Redpill me on climate change and climate change denial Sup Forums

Redpill me on climate change and climate change denial Sup Forums

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Humans are not that important and powerful. It's a natural process.
But denying the climate change is retarded

Earth has a volatile history and nothing we've done to it is significant in the scale of how life has existed on this roiling lava-ball

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ask China what they are going to do to stop the huge impact THEY are having on the enviroment.

The west got shit under control a while back.

>make computer model based around leftist preconceptions
>gather data.
>Real world data does not fit model so it data is wrong
>throw out data that doesn't fit and cherry pick or "fix" it
>proof

They canceled the constructions on a few dozen coal power plant. They are on the right track

Yeah million years of data in single graph,"cherrypicked".

Burger do a lot of damage to brain.

>million years

Carbon dating also works that way

Africa is gonna be the biggest emissions problem if it ever starts to industrialize.

Do you know Water bodies like sea and glaciers in antarctica have high retentivity and the temperatures of 1000's of years are stored in it like a notepad file?

And they have successfully proven that cosmic rays influence the weather and temperature on earth not fart by humans.

>million years of data in a single graph
>actually believing there's no conformation bias among Global Warming and Climate Change scientists so they can increase their fundings

Climate change due to human activity is occurring. The rate at which we are warming and the rate at which we are dumping CO2 into the atmosphere will cause severe hardships on third world countries that do not have the ability to adapt, and will cause first world countries to either reduce their carbon emissions or engineer ways to adapt to the rapid changes. This will cause mass extinction of flora and fauna, and mass migration of human beings whose local atmosphere has changed to the point where human life cannot be supported anymore. For example, the crisis in Syria has been amplified due to climate change. Extreme drought in rural Syria caused many farmers to move to cities, cities that we're going through rapid political changes. The Department of Defense recognizes Climate Change as a "force multiplier", as in it will not cause a war, but will cause a greater impact of the consequences of war.

Climate change denial is either the misunderstanding of science, which can be fixed, or the outright denial of sound physical science. These people that deny the physical science are totally brainwashed. They are so deep into their beliefs that they do not realize they are shilling for one of the most powerful industries in the world.

On the bright side, the majority of Americans, and the majority of the developed world recognize climate change and its consequences. It is only a matter of time, i.e. under Trump's presidency, that we will begin to take the necessary steps to combat climate change by first moving towards renewable energy, which is already happening on a grand scale, and eventually moving away from that to nuclear energy. Trump supporters that deny climate change (there aren't as many as you think, its only the fringe group that frequents this board) will have to eat crow and finally accept what rational people have been telling them since the 80's and 90's.

I don't think that's going to be a problem

Go Fuck Yourself.

Like how your streets contain thousands of years of poo?

Ah, the high energy, well thought out answer of a brainwashed denier. You want so hard to believe what I'm saying is correct, because you know deep down that it is. But your stubbornness and and cult-like allegiance to the misguided beliefs of this board are too much for you to overcome. You are small people to the rest of us, as we are already ignoring your rhetoric and are making the necessary changes to combat climate change.

>They canceled the constructions on a few dozen coal power plant. They are on the right track


Only because they had a coal bubble. Right now they're thinking of ways to sell surplus coal generated energy to Europe. Since energy so expensive in Europe they're thinking about high-voltage, direct current (HVDC) electric power transmission. They figure they can take 30% transmission losses and still turn a profit.

youtube.com/watch?v=pRenGy0cg5s

>we are already ignoring


Muh scientific method

Climate change is a scientific issue, not a political one. The only reason it's a political one is due to the CEO's of oil and other such non-renewable energy companies pissing their diapers because they're too fucking stupid to predict the rise and act accordingly to the rise of emerging technologies. Due to this, they decided to have lobbyists fight for their position to keep muh oil and have prominent politicians say climate change isn't a thing.

Climate change is the new God of the Gaps.

>finally accept what rational people have been telling them since the 80's and 90's.

You mean like:

>The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.

>It is already too late to avoid mass starvation

>Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”

>Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half.

OOGA BOOGA BIX NOOD BUY MASS EFFECT 4 OR U A RACIS

It's a hoax to "justify" the redistribution of wealth from successful western countries to shit countries south of the equator.

Unlike politicians or politically influenced (((scientists))) I am actually a meteorologist. I am a consultant for private comapanies etc. So I have no political bias.

