Which Roman emperor is Trump most like?

Which Roman emperor is Trump most like?

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Nero, because they both did false flags.

Augustus. Assumes an office after his predecessor expanded the powers of that office enormously. Cements the changes and uses them to completely transform his nation for the better instead of the half-half realm his predecessor was heading for

Caesar. A great leader to unify the free world.

Julius Caesar = Donald
Augustus Caesar = Barron

Who was Cicero and Cato

Ron and Rand Paul

Nero because insane

Trump is Caligula

Clodius Pulcher. Not actually an emperor, but there is no closer match in all of Roman politics.

Trump's father served in the military and he became known for wearing soldiers clothing on campaign at a young age? Or are you just a try hard faggot trying to be edgy?

Trajan.

hadrian
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Tiberius.

Dipshitticus

Heh. The wall.

Justinian

Constantine the Great

> united an empire weaked by war
> made true christianity the state faith
> restored the empire from the brink
> ushsred in a new golden age

Too bad the empire fell apart 120 years after his death

Picture is from the mausoleum of his sister

Julian

>Fights against globalists like Julian fought the (((christians)))

This. Trump will succeed in restoring at least part of our glory.

What happens after that remains to be seen.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Never change Sup Forums

Maximinus Thrax because he's a big guy.

Philosopher King

>cicero

You mean cuckero, or kikero

THE DEFINITIVE LIST:

Cicero is Rand Paul
Trump is Caesar (obviously)
Augustus is one of Trumps sons
Mark Antony is Mike Pence
Cato is Mitch McConnell
Pompey is Paul Ryan
Ted Cruz is a rat
Atia is Ivanka Trump
Brutus is Marco Rubio
Obama is some nobody senator

bullshit Julius Caesar was the best

>lover of wisdom

you mean lord of edge
lover of white knighting

this from plebbit (fuck plebbit)

So you think stoicism is just a silly philosophy then?

Trajan -

Outsider who only broke in because of his success in his prior occupation (army), restored the success of the empire that had been degrading.

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Hadrian because of the wall

kek

Commodus?

>Implying Trump ISN'T an Emperor and represents the reestablishment of Pax Romana in America.

was it autism?

When the Picts send there people they're not sending their best.

does that mean hillary is going to hire armed thugs to assassinate him in a driveby?

How is that even a question? He's Caligula, the madman who was loved by the people and loathed by the elite.

poor boy probably wishes he had his friend's dad who takes his kids to the park to play baseball instead of wearing a bra and embarrassing signs in public.

Well yeah it's like Buddhism it really is, it's for atheists looking for discipline in their lives, but still want to hold on to their fatalistic, no afterlife, "god doesn't care" meme.

It was these fuckers that time and time again caused problems in Rome, they were edgey intellectuals. Fuck those guys, it's always Muh republic with them Marcus Aurelius killed christians because of his stioc philosophy, it's in his book

This shit is pushed by commies on Sup Forums to get workers a reason to actually try in their job because you don't get rewarded monetarily for hard work in the commie system, why should anyone try hard at all under communism? Well give them some bullshit try hard philosphy meme to encourage them to be discpilined and work hard because it's "what real men do" in all nihilism

>senators hated him

for good reason senpai

he did some pretty hilarious shit

Isn't giving people some motivation to be disciplined and work hard a good thing?

His personality is most like Pompey.

Sounds pretty good actually.

What the fuck are you on about? Christians love stoicism. So many elements of Christianity are built off of stoicism.

The very idea of the natural sin and temptation is a very stoic belief and it is one of the principle beliefs in Christianity.

>but he killed Christians

Oh boohoo, that was when it was a sand religion and you know it.

TITUS

REMOVE JUDEN

It's just jewry, none of your works matter in their nihilistic system (both communism and stoicism) you get nothing out of it, which means you're jsut a goy slave with jew overlords that convinced you it somehow matters in the end

It's not your works that save you, it's your faith. The senate worked their asses off their whole life like Hilary Clinton and all they got out of it was cuckdom, a balding head, and an assassination. But that somehow means it's all worth it because the mysterious force in the universe will make it work out in the end and you had no say in the matter anyways so it's not your fault

He was a good boy

No comparison to Trump though, he's the opposite of stoic.

Trump's not a general with loyal legions by his side. He's a civilian businessman who attended military school as a youth.

