Wait, I don't get it

Wait, I don't get it.

How come the US president can just sign whatever order he wants?

What's the point of having a congress then? Do they have to approve these orders?

What kind of a weird system is that?

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>obongo supercharges the presidency for all Democrats to come
>oops seems like Republicans have it now

Executive orders are limited in the spheres they can influence, somethings cannot be bypassed or
Circumvented as obvious checks
And balances against blatant tyranny

You can veto an executive order in congress, I think. Plus veto's aren't as firm as laws passed in congress and senate. As you can see it took Trump one day to overrule Obama's orders. Laws that are tested in congress and able to pass litigation are much harder to untangle (see Obamacare).

>limited in the spheres

like what?

executive orders affect the executive, which implement laws passed by congress.

the thing is that so many laws have been passed about securing the border that have just been ignored that trump could literally sign an action to build the wall.

congress already approved the pipeline, obama stopped it.

you could say trump overstepped by stopping the individual mandate, but then you'd have to admit that border security should have happened 20 years ago.

The President has virtually unlimited power over the Executive Branch. In the past, this meant he had fairly little actual power.

But as more and more of the government's powers were delegated to bureaucratic agencies during the 20th century (mostly at the hands of Democrats), this meant that the President's power grew as well.

The president has hell of a lot of power, but if he gets out of line, the Congress can restrain them. Theoretically. In practice, of course, Congress has to be super pissed, and the President can always divide and conquer it.

Also president's orders have much weaker staying power than laws.

The president is limited to whatever is under his control as head of the executive branch.

I can't remember the case, but I think it was under Jackson. Supreme court said Natives MUST get the goods/lands promised them, and he told them "Alright. They got their ruling, let them enforce it." And proceeded to do jack shit to enforce it himself because he didn't want to enforce.

pretty much

obongo made it possible for the president to detain people without even a trial, nigga was just setting it up for dictator hillary to take over.

imperial presidency
a lot of the ppl on the right think the president should have more power than the other branches of government

that was bush

trump (titor) needed to run for office to make sure his predictions did not come true..they are, but he is trying to stop em...trump says barron is a computer because barron is tesla

Congress has the wallet. Trump needs congress to fund anything. He's got basically 2 years and then there's a chance dems take it

trump might be taking it to a whole new level

those ears

there are problems but republicans shouldn't bitch that democrat presidents have the power they expanded

youtube.com/watch?v=_NHmFn8a1NI

Just wait til ths collusion with RU


Shhhieeet

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They are orders to the different departments he overseas

Obama had a habit of. It passing legislation just sending directives on how to run their agencies

Some can be fraught in court some are just orders to take action on exsistinf law

A lot of what trump is doing is just undoing what obama did.

Many "orders" dot really have much weight and others can really have an effect like "don't enforce the fine on the Aca

It isn't passing law it's just decreeing how the federal departments act and what to do

Hell he has not done anything new these laws have existed but they never enforced them Obama Biden and Clinton voted on the border being secured in 2006.

The patriot act the ndaa and the patriot act permenent renual changed everything people believed the government could and could not do.

>yfw Trump's final executive order as president is to declare presidential executive orders unconstitutional and completely abolish them.

Checkmate Democrats.

There are enumerated powers in the Constitution; each branch has its own powers, and each is supposed to check the other.

The Founders were concerned that the executive would become too powerful and attempted to reign in the power of the executive, but it's clearly too much to expect a deliberative body to keep up with a man with a pen and a phone.

Oh, wait, you were worried now that Trump has a pen and a phone.

Sucks to have no principles, huh.

Executive orders don't have the weight of law

The chimpanzee formerly known as president turned the Executive office into a dictatorship because he assumed every president after him would be a Democrat

oops

Congress decides the laws of the nation and has the ability to impeach the president if he abuses his power

The president runs the federal government and negotiates with foreign countries.

Most of what Trump is doing is just telling federal employees to do their jobs. For example, a border wall was ALREADY FUNDED AND APPROVED during Bush's presidency. Obongo just didn't want to make it. So he just said "hey, build that fucking wall you were supposed to build already" so now they have to do it.

They do while the President is in office.

Bet your ass on that.

fascism, son. no one ever said it DIDN'T work. nazi germany employment rates were 0%!

Although Clinton had them both beat to be fair

Im pretty sure Congress could overturn them if they wanted
but a full republican congress isnt going to do that

No they don't they are orders on exsistig law

Most of what trump is sending is general directive like "don't enforce aca fines" and "stop accepting immigrants from ____countries". And "hiring freeze"

Etc it's how he tells federal agencies what to do.

It's also undoing many former obama orders

However this is the problem with passing 4000 laws a year and transferring legislative power to the executive agencies that the governments been doing for 50 years

Now there are so many laws on the books and so much power in the executive branch the presidents can basically do anything

Obama and bush both did this and so will trump

Wait what? I thought barack overtook G Washes number of Executive orders long ago?

I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court are the only ones that can do that if they deem it unconstitutional.

executive orders are basically royal decrees by another name

they get shit done without the plebs getting in the way

ah, thanks famalam I haven't brushed up on executive order laws recently

His ex orders canceling Obama ex orders is overdoing it, huh?

