Why did Nazis called Romans 'germanics' and wanted to appropriate their achievements? They were mediterranean race and their rightful heirs are Italians, not Germans.
At the time of Rome germanic tribes were savage barbarians as different from roman as niggers are different from white people. This is what i've noticed about modern day nazis as well: they certainly want someone like Michelangelo or Dante to belong to 'white civilization', so they just call them 'germanics among shitskins' or something like this. That goes for slavs as well. 'My people created David, but Italians are niggers' - recently said some Swede who barely belongs to any civilization at all. Is this really what required for keeping this unscientific 'nords are master race' theory going? Pathetic and childish.
Why did Nazis called Romans 'germanics' and wanted to appropriate their achievements...
c.n.
>At the time of Rome germanic tribes were savage barbarians as different from roman as niggers are different from white people.
You really believe this?
Please explain how it was possible for Germans and other more Northern Europeans to then go on and contribute so many great things to science and art.
If they were truly barbarians this never would have been possible
>Is this really what required for keeping this unscientific 'nords are master race' theory going?
Yes.
Italians are the true master race and have been consistently downplayed by all the other Europeans. I guess at the end of the day it comes down to jealousy.
As an American I can look objectively at European history and the Italians come out on top. They built Rome, the greatest Western Civilization, then they kept Europe from completely falling apart during the Dark Ages with the Church, and then they helped propel Europe in the Renaissance.
BTW for you idiots who say that the Italians of today have bad genes cause of invasions Italy still ranks the smartest European nation.
Give props where props are due
Yep. Just ask them why, even if Germanics in other civilizations were scientist n' shit, why the predominantly Nordic territories were backward shitholes in comparison. Its the reverse 'we wuz'.
Fun fact: Hitler made the same argument as that Swede in Mein Kampf.
in fact, cæsar specifically were from finnmark in northern norway and can thus be classified as an ancient finn-norwegian
also most romans during the peak of the roman empire were ancient proto-crypto norwegians, this is a very established fact. like, pay attention to how his name has an 'æ'. a very common letter in finno-norwegian languages
Nice b8 faggot, Augustus Septum was a Nord
they were Romanized. It's the same with how there can be black scientists now, because they were Americanized.
You want to compare the Justinian Codification to the great German accomplishment of the time, raping and plundering the Italian countryside? Vae Victis didn't seem to help them much, bunch of losers
Why did the Caesars have blond hair?
It took several centuries from them to start contributing with anything of relevance. Europe would still remain an impoverished barbarian shithole until the Italian Renaissance. Italians basically civilized snowniggers twice. The first time it didn't really work though.
This.
The italians have done or started most of the major changes in Europe up to the renaissance ans the exploration of the new world, too bad ww2 destryed their reputation, pretty much like the french.
>beats iceland by 1 iq point
>we wuz smort
>The term Germani, therefore, probably applied to a small group of tribes in northeastern Gaul who may or may not have spoken a Germanic language, and whose links to Germania are unclear. It appears that the Germanic tribes did not have a word to describe themselves, although the word Suebi, used by Caesar to broadly classify Germanic speakers was likely Germanic in origin.[b] They did however use the term walhaz to describe outsiders (mainly Celts, Romans and Greeks).[3] Roman authors frequently employed the term "barbarian" from the Latin derivative barbarus (inherited from the Greek barbaros which means "foreign") when describing Germanic peoples. Such a term presupposed a distinctive Roman intellectual and cultural superiority and their ethnographic treatises on the various "barbarian" tribes ascribed specific attributes of barbarism to each one so as to delineate the dichotomy between barbarism and civilization.
Because northern Italians have blonde hair. Lol.
The whole deal of Italian rulers being Nordic is complete baloney.
I have blonde hair and my family members have green and blue eyes but we all come from Spain. Nordics tend to have those traits but not everyone who has those traits is Nordic.
Subflavum/sufflavus means light brown/chestnut colored hair. Augustus isn't blonde in the color reconstruction of his statue.