Nero

Stoicism=/= nihilism. Its morality is still based around the golden rule, which is pretty much the opposite of nihilism.

You sound like a lazy fuck. Work hard and be disciplined for your own benefit, not some strawman overlord or sky wizard.

Your natural sin that you are talking about is in reference to Maicheism and Calvinism and Lutheranism, not Catholicsm and Orthodoxy.

Stoicism was only adopted by literal heretics 3rd AD and onwards not by anyone else, and they were edgey to begin with, fucking Alexandrians, they were the worst.

Christians primarily hated Stoicism, only those who tried to fit in with the intellectuals and were not killed like the rest for it were into it, they were plebs and you know it. Christianity was never built off of stoicism, everything it teaches comes from the Old Testament and there are literally hundreds if not thousands of verses directly quoted or strongly paraphrased to prove it. Stoics rejected Paul at athens, a stronghold of Stoicism back in that day, they were no friends of the apostles, and everything Jesus taught came from scripture, who taught the apostles.

You also forget that Christianity is never a sand religion, it encourages and always has farming and gardening, Marcus Aurelius was murdering innocent Christians from one side of Rome to another, from Spain to Gaul, to Judah and on

He is Crassus.

Not an emperator but he has huge wealth and hungers for more.

>Stoicism was later regarded by the Fathers of the Church as a "pagan philosophy";[4][5] nonetheless, some of the central philosophical concepts of Stoicism were employed by the early Christian writers. Examples include the terms "logos", "virtue", "Spirit", and "conscience".[33] But the parallels go well beyond the sharing and borrowing of terminology. Both Stoicism and Christianity assert an inner freedom in the face of the external world, a belief in human kinship with Nature or God, a sense of the innate depravity—or "persistent evil"—of humankind,[33] and the futility and temporarity of worldly possessions and attachments. Both encourage Ascesis with respect to the passions and inferior emotions such as lust, and envy, so that the higher possibilities of one's humanity can be awakened and developed.

>Stoic writings such as the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius have been highly regarded by many Christians throughout the centuries. The Stoic ideal of dispassion is accepted to this day as the perfect moral state by the Eastern Orthodox Church. Saint Ambrose of Milan was known for applying Stoic philosophy to his theology.[citation needed]

Meep merp en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism

Fuck you. Pompey was second only to Alexander.

FUCK Hadrian and FUCK Titus.

I know what it is dooffus

Orthodox and Catholics derive their scriptures on natural sin from Genesis almost entirely. Not Marcus Aurelisua nd his screeching faggots, christians except certain groups outside just don't have the same views on sin

Allow me to quote one fucker about stoicism is truly about, paraphrased

>there was once this donkey (mankind) who pulled a cart (will or purpose of the rationally guiding force of the universe blah blah blah) and the donkey could never free himself from teh yoke of bondage of labor, so the more he struggles the more miserable he is (man) so it is best that the donkey stops fighint to change anything at all (literally) and just accept his bondage of slavery of great labor to just submit because taht is what real men (donkeys) do."

and they say stoicism is not nihilism. This parable is the cornerstone of the stoic way of life and thinking, it is totally opposed to Catholicism in every way, and Orthodoxy. Calvinists like this shit though and Lutherans

Christianity was always opposed to this, you have dozens of church fathers like Justin martyr and Iranaious and Ignatius, and on and on criticizing this view they wrote all this shit in nice greek to refute it talking about how devastating this was and it was opposed to the christian way of life, what God wanted from men, not stoicis

They hated the idea of a resurrection they found it the primary reason to kill Christians among others, because they thought ti gave man TOO MUCH HOPE for the future

Caesar after crossing the Rubicon.
Long live Emperor Trump and the American Empire!

Nice

>hadrian

Not bad.

In spite of his reason; he was still very superstitious. And many blamed the plague at the time on the Christians. It wasnt so much that he hated Christians. It was that he didnt want to risk ignoring an upset diety, so he spilled some blood to appease the powers that be.

