of the individual culture because it is inherently globalist in nature.

>See it as a second coming of Rome.
"The Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this realm of England."

European superstate is great. European superstate controlled by lefty social justice vermin, is a fucking abomination.

The EU didn't want to change, or rather, those that inhabited the seats didn't want it to change, it was THEM who failed the project. If nationalists got hold of the institution, then it could work.

If immigration keeps continuing the way it is, it will cause a massive rise in the right, the left will do something stupid like try to clamp down on them, and the right will beat the ever living shit out of them, then take hold of the reins of power, and usher in a EU superstate that respects state rights, but is united in defence of it.

>Why don't you support a hypothetical EU which is based and pro-white?
I'm sure a lot of the National Socialists here would. But that is so completely removed from actual reality that it is a moot point.

Yes lets mix ourselves with greece and romania, good plan. Will definitely make the living standard here in sweden better. Why would we ever want to give up our high standard of living for the sake of creating one big dysfunctional nation?

Rome failed, because they let to many different people into the empire. It chrushed the moral and devotion of the soldiers, and let to several cases of civil war.

FUCK YOU SMELLY KRAUT !
I DON'T WANT TO BE RULED BY AUTISTIC MASS MURDERERS SHITSTAINS LIKE YOU !
IF YOU TRY TO PULL THIS SHIT WE NEED TO NUKE YOU !

You will soon no longer be european,and western europe will be muslim caliphate so this whole discussion is useless.You either bring the 4th reich or gtfo.

there is literally nothing wrong with being a greek

Not under Germany.

Bulgarian on the other hand..

>kraut

it would work if a certain someone stopped admitting millions of shitskins.

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This, piss off you euro poofters

I have contradictory thoughts about this. I don´t want to live in a super state ruled by fucking Merkel and Hollande flooding us with refugees and paying Greece´s debts. Of course Europe would be stronger if it would be unified and then we could really compete with other super powers like USA and China. But the fact is that we are too different. What in common do a Finn and a Greek have? We have no emotional or practical bonds to be in a close union.

you know you don't actually have to like hitler to post here

NO!

newmoot should do an experiment where all eu members post under eu flag
tbqh

fuck off globalist cuck

that's why I would place the borders further to the west. Borders which keep shitskins and others out while you have freedom of movement inside.

sigh, demoralized after minutes

No fuck off, you can keep all your mudshits for yourself, so as france and sweden. Why don you create a trifecta state? Gemany france and sweden could bathe in their own degenerecy and nigger jizz and no one would complain about mandatory quatas.

Think about it, France, germany and sweden. A perfect state, with similar quality of life and prices, same ideals and dreams. france even has nukes, so youre be safe on that account. No shit poor country would nag you. A PERFECT DEAL.

that what we're taught in schools but it's a fucking meme not a truth

there are hundreds of reasons why Rome failed most of them being rather economical

Why are we seen as essentially the rulers of the EU btw? How did we get that power or how did people start perceiving us as the rulers?

Is it just because it is big European and evil and that is why everyone thinks the Germans rule it?
Why aren't the rest of the founding members fucking ashamed that they gave it to us.

Like you you piece of shit frog
You were also a founding member. You were with the EU as long as we were. Longer if you consider that only half of Germany was part of the EU for a while.
And you complain that we rule over you.
You made all the deals and all the trading.
How come you are acting like the EU was something forced on you by Germany.
We didn't even invade you fuckers this time.

This pretty much for me too.
I can imagine that over time, though, European countries and their cultures will kind of grow towards each other, until a point where a true union becomes an organic next step. That might be many generations in the future, though.

BASED HANS DOES THE FASHY EU THREAD AGAIN
pls stop I can only get so hard

4th REICH WHEN???

It would work if the EU was 99.999% white. In a couple of years the turk roaches will take over your country. So start worrying about that first.

Literally this.

You are greeks.
You are essentially turkish only on the other side.

easy brudi

EU leadership was usurped by fat cats, liberals and feminists.

Impossible, the various Europe states are very different. The South and the North might as well be in different continents. I can only see smaller leagues.