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Mongols outsmart them both, it doesnt turns mongols from cultureless savages without any creative ability into the peak of human civilization.
I guess you have nothing else to say considering that Italy still beats them out?
The whole DNA contamination theory might be right, maybe if Italy was not invaded they would have an even higher IQ score. But it still beats the Nordics out so...???
The level of Italian achievements in the Arts, Science, Philosophy, Music, Food, completely outclasses the rest of Europe.
It just comes down to Jealousy I guess. And I'm not even Italian and I'll give props.
This guy and Beethoven proves how fucking stupid you are.
You think the English got control of the world by magic? That the Italians just "let" them?
Why lie?
I'm not saying they are inferior or anything, but it was Italians and Byzantine refugees who took Europe out of the Dark Ages. Without them, none of the future Germanic and British accomplishments would be possible.
Are you genuinly that retarded ,huh...?!
>PISA adjusted
This is actually pretty accurate. I think you don't get what a papal state was during this times. It literally was a brain of Spanish empire. But yeah, it is actually magic of John Dee that helped Britain to hijack the control. Italians failed to establish something powerful to compete with Rosicrucians and later with Masons, Jesuits eventually lost meme war.
>adjusted by tests
>waaaa tests
>like like...like what even...is a , test
NOT AN argument
Germanic =/= German
No one is denying their recent historical achievements have been incredible. OP is talking about Nordists who claim all great achievements from other civilizations were done by Nordic stock. Which then leads to the question: why were the places with the most Nordic stock such backwaters compared to Rome, Greece, Egypt, Persia, India, and China. Hell even south east Asian countries have left more impressive monuments during pre-history.
Not this D&C shit again
The other study done by the same guy where it isn't adjusted with meme tests shows Italy with the highest IQ, just saying: iq-research.info
Lynn isn't a very reliable source regardless. He has been found out to fabricate data.
>OP is talking about Nordists who claim all great achievements from other civilizations were done by Nordic stock.
Actually he's pretty specific about how "Nazis called Romans 'germanics' and wanted to appropriate their achievements" - which is still lacking a source and looking at Hitler's own statement here pretty fucking unlikely.
Significantly lower population density and much harsher climate
next
brits are probs the best so far desu, they didn't exactly have a good starting point like the meds have (fertile soil, meaning bigger/ more dense populations, meaning that more people could specialize in certain things like architecture or art or information spread coming in from the east (ancient mesopotamia/ egypt, persia, etc.). i feel people heavily underestimate how important shit like this was to create a lasting civilization
Neither him nor any Germanic composer of note disproves the first post you responded to, not to mention musical terminology and classical music in general is highly Italocentric. Germans are undeniably the greatest composers, but music is undeniably Italian.
You really need to leave Muttland sometime. Red hair isn't magically only Irish people. Blonde hair isn't magically only Swedish people.
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This.
Also, the piano, harpsichord, violin, viola, cello and opera are all Italian inventions.
Germanics might have better composers, but they are not the originators.
>Germans are undeniably the greatest composers, but music is undeniably Italian.
You say that like it means anything hahaha
>Germans are the best composers
>b b but they aren't as good as Italians c c cause they be music inventors and shit
Music is undeniably Italian?! What does this even fucking mean?
At least you admit environment plays a role and not everything is a pure expression of race.
>Germanics might have better composers, but they are not the originators.
>they are the best
>b b but they weren't first so they really aren't the best
This is such a stupid argument, people of Euro descent are so close genetically it doesn't really matter.
But since you insist, its a big NO the Romans were not fucking Nordic for the last fucking time.
If you want to look at things objectively the stupid title of "Master Race" is a tie between the Italians and the English.
The Italians because they practically invented civilization. Roman Empire. They managed to STILL rule Europe during the Dark Ages and basically carried Europe into the Renaissance. Italy's unique structure geographically/culturally blossomed into really awesome City-States that were fucking miles ahead of the other Euro cities at the time that were ravaged by constant war and fighting. And you also have the long list of Italian achievements that blow everything else out of the water.
