It's fucking annoying how leftists are now salivating over this book, saying we are coming very close to its reality. All because a spokesperson said "alternative facts", which was indeed dumb but hardly worth all this fear-mongering hype.
The book describes a socialist takeover anyway.
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I've never seen anything as Orwellian as a modern leftist society, personally. They have newspeak, thought police, the works.
>alt facts are anything like double speak
They just buy the book and never get past all the cameras.
1984 is about the left, surely that are not pretending to be this dense?
Orwell is a strange writer and dude. He wrote a couple really good anti-communist books but also was a staunch socialist.
If you read his books that are pro-socialism like Road to Wigan Pier he comes off as completely contemptible of humans as a whole, he has this subtle burning disgust for all people. He makes this plight for the working poor all the while looking down on them as lesser beings. He's quite an asshole.
The future is going to be closer to the one in Brave New World rather than the one in 1984.
It is indeed annoying and ridiculous, they vote for 1984 every chance they get.
isn't his book about the BBC in britain? the revisited one i mean
We need to hammer in the parallels before they can. Call them out on their doublethink especially. Also how the fuck is alternative facts worse than liberal ((Fact checking)) offering their alternative facts. Also wasn't that said about the FUCKING CROWD SIZE NUMBERS
WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT THE CROWD SIZE jesus christ I hate people so much
The Left realizes that 1984 is literally a warning about a theoretical far-left society right?
As in, 1984 is specifically meant to show what a full-retard leftist world would be like.
Have these idiots even read the book?
Farenheit 451 and Brave New World are better dystopic fiction anyways.
They'll end up red pilling themselves.
Thank you, I'm glad someone else felt that way about him.
So they are red pilling themselves
It is pretty annoying considering the last eight years of socialist faggotry we just went through. But you expect leftists to have any sort of intelligence or comprehension of reality?
It's like they're slightly, slightly redpilled. Kellyanne says 'alternative facts' in a fuckup and they notice, but meanwhile they've been obviously socially engineered this election from all sides and they're totally oblivious.
it sort of comes out in Homage To Catalonia too. Where he's constantly shitting on the Spanish anarchists despite actively fighting with them and calling them his comrades.
>the trouble with holding a war in Spain is that Spaniards are always late for everything, including battle
if they ever read animal farm their brain probably cannot Handel the irony
Of course they won't
They'll rally against Ingsoc principles while holding them all to be true, just like doublethink in the book
They fight fascism with fascism, and racism with racism, even where they don't exist
As they wallow in cognitive dissonance, they are beyond reason
Fahrenheit 451 is a meme.
"We" was by far the most enjoyable "big" anti-utopia
1984 is only a mediocre dystopian novel. The focus is always on this so no one discusses the others like Brave New World, The Giver, Paradise is not Enough, A Scanner Darkly, Anthem, or most importantly, Fahrenheit 451. There are more, but I haven't read all of them.
Because the way the censorship got underway in Fahrenheit's is the most accurate out of all of them when Captain Beatty describes to Montag why they got their jobs of book burning.
they will not realize it is about the left because of the sex thing, in their minds a true leftist utopia includes a 24/7 multigender orgy
Orwell did a lot of writing about seeing people work in coal mines. He was a socialist because he felt like these manual laborers contributed a lot more than most people realized and he thought that capitalists were taking advantage.
I think he would be completely at odds with modern socialists, who don't seem to care about coal miners or farmers but rather for 1) white liberal arts majors and 2)minorities. Orwell would probably like Trump's plans for American workers moreso than the Democrats globalism, but of course that is just my speculation.
everyone says this but in 1984, the proles were also controlled by pleasure such as porn, sports and the lottery. george orwell understood that pleasure was a way to control as well.
I find F451 to be the most applicable to modern society.
In terms of the way people interact. The total lack of compassion, the willful ignorance of the population, everyone is always distracted with TV or headphones. Guy's wife downing sleeping pills like candy without understanding why.
One of the moments that always gets me is when Guy is on the train and he can't fucking think because of the ads blaring in his ear. That shit happens to me all the time in public places.