>b-but muh hitler
I don't give a shit

Also see for one example

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>Why are we seen as essentially the rulers of the EU btw? How did we get that power or how did people start perceiving us as the rulers?
>Is it just because it is big European and evil and that is why everyone thinks the Germans rule it?
>Why aren't the rest of the founding members fucking ashamed that they gave it to us.

You're seen as essentially rulers, because you're the only country that really knows what the fuck it's doing. In regards to it's industrial base that is, for example you guys invested in industry with the money the yanks gave you, and you sat down with the unions.

It's only Merkel, and your ideology of 'Forgive me jewz' and 'open borders' that holds you back. It's also geographical. You're at the center of the EU, and generally at the center you have the capital and what not. So you are the 'center' of the EU so to speak.

If the Eastern states leave, france becomes the center. God fucking help us then.

>Why are we seen as essentially the rulers of the EU btw? How did we get that power or how did people start perceiving us as the rulers?
look at your fucking economy hans, the last I checked it was in the third place IN THE WORLD after USA and China.

> unelected commies spending everyone's money is what Hitler wanted

sure thing, Ahmet

>Apart from the jews bit it's literally what Hitler wanted
No, maybe Napoleon but not Hitler.

Trifecta state

Pros:

>similar gdp
>similar life quality
>similar prices
>similar dreams and ideals
>interwined cultures
>loves brown dick
>loves degeneracy
>france provides nuclear capability
>no euro shit countries that nag all the time

Cons:

>france possibly wouldnt want to learn germanic language

No I am sick of this shit.

We haven't gone full nazi yet. And they are already whining.
The frog in this thread for example doesn't realize that the only reason his Algerian bull can afford a bigger cuckshed for him is because france is profiteering from Germany's hard work.

Us becoming "green" has pumped nothing but money into france and he is against the EU?

So it essentially it comes down to that we worked for it?

Its not like the british economy is something to scoff at.
You are like the one group that has a right to complain about the EU since you are also carrying it. The rest better shut the fuck up.

I know that there is nothing wrong with greeks, but i dont want my country to merge with their country. I dont want our hard earned money to be used to pay for their economic crisis. I dont want our economy mix with theirs.

Add Benelux to this to provide much hookers and legalized weed

I support this, European federalism is insanity and it will invariably end in disaster. The EU needs to die so that every country can fix itself.

history shows the exact opposite, cultures tend to grow AWAY from each other. though this might change with spread of information and geography being less of a factor but im not sure

Nenn mich nicht Ahmet du scheiß Kellerkinderficker

I admit I was wrong with that bit

Murrifats and blyats obviously don't want another superstate. If Europe is weak and divided into irrelevant small states it's easy to deal with, not so much if it's a federation with all that entails.
As for the internal anti-eu santiments, it's the product of multitude of things ranging from history to foreign propaganda, but the most important is that the EU leadership itself is quite incompetent and it amplifies it all. Inability to deal with nigger influx, wars on it's borders, and taking any sort of decisions while having the image of spending time on debating toilet paper rolls is a good example.

lern erstmal doitsch, du kackmigrant

why did he invade france then? Why attack russia then?

>New phone
>Don't have the kraut meme
Someone post it

fuck

I don't want to be ordered around by Germans.

This?

So the unification thing goes a bit faster

>So it essentially it comes down to that we worked for it?
>Its not like the british economy is something to scoff at.
>You are like the one group that has a right to complain about the EU since you are also carrying it. The rest better shut the fuck up.

Sortof, it's like you know what you're doing. The british economy is basically London. It's wealth spreads out, London is just a banking center that's why. Traders work there of course, but in terms of manufacturing, we are like America, we pissed ours away to China or wherever. We still make some things i think.. not as good or orderly as you guys, but some.

If the EU ever turned into a white nationalist bloc, i would fight for it. If it invaded the UK, to take care of the islamic threat, i would be for it. Whites have faught each other enough. Only whites lose in a civil war. The rest of the world gains. I think German minds should govern our industry, Dutch can help.

Assuming meant for France declared war in him
Russia was the literal opposite of him ideologically and war was inevitable, so he made the first move.

Added cons:

>more degeneracy
>more brown dick
>brussels is right next door
>better border lines makes it easier to protect

No, '' the kraut behind every pro eu post''
That one

The prime minister, chancellor, president, whatever wouldn't have to be a German lel also national laws would remain mostly intact. You can keep your TV license fees and we keep ours ;-;

4TH REICH WHEN?