Without going into the vastly complicated variables that affect climate, I can tell you for certain that climate change is real. Man made global warming is not.
The benchmarks that NOAA uses are temperature anomalies. When (((they))) say "warmest on record", the record they are talking about is at the earliest 1840.
Now to get an actual snapshot of global temperature it requires thousands of recording on land and bouys in the oceans. This data is easily manipulated.

Facts:
>CO2 is a weak greenhouse gas. It's composition is only 0.004% of the atmosphere.
>Hottest year on (((record))) 2016, was also a strong El Niño year.
>Sea levels are rising at a normal rate in regards to moving out of a glacieral period.
>We are still in said glacial period.
>Climate Scientists are for the most part all Jews.

And we were on an oil bubble in 1921. Do some reading. Be less dumb.

It's a hoax

>c-c-climate change you guys, says the globalists
>but lets move people from low carbon footprint nations to high carbon footprint nations through open immigration
>and lets push globalist free trade deals that send factories from nations that regulate pollution to those that don't

such danger

much problem

It's very real and will probably kill billions but its way too late.

That is the real red pill.

Mankind is undoubtably warming the globe at a much faster rate than normal, and the even more alarming part is we should be slowly receding into an ice age, not rapidly accelerating into temperatures unprecedented in over 600 000 years.

Denialists usually fall back from each position when their arguments fail to hold up. It usually goes like this:
>Global warming/climate change isn't real
>Ok climate change is real, but its always changed
>Ok global warming is real, but humans aren't the cause of it
>Ok global warming is real and humans are the cause, but it's not that big of a deal
>Ok, global warming is real and humans are causing it, and it's pretty bad, but we can't do anything about it. Quit sticking your hands in my pocket government, there's better ways to solve this!

Never willing to admit defeat, a denialist will fight every step of the way

>global warming / climate change exists
yes

>it is a natural occurrence
yes

>humanity's contribution is significant to the extent we can change the current trends
no

>we can do anything within reason to prevent what will happen naturally
no

>global warming =/= "global warming in the media"
The media obsession with both is literally the result of a globalist ploy to obtain more control.
absolutely, and that's not what scientists are saying

climates fucking change with or without man

>We find that 66.4 percent of the abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6 percent endorsed AGW, 0.7 percent rejected AGW and 0.3 percent were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW 97.7 percent endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.

Also
>(((surveys)))
Yes goyim we can definitely trust political climate change giants like the IPCC to properly use and represent data when they survey the academic world. It's not like the global warming lobby constantly amend and edit the scientific journals, exclude and manipulate data to fit projections and are consistently inaccurate with their predictions.

Honestly it's scarier to think that 97% actually do agree, because that means that only a tiny fraction of the world's climate scientists don't accept that.

>the 4% of atmospheric CO2 that man is responsible for is what is driving global temperatures
>man has more of an effect upon global temperature than any number of natural phenomena such as the jet stream, solar, and lunar influences
>man has more of an impact on atmospheric CO2 than many animal species who produce many more times more CO2
>atmospheric CO2 levels precede temperature, despite the endless historical evidence against it
>the flawed and manipulated land data is constantly in contradiction with satellite data

Anthropogenic CO2 is a misleading con and the IPCC is a fraudulent organization. The science and data are what matters, not the consensus.

Humans are both the most advanced and most numerous (excluding insects) species on the planet. Only a complete moron would believe humans have no impart on their environment.

climate change deniers don't actually exist

it's just something the cult throws out there to demean and beat up on

plenty of people don't believe manmade impact on global climate is worth wrecking developed economies in order to attempt to curb. and nobody in the cult can provide evidence that there is anything to curb to begin with.

Sure carbon is rising, blablabla... Ice cores in the Arctic, permafrost, ocean risings! WE GONNA DIE!!!

Or not. Temperatures are not rising. More carbon is more plant food. Yes, local pollution especially air pollution in cities is a problem but it has nothing to do with climate change, which is currently being pushed as the religion of the Left in a scam to suck every penny from us with carbon emission markets and costly solar and wind energy production. All this to make Elon Musk richer so he can fool you with better CGI when going on (((Mars))). Fuck believing in this globalist hoax while your government openly poisons you.

Stay afraid!

youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9-tY1oZNw

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Key word is "models" there leaf. Do they teach you people GIGO?

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But considering that (((scientists))) already agree that we would have to not only eliminate all manmade CO2 emissions but reduce the CO2 level, what can we do without essentially destroying the world? Cucked Western societies *might* be able to make the transition, but without industrialization and mass agriculture there is no way third world countries will be able to provide for their people.