That's pretty much every single socialist you'll encounter in your life
I think it's tragic honestly. Lefists don't realize that they've become to close to creating 1984 except there's rainbows and happy clowns on every street corner to remind you that everything is fine
i mean fuck they even invented millenial newspeak
>trigger
>mansplaining
>manspreading
>man-anything
>undocumented migrant
>problematic
>microaggressions
>policing
be free to list some more
I lost, it's 1984. where is my bug out bag?
Orwell was a socialist, which makes him a communist. Communism is inherently a disgusting ideology that hates Humanity and causes violence and death.
Fuck em. The retarded lefty.
1984 might appeal to the underdog do-gooder in them because of the "proles", and the proles are the self-insert for the reader.
>institutionalised racism
>cultural appropriation
>intersectional feminism
Not to mention all of the non binary genders
1984 was really pretty cool. look at this slick mf.
They're utter morons. These people represent the plebians in 1984.
No they r so brainwashed they think the book is about right wing politics. Went on a date with a liberal chick who thought this way. Liberals are so fucking retarded I want to drown them like a bunch of rocks that they are
When the left held the power they wanted to burn the constitution, now they are clinging to it for dear life.
george orwell was a tory and leftist controlled oppo
It's not just because of the trump administration admitting they provide the public "alternative facts".
But also because they put a gag order on scientists recently
You will never know the horror and death that a Clinton presidency would have brought.
the best part about it is this shit already happened with "Fake News", which lefties were all over.
In many ways, it's more Huxleyan than Orwellian, honestly.
also "safe space"
if you simplified it as "safespace" it wouldn't look out of place in that fucking book
2 + 2 = 4
Alternative fact
1+3=4
...
Plus there's the fact that books only started to become outlawed when special interest groups found them racist/sexist etc and demanded offensive pages be ripped out of them.
This is not alternative facts.
those are two different facts you idiot
The concept of 1984 has been misunderstood by normies for decades. It's really bizarre. Either people are not actually reading it or are in fact simpleminded aka fucking idiots who promote the book about an oppressed society living under surveillance.
I read it only 2 years ago for the first time and the shit about manipulating the news and the general psychology on how exactly people were kept in check was horrifying. I'd say the surveillance part was the least important stuff about it.
>Farenheit 451 and Brave New World are better dystopic fiction anyways.
Re-reading Fahrenheit right now and I have to totally agree with that. Will pick up BNW after that.
Orwell was a snitch. I'm a socialist and cannot stand his sneering tripe.
In 1984 they had telescreens, but in real life people carry a telescreen around with them aka a phone. This allows them to be tracked via gps wherever they go, their microphone and camera can be switched on at any given time too. I'd say the surveillance is a little different than 1984, but it's not any better, maybe it's worse.
>I'd say the surveillance part was the least important stuff about it
This is even said in the book, many people just don't get it
Also "We" is another good dystopian novel, written in post revolution Russia before Stalin really got going
I hate this meme. Just because there's not a camera shoved up your ass doesn't mean we're not halfway to 1984.
>Google, Facebook, etc. are collecting data about your browsing habits, and censoring political dissent while creating the "right" narratives for you to read.
>The NSA documents your texts, emails, calls, and takes pictures through your webcam/camera when you're not using them to keep tabs on what you're doing.
>"We were always at war with terrorism" except when we fund and work with them.
>If you want to go full conspiracy, what happened to Kanye might be Ministry of Love shit.
Huxley keeps people busy so they don't notice the Orwell. Make no mistake, it's here.
>not actually reading it
I think it has been and will continue to be this one.
I think people try to get the basic gist aka surveillance state so they can throw out the most basic of references to sound smart. I'm curious about the surge in book sales though, I feel they could simply look online for ham-fisted comparisons to a Trump presidency since you know that's all they care about.
The (((MSM))) was pushing """alternate facts""" the entire election. But yeah, that bimbo Conway needs to keep her big mouth shut.