Wrongo Leafo.

The National Defense Authorization Act which Obama signed in 2012 gave him indefinite detention powers over American citizens without trial.

>Obama
>get some bills into congress, wait months for results while peppering executive orders throughout his presidency

>Trump
>get all executive orders out of the way right away, reverse Obamas shit and then work through congress

Only the Supreme Court can make rulings on constitutionality.

Who is the dark-haired woman in the back?

How do you know for certain he will do that, its only Day 5 and he is still signing Orders

He's already accomplished most of his agenda. There's not that much left to do.

all it was is an addon that basically says the terrorist could be in the us or us citizens
this is where the problem started

Well the great monkey king was allowed by the left controlled congress to do the same which set legal precedent. The thought that theyd lose power never occurred to them

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Imagine the United States government is a rally car.
The Executive branch is the car
The Legislative branch is the pitcrew and supplies the gas for the car and upgrades the parts.
The Judicial branch sits in the passenger seat with the map and critiques the the driver.

The President is the man you hire to drive the car. If it seems like he has a lot of power it's because the other branches gave it to him.

Might as well make it so that executive orders have some sort of limit and can only be issued with through some form or method that allows for checks and balances. Making it possible extremely difficult to use/issue for presidents that want to be backward political hacks.

Executive orders usually get thrown out by the next president. They also have to be funded by Congress. I think the Supreme Court can also block any executive order, but I'm not sure.

gray area.

obama did a lot of "presidential memoranda" and "executive actions". neither of which carry as much weight per se.

Fuck that shit. This analogy is better.

Imagine the US government as a cock and balls. The balls are the legislative as they provide the sperm. Shooting the load is the executive and the ability to gain an erection is the judicial.

The balls give legislation (ingredients for the load) but the executive can't shoot the load if the judicial prevents an erection.

lol wingnuts

he's only signed 6 so far.

That would be stupid and completely defeat the purpose of having a president.

This is why I love Sup Forums

Ya'll da smart nights..

He's just signing orders to actually enforce the fucking laws congress already passed. That's the beauty of it all, he's not overstepping shit. The wall? Legislation passed 20 years ago. The immigration order? He's just telling ICE to actually fucking do their shit. Sanctuary cities? That's a city that's literally defying federal law.

don't need a congress full of retards putting their monkey heads together and making stupid decisions like they have been for the past EIGHT YEARS we need you to stop theink3ieng and trust that there are people in this world who can transcend your stupid fucking definitions and knows what the right decision is because there are NONE of you who can do it. you are all 100% chemically fucked up lobotomized brain damaged fucking retards and I mean that in the most literal way possible.

Well son,I'll let you in on a little secret.

An actual POTUS with a set of balls is pretty much the King of the World.

You know that,right?

So when the King of the World demands shit,it happens. For too long the US has had cucked faggots with no balls running the show. It's not going to be like that anymore.

>but the executive can't shoot the load if the judicial prevents an erection.

President Andrew Jackson says you're not only gay, you're wrong too.

An executive order is the president executive parts of the law, or deciding not to.

Say for Trump he made the executive order stating that they are not going to enforce the law about tax penalty for not getting health insurance, he is ordering the government not to enforce that law.

Now say with the building of the wall, funds are already set aside for that, so a law was passed that allocated funds for building a wall. Obama ignored that so Trump is saying at this point we are going to start enforcing that law.

It's not a law but a way to specifically declined to enforce certain or all aspects of a law, or to enforce a particular part of the law.

>Executive order that says executive orders should be abolished
>Executive order abolishes itself

NO HE HAS SIGNED HUNDREDS

I HEARED IS BEING CARRIED AROUND ON A LITTER MANNED BY ILLEGAL MEXICANS AND HE IS JUST DECREEING THINGS WHILE PENCE ANS PRIEBUS CHASE HIM AROUND THE WEST WING TRYING TO WROTE DOWN WHAT HE WANTS.

This cannot stand

Making sure already established laws are enforced is actually a responsibility of the president. So signing executive orders to make sure things like immigration laws are enforced is within his sphere.

You have the internet, educate yourself on u.s. politics

So you're saying the courts can't rule an executive order is unlawful?

>mostly at the hands of Democrats
On the subject of executive orders and the EPA, who was it that established the EPA by executive order?

You might want to do a bit more research before you start spouting questionable matter.

He controls the executive branch, he ain't passing laws.

wsj.com/articles/republicans-seize-control-of-house-senate-1415102831

Republicans are in control of all three branches of the government. Trump only has to worry about Cuckservatives.

It's implied in the constitution, president enforces the constitution but that'd have to be changed by an amendment.

>getting this triggered by a low shot at the Democrats
>in 2017
Not sure you are going to like it here, mate. There isn't much good to be said for the Democrats lately.

>He's just signing orders to actually enforce the fucking laws congress already passed.
Including the ACA. Oh wai-
It only matters when you agree with the law that the President's duty to enforce applies.

How much power actually have the president? Fucking liberals always complain here in germany that Obama couldn't get anything done because of the majority of republicans in the congress which always said "nope" whenever this nigger tried to change something "for the good"

which is why on that one he just directed agencies to not enforce the mandate portion until legislation gets through congress.