Or are there special exemptions for """equal""" but oppressed races?

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Those aren't just garbage models
They're models made by actual scientists, they're not random shit they model for fun
You can read all about that by googling CMIP5 models

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can someone redpill me on ice core samples? I see these used all the time as evidence of past temperatures, but I don't understand how knowing the temperature of arctic ice (even very accurately) at the time of its formation in the arctic circle allows you to know the temperature of the equator or London or wherever.

Is it just a guess? A guess based on what?

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Mankind is undoubtably warming the globe at a slightly faster rate than normal, and the even less alarming part is we are slowly receding into an ice age, not rapidly accelerating into temperatures unprecedented in over 600 000 years.

Climate Change enthusiasts usually fall back from each position when their arguments fail to hold up. It usually goes like this:
>Global warming/climate change is real
>Ok climate change isn't the end of mankind, but its getting worse
>Ok global warming isn't the end of mankind, but humans are the cause of it
>Ok global warming isn't the end of mankind and humans aren't the cause, but cow farts are a big deal
>Ok, global warming isn't the end of mankind and humans aren't causing it, and it's not really bad, but we can do something about it. Quit spreading environmental racism everywhere, you ignorant anti-science bigot!

Never willing to admit defeat, a Climate Change enthusiast will fight every step of the way

Wrong

>Temperatures are not rising
Literally the easiest thing to prove you wrong about, they definitely are. 2016 was the hottest year on record
>Muh el nino
Fuck off, there's an el nino every decade, so that doesn't explain why 2016 was different

>Muh plant food
Water will evaporate with rising temps and there's not a shitload of nitrogen being pumped out into the air. Without thise other building blocks, the extra co2 is useless.
>muh air is 73% nitrogen
Not the nitrogen plants can use

Coal not only emits co2 when burned but also smog, so they fo hand in hand. Get rid of coal and replace it with solar, and you have cleaner air and reduced risk of global warming, what's so fucking misleading about that you prick

>Muh triple parenthesis, so subtle
What the fuck is it with you conspiracy tards, willfully scientifically illiterate because of your 'i kno da truf' complex and boogeyman paranoia.
Kill yourself

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Good argument

Imagine all that useless Canadian and Russian land becoming not so useless anymore. Shipping through the north pole would be amazing if it remained open and more livable.

I don't get what this is trying to say =(

>Posting misleading graphs

>on record
>record is only as long as convenint

Global average temps are not the same thing as regional temps.
That's why bringing up the medieval warming period is bullshit.
Look at the ice rates right now in the arctic, record lows.
Because that ice isn't forming and holding like it usually does, it's running into the stream that feeds europe, causing an unusually cold winter.
That's when all the rednecks in europe say 'so much for global warming lel' when it's exactly the cause.
You can't compare regional weather to global average temps as a counter argument to the undeniable reality of man made global warming

"Nature does not know extinction; all it knows is transformation." -- Wernher von Braun

>data is misleading

k
>t.toronto pajeet

epin copypasta I made and keep posting in these threads because you guys can never come up with answers that aren't "hurr just google it m8 like a lot of scientists agree but never published their methodology or anything, they just agree so appeal to authority":

Prove it is:

A: happening (which I don't doubt)

B: can be directly linked to human actions like burning fossil fuels

C: post specifics, how the parts the humans are doing is actually significant. Like what percent is our fault.

D: post specifics, about just how fast "climate is changing" since "global warming" is no longer the meme term. I want real statistics like "we are getting X warmer every year and I will have to worry about it in Y years becuase Z happened and is devastating"

E: post specifics, about just why I should give two fucks if hipsters faggots have to move their shitty cities 2 miles inland while I pay for retarded infrastructure that would probably cost more

F: if all of that is all real and shit, why I would care if it's as tragic as the lefty faggots think, when they're all just destroying our countries and children's futures with mass immigration of mudslimes and taconiggers and increased socialism to support these subhumans

G: Explain how wind turbines that are complete and utter shit, cost more fossil fuels to build and transport and assemble and shit than they save over their lifetime and only work in wind, but not too much so you have to use tradition power sources anyway, how solar isn't complete shit that get ruined by dust and only works during the day, without clouds or fog or any retard with an umbrella is within 20 miles