So one is an alternative to the other? Alternative = alternative way of looking at the situation.
Trump will dismantle all that and save usyou sshill
This.
But it wasn't forced on anyone actually. More and more people gradually started avoiding stuff that could potentially harm them until the snowflakes were the majority. People didn't attend to classes in Universities and basically all sources of information were shut down, it wasn't just about the books. Banning this stuff was the natural next step.
It's interesting to compare this society with the Mouse Utopia experiment.
>Generally, the left wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform, and internationalism," while the right wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism."[15]
How exactly is 1984 about freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform, and internationalism moreso than about AUTHORITY, HIERARCHY (Big Brother), ORDER (total control), DUTY (go to work, stay in line), TRADITION (albeit constantly rewritten), and NATIONALISM (we were always at war with ...)?
Sure, the modern US left is not as described above, but to say 1984 has no elements of a far right government is just plain wrong.
I think we already have it:
New pseudo caste system for the rich and famous (rich kids of Instagram),
Debt servitude to keep professionals locked into their jobs and make sure their kids get trapped in the same system.
Promiscuity is subtly encouraged.
The pill popping culture that strives to fix you (sometimes you just feel blue, then the phase passes).
Disdain for the working class that ostracizes them and keeps them in their caste.
I'd say it went full swing at the dawn of the 21st century with Paris Hilton being a prominent reality star, liberals looking down on the working class, wine snob Frasier types, etc.
Though, they were a bit more subtle regarding the public opinion
bump for BNW, the fascism won't be all out jack boots and black bags. It will be social pressure and alienation.
Have you read the alternate universe "The Island" where all the technologies of BNW are used for the betterment of man?
>The book describes a socialist takeover anyway.
No, it does not. It describes totalitarianism, which has many forms.
The book doesn't describe a socialist take over, everything means the opposite in 1984, the irony of INGSOC is that it's neither socialist nor english, but global and capitalist.
Just saying, George Orwell was a socialist as well btw.
>It's fucking annoying how leftists are now salivating over this book
No it's not. It's a good thing. Big redpills in there.
Nope, Trump said he'll keep the NSA as is and has no interest in removing the PATRIOT Act, or the other laws passed just as bad under Obama.
Even if he tried to stop them, they'll just continue in secret. The power currently exists to undermine individual privacy as long as proprietary software is widely used. The only way out is a new technological revolution driven by social interests.
This. I posted attached image to social media and people ate it up.
ingsoc means= English Socialist party
>Orwell was redpilled
Animal farm and 1984 are critiques of communism.
Orwell was a socialist, there is a difference between socialism and communism. That's the whole point of Animal Farm.
No, it describes whoever I don't like!!
The true liberal redpill is Harrison Burgeron by Kurt Vonnegut. It's short enough to cater to their attention span too.
The "alternative facts" thing did exactly what it was supposed to do: it distracted from the inauguration crowd size debate.
the problem with Harrison Bergeron is that Kurt Vonnegut is so up his own ass that it's impossible to tell if the story is satirizing the left's view of equality, or the right's view of the left's view of equality
Critiques of the Soviet Union and Stalin certainly
H-how bad would it have been? Would she have gotten two terms?
It's really both. The Huxley meme is pushed around by people to show how "smart" and "well read" they are. Most people haven't read either.
That's what makes Vonnegut good.
I thought they were expressing the alternative side of a fact like revealing the rest of a half-truth?
I've got a car for sell. Has a lot of potential to last you a while.
Alternative fact: If you replace the transmission. It's a stupid terminology, sure. It's not what it's being made out to be though.
>leftists have literally implemented a ministry of truth in the UK and Germany
There's no middle ground to be seen there?
I do remember a couple of threads on some robots complaining about companies asking for social media accounts for applying in Burgerland. Not sure how true it is but can't see it being impossible at this point. Lefties and normies are okay with that and ironically they are the ones who are going to post on fagbook about 1984.
Will check it out.
>I feel they could simply look online for ham-fisted comparisons to a Trump presidency since you know that's all they care about.