Listen to Mosley's speech about the EU vs the European "Superstate" he and Hitler envisioned. Neither of them wanted to destroy the culture and peoples of each individual country like the EU does, but they wanted a a strong and friendly Europe unified against Russia and Islamic hordes. And trade deals.

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lol weed xD xD

Can everything eastern of the Netherlands just be nuked?

>Luther caused his followers to chimp out when it is clear he was against them doing so
>Kaiser Wilhelm shot Ferdinand
>Hitler was Jewish and rused western powers into attacking the them
>Merkel isn't a symptom of a demoralized people and a kike ruled system

Why did Hitler invade France? Because France declared war you fucking retard.

Emu pls.
France was invaded because they declared war.
As for the russian campaign, it was nothing more than preemptive strike. The soviets didn't pile all those armies on the border while pushing diplomatically for a few more nations to join their sphere of liberation. Not to mention that bolshevism was the anti-christ for the nazis.
There would have been big war on europe regardless how things turned out. WW1 set that up decades earlier.

You are selling yourself short.
If every EU country was only half as diligent as the UK we would be doing incredibly well.
Not everyone needs to be obsessed with Work like we Germans are.

Will do, Moselys vision of a federal Europe sound exactly of what I dream of at night from how you describe it.

See

youtu.be/vrBbN0vvGLA?t=276
here he starts talking about preserving national character and not destroying it like the EU does

No dice

There's no need for any superstate, just have an organisation to facilitate trade deals (along with help standardisation of math, financial and fiscal methods for example), tourism and maybe joint military ops. No interfering with the law, no common currency.

I'd like if Yurp could form a superstate. It would be someone I could see as a true ally. Like, right now we're stuck allied to "Mad Vlad" Putin, and he can't really be called a good guy aside from his decision to ban faggot degeneracy and his stand against radical Islam. I'd love if there were some European unity that actually stood for Western values. But that's not what the EU is. The EU brings in violent towelheads and shitskins. The EU insists on the men of its member nations becoming cucks and letting the most extreme forms of feminist principles run wild until they lose all sanity, as long as those feminist principles don't interfere with the actions of the violent towelheads and shitskins, which is utterly hypocritical because the things mudslimes and darkies do are the best argument for feminism to ever exist. Seriously, even the most extreme white misogynist, the one who thinks women shouldn't vote and that a girl should be given into marriage right after her 14th birthday and I know he's reading this right now, looks at how Ahmed bin Ali bin Muhammed al-Kawad treats women and considers the sand nigger an extremist. The combination of these two traits means one of two things: either the EU is run by people that fucking stupid or at least naive that they think there's no conflict there, or a concerted attempt to damage the lifestyles of the European peoples. I THINK it's just the stupidity, because I'm almost always inclined to believe someone is ignorant rather than malicious, but either way they and their EU need to replaced with stronger leaders and a better version of the united-Europe ideal to get our support.

You make Hitler dream a joke, Hans. Multiculti bullshit, ass wide open. How dare you even ask a question why someone didn't want EU to exist?

That's a nice dream hans.

European unity is a pipe dream, forcing us together will only generate discontent. A lot of people here view Germans in a negative light, and it's mostly because of the EU. Before that no one here cared about them at all. That's one example.

Because the EU was design flawed. This doesn't mean that a unified Europe wouldn't work. I heard Sir Oswald Moseleys speech now and I'm gonna hear it again.

Why do you need a superstate which would reduce independent national sovereignty when voluntary international cooperation is already at an all-time high, at least in Europe? Just look at the types of trade deals and science funding like ITER that is being pursued collectively by many different European nations out of their own volition.

Because fuck you kraut, I don't want my people to be ruled over by foreigners ever fucking again.

Why does it have to be a "superstate"?
I prefer a loose federation like the EU is right now.
Even if it comes at the expense of Germany's power.
The EU has been working pretty well for decades and has been mutually beneficial to its members.
Anyone who argues otherwise is an idiot.
Why the need for further and further integration?
What is to gain by a common army, currency, president and (real) parliament?

>apart from the Jews and shitskins it's a perfect white utopia

>Anyone who argues otherwise is an idiot.