H: Explain why we should be pouring billions of my taxpayer money into this when it is proven the private sector is many times more efficient than any government grant program or research fund. If a company makes and patents the next big innovation in energy, they will quite literally become one of the biggest companies in existence

>Doesn't understand the terminology or the significance
Can't say I'm surprised
'On record' may only refer to the last 130 years, but we still have ice core samples and other methods of analyzing the data.
There's nothing being hidden by only referencing the on record temps.
From analyzing the rest of the data, we should slowly be receding into an ice age, yet we're rapidly heading for a 2°C global average temp.
Q.E.D bitch

Look at the graph and how it changes. Check the numbers on the graph and see how they seemingly change. Look up what a shell game is perhaps.

um this is a climate change denial thread not a science thread fuck off with your facts

See graph in:
Graphs like the ones you post are deliberately disingenuous.
No citations, cherry picked samples, etc.
Worthless

The only thing you need to know about climate change is that the liberals' solution to it is 'tax people more'.

>Look at the ice rates right now...record lows

ahem, record highs
nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

Renewable cucks are like Cowboys fans when they're winning (bandwagon). They never mention the fact that Lithium is extremely limited as a resource and just how destructive batteries and producing these inefficient renewable source of energy actually are let alone bad for the environment. It's all good though guys.

If america abolish climate change protocols every american product will get a 45% climate change tax on it.

>Haha see this political cartoon that cherrypicks one scientist's opinion from the 70's about a global ice age impending that the majority of scientists didn't support and the media blew out of proportion? Take that, (((climate scientists))) :^)

When they have no real argument, they resort to ad hominems and other fallacies
I'm white western canadian btw

Hey fuck the environment and humanity guys I get to virtue signal to my friends on kikebook and parrot whatever I read off some bullshit blog likely a jew who I donate to via patreon.

Is no one else going to say holy shit about the plug?

Holee Shit!

There hasn't been a single accurate prediction on human made climate change EVER.
As a theory it has the highest failure rate in existence.
In 2009 the UN's IPCC(international panel on climate change) and multiple universities in the US and UK had their emails hacked revealing that none of their models even showed any level of man-made change without extensive tampering with the data on their part.
>look up Climategate

thanks brudda

>Redpill me on climate change and climate change denial Sup Forums
IMO we are taking the wrong argument in trying to deny anthropogenic climate change. It's happening. Anthropogenic climate change is definitely real.

I think we should be thinking about appropriate strategies for living with this climate change, because we aren't gonna stop burning fossil fuels. And the currently proposed solutions involve cutting back on energy usage, literally weakening our societies in their competition against the rest of the world. IMO we should continue using as much energy as is economically reasonable, to continue building ourselves(Westerners) up, and work to keep the 3rd world in a state of poverty and low population(stop sending fucking food), so that we 1st worlders shall inherit the Earth. if climate change goes far enough to cause a catastrophe, the societies that weren't burning fossil fuels will be the first to go extinct, because they will be poor and small in capability.

>one scientist

Ah, liberals and their memory holes.

Have you heard of this thing called the internet?

"Green house gasses" have long been completely disproved to cause any level of warming. Mostly because the ocean eats those gasses at rates many times higher than accounted for.

Additionally an increase in CO2 doesn't increase temp, instead it boosts planet growth across the world, there by boost O2 production for the rest of us.

>if you're going to post graphs, at least post ones haven't already been ripped to shreds.

My biggest question is this: how can we say that the earth is supposed to be a specific temperature at a specific time using only ~100 years worth of recorded weather patterns?

>Climate change denial is either the misunderstanding of science, which can be fixed, or the outright denial of sound physical science. These people that deny the physical science are totally brainwashed. They are so deep into their beliefs that they do not realize they are shilling for one of the most powerful industries in the world.

^this

Climate change denial is either the misunderstanding of science, which can be fixed, or the outright denial of sound physical science. These people that deny the physical science are totally brainwashed. They are so deep into their beliefs that they do not realize they are shilling for one of the most powerful industries in the world.

1. That's antarctica, not the arctic
2. Land ice =/= sea ice
What the fuck do you think is the cause of increased sea ice and decreased land ice in antarctica?
HMMMM REALLY SMASHES MY SYNAPSES

Put it this way:
Humans only emit 3% of the earth's total co2 output. But with annual emissions of that rate, the natural carbon sinks of earth can't accomodate that extra annual amount, which is why the ppm co2 levels of earth have increased from roughly 270 to over 400 in less than 2 centuries.
It's basic fucking math

And your point about windmills having more emissions from manufacturing than they negate over their lifetime is total bullshit

People from the church of man-made climate change can't self-reflect on past claims.
>it'd be damaging to the faith.