Which is funny and horrifying while reading F451 because exactly that is happening in there. People are looking for summaries of summaries and judging presidents based on the looks and the way they are saying stuff without listening to what those presidents may be actually saying.
The radical left latches onto anything they think pushes their narrative. Weird they didn't buy 1984 during Obamas terms. Clueless cucks
this is actually how i felt in obamas reign.
forced mass surveying
data hording
subterfuge in the media and social media and advertisements
patriot act (restraining civilians without a court hearing) aka non constitutional
legalizing military drones within the usa
using ai(flawed just like their human programmers) to determine someones threat to the usa
he fought so hard ageanst any form of encryption or floss software
he pull money from stem fields and redirected a whole generation of possible engineers and scientists and doctors to being liberal arts majors and womens studies majors and black history majors
Because the inaugural crowd size was really a scandal. Enjoy your muslims germfag.
I think she meant sources that don't agree on the mainstream facts, hence "alternative facts".
People say the wrong thing sometimes.
Socialism and Communism are not wholly different. Orwell was certainly a primary critic of Soviet style Socialism. The Soviets were re-branded as Communists by the other socialist groups for political purposes.
They will end up inevitably redpilling themselves if they actually read the book. The parallels between the Orwellian society and leftist ideology are hard to ignore, even for a liberal.
constantly promoting the unified hive mind.
they claim unique-ness but they are all just zombies who cant critically think.
they drink the flouride
Settle down there, autismo.
Anyone has that screengrab from at least a year ago around the time all those Paris, Brussels and whatnot attacks were happening?
I remember an article with a headline saying something along the lines of "Terrorists aren't hiding within the refugees" and after that something blew up again and when was confirmed that it was done by a refugee the headline of the article was silently changed.
It's more ironic that they don't realize that they are the Orwellians and have bee for some time.
What we're actually approaching is a hulexyian distopia and it isn't the fault of any political power.
Here's a great video on the matter. youtu.be
Sadly though there seems to be no solutions to this issue.
sorry. I'm on my period
It is annoying, but it's a good thing because it might open their eyes a bit.
>if they actually read the book.
hey man, if at least one person picks up that book and reads it because of liberals acting retarded, it's fine by me.
the really funny thing is that in today's world, it actually has a lot more in common with the left than it does the right.
i'm starting to wonder if the jews are trying to wake the sheep.
>now
Fuckin top kek
Yep gotta say I've been thinking the same on Kanye
Alternative facts like
Obama heard about HRC email server through the news
or
A video was responsible for Benghazi
Bimbo? You mean the only female to run a successful presidential campaign?? I bet you wore a pink hat and got a free flight to D.C. Fucking idiot.
Conway might be a good organizer but she's not a good talking head.
Okay, first off, those traits are not accurate descriptions of the left. Secondly, you're stuck in ((they're)) political dichotomy. Just because fascism uses "authority/order" a lot to promote itself doesn't mean it's an accurate statement.
You gotta look at real-life memes the same way you look at internet memes.
And finally, 1984 is about extreme authoritarianism. The extremes of the left and the right have a lot more in common then they do to the stuff in between. The more extreme, the harder it is to tell which wing it is.
And right now, in our current political climate, the left is pushing extreme authoritarianism. Which is why people are saying "it's about the left!" here. It's not about right vs left. But we've never seen a right-group go as extreme as the most extreme left-groups. 1984 is strongly and heavily influenced by socialism and left-politicking.
I kek'd
I read it a while ago and wanted to make a thread about it, there are some quotes that are exactly like the modern left concerning books, shortening it a bit:
>You must understand, we cant have our minorities upset and stirred
>Colored people dont like little black sombrero. burn it.
>white people dont feel good about uncle toms cabin, burn it
>serenity, peace.
>funerals are unhappy and pagan? eliminate them too.
>Give them contests to win about who can remember the most words to popular songs, cram them full of non combustible data, cram them so full they feel stuffed but brilliant with information, then theyl feel their thinking. Theyl be happy, because facts of that sort dont change.