So German of you. Kankermoffen.

This. Our Queen is already German. I don't want a German president/Prime Minister too. Every people have a right to their homeland and a right to be ruled by themselves. I'm English and actually supported Scottish independance for that reason.

fuck off you saur kraut, the EU is run by totalitarian commy retards who wnt to destroy the White race

German domination of the EU means it has conquered without war, and signing up to the EU is signing up to the Fourth Reich. Germany is at the geographic heart of the EU. It is also at least for the next two decades likely to remain the continent’s largest economy and most populous country.
Ask the Greeks if you think I exaggerate: Germany runs Europe without firing a shot. It forces far weaker partners to stay in a currency zone that is crippling them, and uses its economic muscle to dictate immigration and other key policies.
We have learned our lessons and today we focus on destroying europe again with our influence and economic power.
What did you expect?
A friendly germany? A germany that got no influence anymore? On nothing?
Great products with the stamp "made in germany" are superior to your inferior products.
We hold europe, if germany gets destroyed it will influence all other states around the world. We won this war.
What our soldiers couldn't achieve is what our ruthless economics achieved.
Destroying germany means destroying every other state in europe immediately and others in the longer run.

Still better than Somalian.
You retarded, inbred, pale cunt.

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This: Why do you need a gigantic superstate instead of just a national cooperation and standardization board/regulatory commission in each country working together with the others in other countries? If you consolidate too much power in one body you'll end up like the US where certain geographical regions basically control all of the power and influence because of economic inequalities and eventually tear the union apart over cultural and ideological differences.

The US is fast becoming a failed model and has already deteriorated to both a third world country and a first world country in one with massive inequality and different cultures destroying any chance for an actual culture to flourish. Don't turn Europe into that.

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I don't think Sup Forums is anti a European superstate, but there are very different forms it could take and EUSSR is certainly worse than no superstate.

You can't have a state let alone a superstate where there is no criteria of what makes an actual citizen or identity, no true boarders and not definitive leadership.

I mean fuck, according to the EU what is a "European" even? Someone who happens to have been shat out on European dirt? Someone squatting in Europe currently? What is European culturally? This needs a clear definition

Why do you think the port in Rotterdam is so busy?

this eternal anglo speaks about the patience of a german

youtube.com/watch?v=9LplCcxyPo4

And it wasnt before the EU?
idiot.

Not like now.

>Look at this map. Imagine you ruled it. Imagine what might it could hold if you merged all the economies and the military into one nation.
That's where the problems start. France has a very, VERY different view of how an economy should work than Germany. The north-south divide of Europe in economc questions goes right through France and tips France into the southern half.

Now if you want to bundle military power you have to have a common foreign policy and that's also difficult. Different member states have different problems: France is always engaged in Africa, Poland and the Baltics are afraid of Russia, England is looking to its former colonies, Greece hates Turkey, Spain's enemy is Marocco. A single integrated military could help every country with its security problems quite well. It would be beneficial to them if there is one huge European army to swing its dick around. We say: ok Poland we'll help you defend your lowlands when you contribute some ships to patrol the strait of Gibraltar or shove the rapefugees back to Libya. I concur that point.

But can't we achieve this without merging it all under one command? NATO is capable of putting up defense without any political unification of NA and Europe. We just have similar goals, security-wise.

I agree that in the 21st century Europe has to work more closely together but I think we can do it without the huge loss of sovereignity over our countries.

Raus, Angela

>We could reform the EU

No, you couldn't. Even when threatened with losing the EU's second biggest contributor (UK) the EU didn't reform.

The EU is anti-nationalist. That is what it exists for. It is inherently anti White.

>Want German ethnostate
>Invade Poland
>Invade Belgium
>Invade France
>Invade Netherlands

Ya.. So German.

No telling how it would have been without the EU though. Benelux was already tight, and we could have just had an extra deal with Germany to increase free trade further, WITHOUT dead weight EU members like Greece, Ireland, Portugal and half the former Soviet block.

I'd have no problem with an european super state but neither would it work (too many different cultures that just couldn't properly live and work together in a unified state) nor would I want it to work with the way the EU functions atm.
First repair the EU, then think about an USE

reposting from an old thread