Fuck Pompey he desecrated the lord's holy place

Alexander loved the Jews and believed the Scriptures

Hadrian obviously.

is that good or bad

NO that's not why he did it, he said himself he wanted them dead on behalf of what they believed, life everlasting, he thought it would destroy the Roman "ideal" way of life and give men certain zeal for livlihood that stiocs hated

It wasn't because he had to appease dirt on the ground, he hated them and he said so himself

Yes

Stoicism isn't nihilistic you bellend, they believed in an ordered universe opposed to the hedonists who believed in a chaotic one. The way to finding Stoic happiness was to disallow the exterior from effecting your inner peace and happiness and breaking the hold pleasures held over the mind. Roman Stoics still believed in the afterlife, Marcus Aurellius believed in the gods and said he could feel their presence.

Christianity itself was massively influenced by stoicism, especially early on. Christians said Seneca the Younger was "one of us" and many tried to prove he had Christian slaves that influenced his philosophy.

>Insulting Hadrian
BUILDUS WALLUS!

TITUS

Vespasian fits really well

Caligula

BARRON WILL CREATE THE AMERICAN EMPIRE

What the stoics believed about the "afterlife" wasn't much senpai and you know it, it was very atheistic, it's that you live onwards like a dead shade in the next life, not to mention Elysium was more of a meme, not common belief.

I also never said they don't believe in Gods but they called it the logos, which could make up or bedivided into many "gods" but the stoics called it the "ratioanlly guided principle of the cosmos" it's this wierd pantheistic hindu shit going on with some rational force behind it, some got more religious about it but that's what it was.

the point is that the divine cosmos mind thing didn't give a shit about you too much, more of a "jus stop complaining about your hard work and accept it because it will work out in the end somehow even though you be dying of thirst in a dusty underworld totally lobotomized

That's no life after life

The only christians that were into Seneca certainly had no approval of the bishops and priests and church fathers of early Christianity, some. I read all this stuff and they talk about how the stoic way was against their own, because they

DENY FREE WILL

WANT TO WORK FOR BAD REASONS

WORK OUT OF OBLIGATION NOT SPIRIT

ARE PANTHESISTS

ARE DISPASSIONATE

St John from the Ladder of Divine Ascent like most other famous and revered christians said himself that Stoicism is a dispassionate and heartless, and totally against Christianity because it seeks disipline for the opposite reasons a chritian does.

Yes it is nihilistic their "afterlife" is nihilistic if you know a lick of pagan beliefs about "afterlife" and they did not believe in free will whihc is nihilism

it was created to convince angry slaves to keep working because the "ratioanlly guided principle of the cosmos" wills it for totally unknown reasons but do it anyways because it will help you conquer your weak passions ect

>he thought it would destroy the Roman "ideal" way of life and give men certain zeal for livlihood that stiocs hated

He wasn't wrong. Why pray for paradise, when you can strive to build one on Earth?

The Romans didn't beg for Jupiter's mercy or aid; they earned victory by their own strength and willpower, and honored the gods by forging the greatest empire of the ancient world, unrivaled in its majesty for a thousand years.

Diocletian, for ending The Crisis of the Third Century.

Diocletian

And because he voluntarily stepped down. I have a feeling Trump is going to step down after 7 years or so.

Making paradise on earth was such a godamn atheist meme that everyone called it

Utopia

Which means "no place"

Because edgelords ruin everything, which is why God smites people, because they're edgey.

Why are you trying to shill for Roman gods on me, i'm a catholic are you serious??? Lmao Don't get me wrong Roman idols were less dengerate than the eastern ones but you have to know that it wasn't all that and free shekels

>Why pray for paradise, when you can strive to build one on Earth?
That sounds like leftist utopianism, also kinda hedonistic, because paradise is doing whatever the fuck I want. Protestants built a paradise just by work ethic alone without an utopian mindset.

He hated Christians too and was a toltalitarian
But he did hire christians to work for him and had a christian wife because they had a better work ethic and had more available waifus
more conservative

sorta sad he killed so many

Maximus Decimus Meridius

YOu need to realize that Diocletion only stopped the crises for a short while while at the same time making everyone's life much worse

he created a literal hindu tier caste system becase all teh white patrician men were running from their homes to monasteries and refused to marry and have kids for the same reasons we do today, he also created a commie tier cmnd and cntrl economy controled by edgey military men who decieded to not decorate anything anymore because they saw no benefits to it because it cost more, but any good jew knows that making art on your product is what sells it, so pottery from diocletions time looks like total shit and everyone hates it, not even archeologists want anything to do with it it's so awful..