The English because of the sheer influence the English Empire had and the dominance they exerted over the world, really. The fact that the international de-facto language is English, their native language, is pretty amazing.
The rest of Europe comes in at 2nd place
But really you're all special snowflakes. :)
>Nazis called Romans 'germanics'
They did believe that, it was promoted in propaganda. But Hitler only admitted privately to people like Speer and Himmler that it was bullshit
>Why did Nazis called Romans 'germanics'
Because niggers thats why
>Barbarians were savages meme that spread around the Roman Empire both post and pre (((Christian))) expansion
Barbarians were always hyper intelligent people, just because they weren't all hyper expansionists doesn't mean they weren't intelligent.
Romans were fucking degenerates who copied the most degenerate system on earth at that point; Athens.
>Romanization
wew
Let's just say both are essential to each other. Germanics contributed with the composers and Italians contributed with inventing basically everything related to it. There are some notable Italian composers as well.
>Barbarians were always hyper intelligent people, just because they weren't all hyper expansionists doesn't mean they weren't intelligent.
Yeah they just lived without sanitation and never built anything beyond log houses because they were too busy creating great works of art and philosophy.
Fuck off dumbass
Nords are autistic and very good at being jew with business.
They have had their time, and we have had very tough centuries, lately.
But we will go back, soon. They are getting cucked by arabs and niggers now, and it's only a matter of time they crumble.
>which is still lacking a source
Romans built an Empire. The Germanic tribes did not. The results speak for themselves. The Romans improved pretty much everything they came across and took it to a new galaxy.
They made Greek civilization look like child's play.
Barbarians were useless cow fucking savages.
Rome build civilization and a great empire.
hitler wasnt racis, he based what he thought of the achievements of society
checked and keked niggur
Are Nazis just white niggers?
I don't trust niggers.
Enough fighting, we are brothers
The gene pools of European regions are not the same as 2000 years ago.
i don't get the meme about italians being better because the romans had civilization first and the germans were barbarians at the time. what were the romans doing in 3000bc when ancient egypt and mesopotamia was happening? or in 800bc when the ancient greece started? were they not barbarians during that time? by that logic everyone is inferior to middle easterners because they had the very first civilizations and it spread north from there into europe.
i think if you switched the germans and italians then the germans would have had civilization first
The european civilisation began in the Balkans, first iron works, architechture, philisofy Alexander the Great n stuff
After some of these people immigrated in Italy and Roma was born
The last is Roma pushing civilisation in north
Also if you want to belive the mythology is all conected with the Balkans
enough fighting we are brother,
>your clueless
>with your argument niggers are "hyper intelligent people"
there's no such thing. stop learning history from retarded Sup Forums memes please
you autists also don't know that hitler had a huge respect for ataturk, thought highly about turks and didn't invade turkey because of that
First =/= best
It's really about cultural advancement and achievements. Roman Empire was way ahead of everything else at the time and then Italy still carried the ball during the Dark Ages all the way to the Renaissance.
It's basically because a lot of people here have a very backwards facing view because the forward one looks so bleak.
>All this butthurt
Romans were fag enablers because they sought gravitas over their own people, then starved and adopted a jewish marxist idealogy that destroyed the Empire after giving it a 120 year boost that was doomed to fail.
Barbarian lived with the land under kings and queens under highly structured societies, although people love to project the roman degeneracy onto them, they openly executed gays and pedophiles and refused to destroy their environment in the name of (((urbanization)))
Thats what your side did wrong, Romans weren't gods, stop this D & C bullshit.
Romans were Nordic.
also this
rome was a degenerate multikulti empire who destroyed lots of cultures, killed jesus, killed lots of sages and destroyed knowledge
beady eyed anglo rats are their spawn. there is no such thing as an english, they are the rape seed of local tribes by romans. no wonder they did the same ruining the world thing like romans and enabled kikes just like them
Germanic migration was low since it was cold and they couldn't farm as much. Southern areas had more food and could support a larger population. Vikings were pretty high teir just low population
The barbarians refused to to interfere too much with nature. Abos literally hunted their potential livestock to death then abused their environment into submission. Germanics, Celts, and Nords, were smarter than that.