Most powerful companies at the moment are Google etc. They did quite a bit of lobbying and have way too much sway over things. Hopefully they burn.

why are temperatures always compared to an average of something like 1975-2000? is it only because that's literally all the data they have? why is that a good baseline?

>denial of science
>thinks being paid by the gov't to write a study with a predetermined conclusion is science.
>hasn't heard of Climategate.

You're the shill and you don't even know it.

So true...

They are Climate Scientologists!

Sad but true

Climate changers all feel the earth should be exactly like it was when they were four years old and they don't care what has to be done to make it happen.

theguardian.com/environment/2001/jun/10/globalwarming.climatechange

I prefer a more catholic approach similar to the inquisition.

>which is why the ppm co2 levels of earth have increased from roughly 270 to over 400 in less than 2 centuries.
How the fuck did people from 200 years ago know what the ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere was?

>And your point about windmills having more emissions from manufacturing than they negate over their lifetime is total bullshit
No, not really, if you understood fucking anything about shitty windmill manufacturing, like I do in my middle-of-nowhere location where that shit actually takes place. As an aside, taking a tour our the second largest earth-dam last summer was a real eye opener at just how shitty windmill and solar power is. What powers your fap machine when it's night time and no wind is blowing?

haha wrong. Human beings alter ecosystems in extremely dramatic ways. Consider natural landscape vs agricultural land vs modern cities. It's true (and widely cited by human-caused climate change deniers) that the Earth's climate has changed in massive ways over the planets history. In fact, the climate is always changing in one way or another. The key difference is the dramatically accelerated rate of change in the climate since the industrial revolution. There certainly is a natural change in the climate, and we accelerate and compound the effects of that natural process. Add to that the myriad other ecological catastrophes either imminent or already underway.

>Muh liberals
>Posts articles from a fucking magazine to 'prove' a scientific concensus on ice age prediction
You're the same type of retard that cries 'fake newz', but cites a bs hype article from the 70's?
Get fucked

>Redpill me on something that 97 percent of the scientific community has deemed fact, with the other 3 percent being shills for energy companies
WEW

I will say the ABO's totally fucked up Australia. That's for sure.

evaluate my comment please

Life much be so much simpler when you're a useful idiot for a death cult.

They've literally directly observed the effect of warming that co2 has on the atmosphere:
newscenter.lbl.gov/2015/02/25/co2-greenhouse-effect-increase/

Climate change is a scientific issue, not a political one. The only reason it's a political one is due to the CEO's of solar and other such renewable energy companies pissing their diapers because they're too fucking stupid to develop the rise and act accordingly to the slow rise of emerging technologies only replacing 20% of energy use. Due to this, they decided to have lobbyists fight for their position to keep muh solar and have prominent politicians say greenhouse gasses are a thing.

>dramatically accelerated
>1 degree over 200 years
>the ice age ended with 10 degrees over a decade

really makes the 3rd eye activate

>a leaf

it isn't accelerated and has spiked many many times before. The only abnormality is that we should be hitting a stadial (cold snap) and we haven't yet but also this is the longest space between super volcanic eruptions yet recorded (not been once since 60 000yrs bp). Sure humans change ecosystems but ecosystems have a comparitively miniscule affect on the climate which is why despite the existence of triassic flaura and fauna the climate changed and we got ice ages.

"Truth be told, the corporate elite have long written off all those people living hand to mouth. Trump’s pick for Labor Secretary said, unlike workers, machines are “always polite, they always upsell, they never take a vacation, they never show up late, there’s never a slip-and-fall, or an age, sex, or race discrimination case.” Massive global unemployment resulting from the automation revolution has not yet been addressed by governments. Roughly half of all jobs in the U.S. are at risk of automation and two-thirds in the developing countries. This is all coming at a time when humans are fast destroying the ecosystems underpinning the very foundation upon which human civilization has developed over thousands of years. Mass migration of climate refugees will only further destabilize governments, stoke ethnic and cultural tensions, and give rise to fascist political movements. No conspiracy is needed to exterminate the “useless eaters”, just allow mother nature to take its course and climate change will be killing billions by mid century. Those in military planning know this and periodically express their fear of what is coming, but business-as-usual rolls on."