You can thank diocletion for that he also took everyone's land by taxing it all into oblivion so no more land owners

"fixing" things

also increased military spending and created a literal police state. Gee thanks

Claudius because he was around for a long time before taking the big seat, rubbed elbows with those wielding political power but was himself in a fundamentally different profession, was severely underestimated because people thought he was a weird retard, and was at heart a populist despite a necessarily authoritarian rule.

This also fits well with Obama being Caligula, Bush Jr. being Tiberius (with Cheney being Serjanus), and Clinton being Augustus.

And if a Democrat gets the presidency after Trump they'll definitely be Nero.

do you understand why there are lots of pictures of Greeks and Romans and Babylonians (if you can find them) of them pouring water or liquid into a hole in the ground all the time?

okay this what you do, you find your father's grave and get a tube sometimes or just have a hole or whatever and dump some wine down it, and that's supposed to be a way to feed your dead dad some wine so he can drink it when goes into the underworld.

Yeah so thats how it works and that's what they thought being dead was like

And you just die, that's what happened, evil or good men still receive this fate (remember achilles from the odessey )

So if you're a work hard try hard stoic and work your ass off your whole life all you get is a dusty piece or earth to sit around in the darkness for ever and ever so you see what christians believe and you are edgey and worked for nothing so you get mad and kil them

Also Praetorian Guard = Electoral College

And Claudius built a lot of shit even though Hadrian is most famous for a wall.

Britain will be, uh... ISIS.

Hadrian, because walls

5] “Thus we two stood and held sad converse with one another, sorrowing and shedding big tears; and there came up the spirit of Achilles, son of Peleus, and those of Patroclus and of peerless Antilochus and of Aias, who in comeliness and form was the goodliest [470] of all the Danaans after the peerless son of Peleus. And the spirit of the swift-footed son of Aeacus recognized me, and weeping, spoke to me winged words: “Son of Laertes, sprung from Zeus, Odysseus of many devices, rash man, what deed yet greater than this wilt thou devise in thy heart? [475] How didst thou dare to come down to Hades, where dwell the unheeding dead, the phantoms of men outworn.’1 “‘So he spoke, and I made answer and said:‘Achilles, son of Peleus, far the mightiest of the Achaeans, I came through need of Teiresias,2 if haply [480] he would tell me some plan whereby I might reach rugged Ithaca. For not yet have I come near to the land of Achaea, nor have I as yet set foot on my own country, but am ever suffering woes; whereas than thou, Achilles, no man aforetime was more blessed nor shall ever be hereafter. For of old, when thou wast alive, we Argives honored thee even as the gods, [485] and now that thou art here, thou rulest mightily among the dead. Wherefore grieve not at all that thou art dead, Achilles.’

makes me sad

but

>muh legacy

but

>i tried

The Jews were always very blessed for the revelations that they received from God. There no nation that was more blessed for this reason

That is about the existence of free will, which early Stoics didn't believe in (as they believed in a mechanical, ordered universe), a man could be happy whether he was an emperor or a serf, the free will a man had wasn't to choose one path or another, it was to be happy, or not with the path that was chosen for them. They believed the universal order was a divine plan and that man was a part of the equation

Romans didn't give a left nut that Christianity gave people "too much hope" that sounds like some Clergyman's arsepull propaganda, especially seeing as stoicism wasn't even a philosophy most Romans followed. They hated Christians because they undermined authority, state, and culture. Their refusal to recognise the emperor as divine was antithetical to Roman society. They were essentially immigrant parasites destroying the host body (and as later history proved, they were right to fear them for this).

>Christcuck defends his neurotic kike religion

Judaism = Sadism
Christianity = Masochism
Islam = Sadomasochism

Cicero literally did nothing wrong. He was upholding the republican ideas that built Rome.

Maximus Thrax was a retard who threw Rome into peril.

Also few Romans would take these philosophies like Stoicism and Epicurianism and cynicism in it's entirety

they Chose what they wanted like a buffet, and didn't believe or apply what they didn't like. Saying Ambrose applied Stoic teachings is like Julius Caesar was a epicurian completely or mark antony was a total stoic, this was really rare.
Epicurians were anti Monarcy and Empire only republic and were athiests and yet Julius took a thing here and there, and still was religious

Ambrose probably paraprased some stoic on how important it is to keep the city in order, but that's doesn't mean you approve of stoicism.

Can't remember exaclty what mark antony left out