10/10 Bait
Would bait again
>killed jesus,
That was the pharisees, and im no fan of Jesus either. Christianity in its original form was jewish bullshit. Eventually it became fiarly white, so I'm fine with it, but in the Roman Age it was literally marxism.
This, but i would give the greeks credit aswell, without the greeks, rome would have never ruled for 2000 years
longest empire to rein the earth,
>WE WUZ
How can one be so dumb?
Never a great leader was from north and had blond hair n shit
1000 years of jealousy still running strong
Romans built the world's greatest ancient empire, they were creating great works of art, philosophy etc while the Germanic tribes were digging mudhuts.
Deal with it and move on. Fucking Euros let it go already
the lion of the north tho
Roman Emperors' ethnicities:
-Augustus - Roman Italian (born at Velitrae, southeast of Rome)
-Tiberius - Roman Italian
-Caligula - Roman Italian (born at Antium)
-Claudius - Roman Italian (born at Lugdunum in Gaul)
-Nero - Roman Italian (born at Antium)
-Galba - Roman Italian
-Otho - Etruscan
-Vitellius - unknown, presumably Italian
-Vespasian - Sabine
-Titus - Sabine
-Domitian - Sabine
-Nerva - Italian or Cisalpine Gaulish (born at Narnia)
-Trajan - Umbrian Italian (family had settled in Spanish Baetica)
-Hadrian - Picenine Italian (family had settled in Spanish Baetica)
-Antoninus Pius - Gaulish (born in Latium)
-Marcus Aurelius - Gaulish and Spanish
-Commodus - Gaulish and Spanish (born in Rome)
-Pertinax - unknown (family of slave origins)
-Julianus - unknown, probably Roman Italian
-Albinus - Italian
-Pescennius Niger - Roman Italian
-Septimius Severus - Carthaginian and Celtic
-Caracalla - Carthaginian, Celtic, and Syrian
-Macrinus - Italian (family had settled in Punic Africa)
-Elagabalus - Syrian
-Severus Alexander - Syrian
-Maximinus Thrax - probably Dacian (supposedly Thracian and Sarmatian)
-The Gordiani - unknown (probably mixed Italian, African, and Asian)
-Philip the Arab - Mesopotamian or Syrian Arab
-Decius - Illyrian or Pannonian (born at Budalia near Sirmium)
-Trebonianus Gallus - Perusian Etruscan
-Aemilian - Mauretanian
-Valerian - unknown
-Gallienus - unknown
-Claudius Gothicus - Illyrian
-Aurelian - Moesian
-Tacitus and Florian - unknown, possibly Italian or Danubian
-Probus - Illyrian or Pannonian (born at Sirmium)
-Carus - probably Gaulish and Greek (born at Narbo)
-Carinus and Numerian - probably Gaulish and Greek
-Diocletian - Dalmatian Illyrian
-Maximian - probably Illyrian or Pannonian
-Carausius - Menapian Gaul
-Constantius Chlorus - Moesian or Dacian
-Galerius - Dacian
-Severus II - Danubian
-Maxentius - Danubian and Syrian
-Constantine I and his sons - Moesian or Dacian
Obligatory
Greeks, Romans, Egyptians and Mesopotamians are all part of the Mediterranean master race. Do you know why Italians and Greeks are darker than the rest of Europeans? It's not because they were raped by Arabs or anything, it's because they have more genes from the early farmers who immigrated to Europe during the Neolithic and the subsequent migration waves that followed them. Sardinians are the closest modern population to the early farmers and they're the darkest pigmented Italians in the country.