Fucking japs man

Van Jones as President in 2020.

First executive order of President Van Jones: Have all white wiminz take some big black cock in accordance to the Civil Rights Act to fight racial discrimination.

There was never supposed to be another republican president.

The ACA should have never been passed in the first place. Congress even fucking admitted that when they passed it, and the Supreme Court agreed. Neither of these parties are able to influence the proceedings and execution of this law like the Executive Branch can, so it is perfectly reasonable for him to make such orders.

They have had 8 years to correct the admitted issues of the ACA, and yet nothing has been done to alleviate the burden. This stall in our governance is exactly why we have a President in the first place. If only our past President had the balls to admit his mistakes, Trump wouldn't have to make such orders in the first place.

>How come the US president can just sign whatever order he wants?
The President cannot just sign whatever orders he wants and have them have the force of law. That is limited by the discretions and delegations granted by Congress. This is quite a lot but not unlimited. Also, executive orders cannot conflict with laws and have limited scope, ie. Eos are limited in effect to the executive branch, ie. the bureaucracy. Laws passed by Congress are not similarly limited and override executive orders even if enacted after the order is signed.

"Do they have to approve these orders? "
If they want it to last longer than the administration, yes Congress can ratify an EO. For example the establishment of the EPA and the DHS were effected by an EO and subsequently ratified by Congress.

>just an addon that allows the government to target its own people as terrorist
Ya, just a small detail right?

>The ACA should have never been passed in the first place.
Thank you for proving the point that your standard of "actually enforcing" only applies to laws you agree with.

"the Supreme Court agreed [ACA should never have been passed]
Citation? I don't recall anything in Burwell or Sebilius that can even be inferred support this statement.

Well the supreme Court will always rule democrat after they murdered Scalia for a president Hillary appointee!

...oops

>legislation gets through congress
Didn't legislation for it already get through Congress? In fact, didn't the Sebilius decision include review of the individual mandate and was found constitutional?

>getting this triggered by a low shot at the Democrats
It is not reasonable or possible that I pointing out a statement which is patently false. No, I must be "triggered" because I am not dealing with the facts but only with the politics of an issue.

I guess it is safe to assume you have reviewed the facts and found similarly that the statement is untenable so you resort to attacking the poster's character as you cannot attack the poster's point?

The president is the head of the executive branch and can order them to do things so long as they don't infringe on the powers of the legislative (congress+the senate) or judicial (supreme court) branches. If they're unconstitutional, the legislative branch can oppose them.

I gotcha OP
This video will explain everything.
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What I never understood was, not why Bush such a open borders faggot, but why the Democrats pushed back on the open borders thing at the time? Was it just partisan banter? The Democrats stood more to gain than anyone, these are Democrat voters pouring in.

Yup. Now enforcing it is the executive branch job. And he chooses not to, because he was elected on a promise of removing it.

He did and so did bush, but the best part was we got Trump in to become dictator. Heil Donald J Trump.

Basically
Try explaining this to a liberal
The facial contortions of a cockroachcockroach trying to play chess against Deep Blue

Obama set a precedent so Trump can do anything

>How come the US president can just sign whatever order he wants?

Have you bothered to read any of them? Do you understand how our government works? Research these things on your own you lazy uneducated faggot.

>not your personal army

It's not supposed to work this way. Executive orders are to direct the executive branch of government (all the alphabet soup bureaucracies) into how to carry out the laws that legislation passes. It is NOT supposed to actually do things without legislative approval.

The Founding Fathers would be horrified to see that Donald Trump is doing the wall without congressional approval.

How it should work:

1. Congress introduces a bill to construct a wall, and appropriates funds for it in the budget.
2. The house passes it
3. The senate passes it
4. The President signs it into law
5. The President makes an executive order that details how the construction of the wall will be carried out, IE will it be army corps of engineers, will it be a private contract, how do they get the land that is private property along the border, etc.

Doing this all without congress, and without congress even approving funding for such a project is not right. The man needs to take a step back and realize the checks and balances in place or he needs to be impeached.

Ruling by decree is dangerous and leads to Tyranny.

This. Bush AND Obama were open border maniacs, Bush arguably even more so, they truly thought whites would be completely outvoted by now.

Nic and Titors Excellent adventure

This also explains why Barron was able to grow so tall so quickly like no boy on the entire planet has since the 50s. There were no ZOG chemicals in the food supply yet when Tesla was a child

The first four of those happened already dipshit. 20 fucking years ago.

Arrest without trial, drone strike citizens accused of terrorism, NSA spying on parliament with secret courts.
He changed all the laws that allowed all of Trumps picks to get in, they couldn't do anything.

That's what he gets for trying to setup a democratic dictatorship and failing.

Once Trump is done winning, hopefully he undoes all these post 9/11 laws and puts the power back into the Government.

There's no law on the books to build a wall.. I'm going to need citations.

You're a fucking idiot. All Trump is doing is enforcing the 2006 bill to build a wall that was passed with bipartisan support. Educate yourself retard.

Why would you go full retard.