Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism...

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
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Government is not an inherent good. So why do Marxists worship it..?

Why do you keep coming? Your daily thread is a failure. Your friends have abandonned you. Everyone here despises you. You deliver your message and everyone spites on you.

Do you cry at night? Knowing that your daily thread has died and you'll have to post it again?

What is your purpose? To be mocked at? Do you enjoy it? This place will never change its mind. YOU will change first, if you haven't already.

Hello, Class cuck!
His Comrades haven't abandoned him, every day the support for these threads grow and grow.

Communism is stateless.

what if i dont wanna work

Most heavy or repetitive tasks will be taken by robots. You could work in something that personally makes you happier, if you don't want to work at all then you might be depressed or a lazy drug addict.

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Hi TRS

Shouldn't you have tag /leftypol/ or something? Btw, what happened to that /natsoc/ fella? He was funny, if a bit pathetic.

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FUCK YOU BETA COMMIE

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remember to sage and slide

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Fuck off.

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Anyone else get the feeling people hate on communism because it's cool? Like, it's cool to say "dirty commies" and "better dead than red".

Majority of people have no personal reason to hate communism.

Why do the majority of people have no reason to hate communism? What can communism do for the average person that they should be excited for?

I'm not arguing one way or the other for Communism, it just seems to me like it's cool to hate on it.

Not just be against it, but full on hatred. It's weird to me.

LEFTIST! DUMB!
COMMUNIST SCUM!

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Perhaps one reason people hate communism or at least the desire to jump on the bandwagon to hate it, is because of all the misery in the attempts to create communism. If the desire to create communism has to led to failure after failure, why would a rational person support it?

And who constantly sabotage the communist attempts?

Din cauza voastră am ajuns așa.

So others are behind your failures? What evidence do you have? Are communists in turn behind the supposed "failures" of capitalism?

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LOOK MOMMY, I READ A BOOK AND LEARNED SOME BUZZWORDS AND THAT RICH PEOPLE ARE THE CAUSE OF ALL MY PROBLEMS

LET ME TEXT TO EVERYONE ON MY IPHONE

>666

COMMIES WILL BURN

other communists

You know you can make a business with a communist viewpoint with other workers where everyone gets paid the same and nobody can stop you, right? I mean, they literally exist.

I love these communist threads. Because they show Sup Forumss true face when they rally to defend their rich jewish overlords.

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b-b-b-ut the wealth is re-distributed!!!!

>>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.


LOL SO basically Universal Basic Income... lovely.

At least in capitalism one can rise to compete against their rich jewish overlords.

no one is defending Jewish oligarchs, we are attacking a political ideology spearheaded by jews

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A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance, which in turn would enable the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which, out of economic necessity, restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution

Friendly reminder that no one likes this piece of shit even in the hispanic chan.

>"contribution to society" can be measured
>"needs" can be measured

>advanced productive technology
>material abundance
Some more of your science fiction styled communism there? There is never material abundance. Your inability to understand scarcity makes you unable to understand reality.

Of course they can.

Go ahead and elaborate on that. How specifically would you measure them?

Yes, yes, very interesting, but your ideology would fail because people want to be free and do what they want.
Exept leftist, ofc.

People would be free and do what they want, as long as it doesn't destroy the community they live in

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>but people want to be free

So they will always want to be wage slaves in bullshit jobs created to replace those taken over by automation?

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You can have a sage for free.

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So you endorse the same emigration controls as previous communist nations? You don't want that brain drain do you?

No, they would not be.
And i don't expect you to understand.
After all, you have never lived next to a communist country.

Gee, must be really hard being exposed to dissenting views. Maybe discussing something besides 'the Jews" and sucking Trump's dick offenders you?

I have this weird personality quirk where I find the idea of another 100 million people being murdered to be reprehensible. That's why I don't want communism. Call me crazy I guess.

Based on the perspectives I see here, that doesn't seem to be the sentiment. Maybe the white race is just failing against an ethnicity 1/100 their size?

You're right, I've never lived next to a Stalinist country.

In any case, I didn't make a pro-communism statement in that post. I wonder if you can understand that most of the labour force in capitalist countries do not feel particularly free, and that capitalism is facing serious challenges.

Serious challenges such as what?

An oversupply of utterly useless people (communists, for instance)

The invisible hand of capitalism is also blood stained.

Will all great Neptune's ocean wash this blood
Clean from my hand? No, this my hand will rather
The multitudinous seas incarnadine,
Making the green one red.

needs are determined and their fulfillment centrally planned by incompetent bureaucrats who rely on falsified data, there are no individual needs in communism because everyone except the elite is a drone - a human robot with a bit shorter lifespan and shittier quality of life than an individual enjoying actual freedom

for example take a peek into north korear where such a state distribution has utterly failed since the '80s and people forced to rely on private markets for procurement of their food, clothes and pretty much all other needs

>Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
>Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
>What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
>marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
>marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
>ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
>marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm
>It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.
>Resources:
>marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
>marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
>marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
>marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
>marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
Lol, loser

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Where should I begin?
My original post mentioned how automation has and will get rid of many blue collar jobs, leading the unemployed to vote in conmen.
Also the replacement of productive labour with bullshit jobs tied to asset bubbles that crash periodically.
A move to austerity economics that increasingly turns the economy into a tollbooth economy, with rentier class siphoning more and more, and so shrinking the productive economy.

As for the deeper problems, we can start with the drive to monetize the essential elements of life, whether genomes or water supply.
The fact that we're on an earth with limits that is under serious stress environmentally and constantly concerned with growing our economy.
The fact that 8 men own as much wealth as ~3.7 billion people.
The fact that the most efficient capitalist countries are proving that capitalism does not require democracy.
The fact that a "free press" on the "free market" cannot protect democracy.

Good start?

communism never works. EVER

I agree with you on that. The left seeks income equality which hurts income mobility. People keep hearing how unequal things are and how little they have and they begin to believe it. They turn against the very people that provide the means of production. Communists love to talk about seizing the means of production, never fully realizing that the means of production are the peoples incentives.

>create new ruling class
>pretend you didn't

>remember, its pig people
>not the jews
is the pig meme the JIDFs gretatest psyop?

nice buzzwords
now make an actual argumnent.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GET OFF OUR BOARD GOMMIE SCUM

POL IS A BIARD OF PEACE, AND ALL YOU WANT TO DO IS PILFER THE INDUSTRIOUS AND KILL ANYONE WHO DISAGREES

TANKIES GET OUT OR WE WILL KILL YOU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

LET THIS THREAD SLIDE

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based

>asset bubbles that crash periodically
Yes this happens. It is more like a cleansing purge returning prices to their optimal levels. This is the organic free market in constant evolution.
>The fact that we're on an earth with limits that is under serious stress environmentally and constantly concerned with growing our economy
Economic growth has nothing to do with a "stressed" planet. How do you know "stressed" the planet is? The economy can grow in many different sectors that do no impact the environment. Unless the economy was just growing in the heavy industry sector, I do not see how this is relevant.
>8 men own as much wealth as ~3.7 billion people
Understand income mobility. Yes poor people are sad and pitiful. However, you cannot erase poverty. It is the default mode of the human race. We came into this world in poverty, naked and looking for berries. Pull people above poverty by raising the standard of living.
>the fact that the most efficient capitalist countries are proving that capitalism does not require democracy.
>The fact that a "free press" on the "free market" cannot protect democracy.
What does democracy have to do with capitalism?

Good ol' commies, I hope they keep growing... I need more fags to stomp on

Hey CTR. Welcome back. Have a sage. Tell Brock that we know he is out there.