Rome was hardly "multicultural" in the modern sense, at least in its early/middle phase. They were an Empire, which by definition includes different nations/folks inside the same state, but those folks had to submit to the authority of Rome and were only allowed to keep their LOCAL customs as long as they didn't interfere with Roman interests.
It's only late in Rome that people started actually allowing themselves to be strongly influenced by foreign cults.
>T*rk insulting white people
Yes, he contribute to civilise the north Europe
that's more like a geographical correlation, pigmentation was a matter of selection for the very most, some Scandinavian EEFs were already pretty light while Yamnaya folks had little to no EEF admixture yet they were dark back in their early days
question, what counts as 'nordics', just scandinavia+iceland?
No you literally were Icarus and flew to close to the sun. Our current predicament can be traced back to your degeneracy, and Christendom.
Romans were degenerates, get over it. You got BTFO by farmers then retreated converted the Germanics to Christianity, then got BTFO again by the same people you thought were just savages.
you couldn't be so wrong
teachings of jesus was in it's original form before romans corrupted them in council of nicea. they hunted down disciples of jesus for 200 years, killed so called "pagan" sages and rewrote history
I'm interested in truth, not because it suits my agenda or petty ego
there was a tribe who got destroyed by romans and romans wrote about them as barbaric violent savages. an archaeological dig proved that this tribe was a peaceful tribe living in harmony with nature without possessing any weapons. no fucking weapons and romans said that they were violent
fucking kike tier shit
Yes, and I think Finland as well.
Saving that pic. Funny as fuck, and true
"recently said some Swede who barely belongs to any civilisation at all"
Well said, man, well said.
Vikings were never been recognised as "citizens" in any stage of European history.
And now they're a bunch of Muslim territories ruled under the Sharia law.
Awwww boo hoo. I'm interested in the truth too, the whole truth and not some sentimental nonsense.
Romans built an empire. Thats what happens when an advanced civilization comes across "savages", the savages get steamrolled and usually 9/10 integrate with the host culture.
Kind of ironic you call this kike tier shit when you're the one drawing upon sentimental emotional victimization nonsense which is what kikes do.
>be Deus Vult LARP'er
>invade Constantinople and kill Orthodoxy citizens to reinstate king
>Open up Greece and the Balkans to get TURKED for hundreds of years
>get saved by finnish invasion of Baghdad
>muh Siege of Vienna
>Scandinavian EEFs
ENF you mean? Either way, Scandinavia has more native hunter gatherer admixture than anything.
Genetic arguments are modernist nonsense, up there with fast food and porn. The only true master race is the Race of the Spirit. Let northerners argue about who hast the least melanin and how fast they can import africans, while we work on restoring the West.
slavs are more like the defenders of europe
while latins were busy killing byzantium or robbing natives, slavs killed turks and shit
also, lmaoing at this comparising of 20mill people to like 200mill peoples, and thats excluding the new worlders
>Try to steamroll Germanic savages
>Ambush you in the forest
>retreat
Kek nice domination of other tribes you got there. All Romans did was set themselves up to become the first civilization destroyed by usury, completely cuck itself in the empire stage, then lose its sense of culture after Constantine.
One little forest tribe BTFO them, and one desert (((tribe))) converted their whole empire.
Caesar and Augustus was more of a title rather than a family, Augustus was a senior emperor where as Caesar was a junior one.
>Genetics
>Modernist nonsense
Go convert to Islam for spirit you Evolean faggot.
ENF is not a real population it's just an old metacluster, EEF is an actual people, usually based on either the linear pottery folks from Germany or others with good SNP coverage
the farmers from Skoglund in Sweden while heavier on WHG were still very much EEF-like
Evola didn't throw away anthropology of the time, he just consider it secondary in the hierarchy of racial characteristics, which I agree with to some degree
Julius Caesar had black hair and pale skin.
see this minorities become kings in degenerate multikulti empires. just like ottomans and king nignog in US
sorry you're just parroting rewritten (((roman))) history. victors always rewrites history and this is a . I can't reply to your claims while they are based on obvious lies, it just doesn't make any sense